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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

endlesswaltz123 wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:
I want to see a Chaos Knight - with bat wings!

Failing that, a Knight with an assault jump pack. That ought to make the Tau players flip out...

Forgeworld 3 or 4 years ago said they intended to do a jumpack for a contemptor, which would be awesome but this idea would be even better. If it could land and do massive amounts of splash damage!

Seek ye a copy of the original Adeptus Titanicus.....

Warlord Titans with Chameloline and a Jump Pack? Suits you, sir. Ooooh. Suits you!

Sadly, I've never seen anyone actually model a Warlord with a jump pack.

There has been a bunch of new info on B&C. I collected them from several threads for easier reading

Hermanista - B&C

Knight Valiant is happening, armed with some kind of spear weapon.

I'm so excited, just need these other inferior releases out of the way ;-) lol

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Honestly, I don't know if it's an entirely new kit again or if it's built off the Castellan chassis.

That would make sense though I guess, in the same way we've seen the Armiger has a build and the sprue B, so assumedly there's a sprue A and possibly c/d etc etc.

Exciting times

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The valiant I'm sure isn't Cerastus big. It'll be the same time as the Castellan give or takr.

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There's 4 kits coming.

I'd expect Castellan and Armiger week 1, along with codex and dice

Valiant and Helliger week 2.

Unless they surprise us and do it all on day one.

Who knows, we'll see soon enough I suppose

Oh and Imperial Knight: Renegade at some similar time too.

PJ1933 - B&C Forum

Plus another £120 or so for the as yet unseen ‘big tall thin knight’ which I am reliably informed is coming along too, hopefully as part of the codex release but it has been spotted in the studio and it’s plastic not resin.

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345476-imperial-knights-incoming/page-10

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page-3


Definitely a bigger release for Knights

Many thanks for the collection and repost!

All I need now is a release window and my wallet can weep good and proper.

What's the reliability of the B&C rumour monger?

That's cool. I have plenty of Knights so just want the book to do them justice.

Ideally they hit the balance of Knight armies being viable without splashing Knights into Soup being too much.

Oddly, they just need to make the Armiger and it's alleged variants slightly better combat wise than a Dreadnought, but not quite as cost effective in a Soup list.

Serving a niche in your own Codex shouldn't mean being the best example of said niche within your faction. If that makes sense?

A lot could be fixed by pricing the weapons of the various Knight chassis more properly, as right now a lot of it is overpriced for what it does. Prime example being forced to pay 104 points for a rapid-fire battle cannon, which was certainly king of loadouts during the previous edition.

Though end of the day, rule of cool over function.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What's the reliability of the B&C rumour monger?

Hermanista is reliable. So far his info about Forgebane pre-announcement was very good/correct. He knows stuff and handles what he isn't sure about with the right carefulness. Good, helpful source.


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hermanista, on 10 Apr 2018 - 3:33 PM, said:

I'm wracking my brain of the order they were presented on the release sheet, but I think it went

Castellan
Armiger
Valiant
Helliger

So I'd expect the first two one week, the other the week after.

The valiant is silver with a spear and some plasma type gun I think. As I think I've said before I'd expect it to be the character box as well.

I don't know if it's thin/lanky or not, and it was so long ago now that I'm wracking the noggin to remember the conversation.

The release sheet did have renegade on there as well, so hopefully that means a rerelease or an update?

And I was thinking May too, what came out last May? As it's likely from a sales pov GW will want to match last year's release with another similar level one to keep the pounds ticking overT

The height of the Valiant I was told was taller than the current model and the Castellan and I was reminded a couple of weeks ago because I said I was going to order a Cerastus - don't was the instruction just wait a month, maybe 6 weeks as it would be much easier to build a plastic version of that style Knight than messing with resin legs. Now it might be a staged release over a couple of weeks it might even have a splash release in between to give wallets time to recover I have no information on that at all.

I haven't seen a release sheet all my information is from a person who claims to have seen the studio model and this year has been bang on about every major release for 40k and AoS but as always with rumours until the pictures exist it's all plus salt

http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/345475-new-knight-castellan-revealed/page-4#entry5052414

Four new Knight boxes, possibly giving us three new body types and a re-release of the Renegade box? The only way this could get better is if GW released some sculpted icon packs for the major houses and Freeblades.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
Four new Knight boxes, possibly giving us three new body types and a re-release of the Renegade box? The only way this could get better is if GW released some sculpted icon packs for the major houses and Freeblades.

Nah, the only way it could be better is if they confirmed that Heretics get to play with the new toys too.

Pics or it didnt happen?

 mrhappyface wrote:
Nah, the only way it could be better is if they confirmed that Heretics get to play with the new toys too.

As long as they open up the weapon choices for the Imperial side I'd love for Chaos to get Knight equivalents that were more than just Imperium+spikes though. Still if the new kits follow a similar sprue layout to the Armiger, producing a version with at least different armour plates should be much easier than with the current Knight.

I can live with a May release, should be receiving vacation money around then IIRC.

My wallet is crying out in pain already. I’ve been waiting to be able to run a Knight army in 8th, and hopefully the time is finally coming.

Is Renegade really getting released again?

edit: Ok found what seems to be the source of the "rumor" that pretty much confirms it I guess! This makes me happy, always wanted that game!

so is the thread dead 'til new book?

The thread will be updated as info comes in. It shouldn't be too long a wait, as May has been hinted at as being the release window for this all.

edit.

As lover of all things related to the Questor Imperialis, this thread receives my official seal of approval by the way, thanks for the work put in so far OP!

I think the contrast of Questoris fixed weapon loadouts vs a Chaos renegade knight’s ability to customize help portray the difference of these two types of knight forces; renegades as mercenaries and Knights as an organized force.

There are enough storm bolters and special weapons in the galaxy every Space Marine could have their choice of weapon and yet the great majority have bolters and it’s because there is a tactical intent in the composition of their units and force. Renegades don’t have that and they’re luck if they can get tactical cooperation. Questoris Knights should have that and absent of other types of unit restrictions fixed roles seem like the most appropriate way to achieve that.

Furthermore in the lore it’s described that Barons are largely the only scions so privileged to customize their Knight. So maybe a Baron should be an option to allow that. For that lore to mean anything it’s implicit that regular scions are relatively constrained from how they might otherwise modify their role or their Knight.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a special character or two. They should have had them in the 7th edition codex.

Got to wonder if their will be anything other than knights in the book? A chaff unit of not-imperial guard would help.

What could they include for relics and stratagems? Speculations anyone?

I wouldn't count on anything else being added to the codex aside from the new patterns, certainly no infantry or the like, as that would require the army running at least two different charts to work properly. It's easier to just take the Guard codex and run them alongside any Knights as House Militia.

As for relics, it wouldn't surprise me if they recycled a lot of the previous ones, if only in name. Ravager is already in, so we can expect at least one or two more weapon relics, an auto-repair one and a buffed Ion shield at the very least.

Stratagems.. Heavenly Host, fingers crossed!

I wonder if they'll bring in some of the named items from the Freeblade (Knight mobile game) as relics?

A 2D6 chart naming chart may be better, as Freeblade is flooded with "X of the Y" items.

I've been keeping on eye on these rumours as I've long sought a low model count army to counter building 50+ Guardsmen. If Armigers get another variant and the new Knight chassis weapons are solid, and if the Not-Lancer is true, I'll be pretty happy and commit to a small Knight Household.

Also when did you become a mod, Brook? Congrats!

At least one more small chassis knight is coming ("Helliger"), which will hopefully have either a flame weapon or some sort of weapon geared towards anti-horde duties, to complement its anti-monster / vehicle sibling. Pure speculation on my part. Biggest worry is that the new large chassis will be insanely pricey point-wise. The Castellan looks (bit busy but) boss, if the current slew of chassis are anything to go by it will probably be around 600+ points.

And thanks, gotta love stealth promotions!

 BrookM wrote:
At least one more small chassis knight is coming ("Helliger"), which will hopefully have either a flame weapon or some sort of weapon geared towards anti-horde duties, to complement its anti-monster / vehicle sibling. Pure speculation on my part. Biggest worry is that the new large chassis will be insanely pricey point-wise. The Castellan looks (bit busy but) boss, if the current slew of chassis are anything to go by it will probably be around 600+ points.

And thanks, gotta love stealth promotions!

Hopefully knights get a point drop on the weapons, as stated earlier in the thread! I don't think a knight is quite worth 500ish points. Maybe drop a fully kitted out knight closer to the 400? mark, and they'll 'worth their points'.

As to the rumors:

A spear armed knight sounds fantastic! The castellan also looks good. I can't wait to see how much firepower it can put out.

So these are due in May?

VonTed wrote:
So these are due in May?

Signs point to yes, soon followed by the announcement of the next three codexes. May be announcements at the UKGE, maybe at another event.

Heafstaag wrote:
Hopefully knights get a point drop on the weapons, as stated earlier in the thread! I don't think a knight is quite worth 500ish points. Maybe drop a fully kitted out knight closer to the 400? mark, and they'll 'worth their points'.

As to the rumors:

A spear armed knight sounds fantastic! The castellan also looks good. I can't wait to see how much firepower it can put out.

A global drop in points is something I am hoping for as well, fingers crossed. I'd be happy with just slashing some of the offenders by 50% in cost, looking at your rapid-fire battle cannon, you are sadly no longer the beast you once were.

Chances are that the Castellan will have most of its weapon cost already baked in, minus the twin multi-melta arrays and maybe whatever the shoulder mounted twin guns are supposed to be.

One of the rumours mentioned that the Valiant would also have a character option. If true and of the model is armed with both a spear and some sort of plasma weapon, I'd almost want to say Baron Roland of House Cadmus, who in the Imperial Knight novella rode to war in a similar-ish configuration.

 BrookM wrote:
At least one more small chassis knight is coming ("Helliger"), which will hopefully have either a flame weapon or some sort of weapon geared towards anti-horde duties, to complement its anti-monster / vehicle sibling. Pure speculation on my part. Biggest worry is that the new large chassis will be insanely pricey point-wise. The Castellan looks (bit busy but) boss, if the current slew of chassis are anything to go by it will probably be around 600+ points.

And thanks, gotta love stealth promotions!

Unless knights across the board are lowered quite a bit (which they should be, the chassi itself is like 320 and some weapons are a bit too costly) the castellan is going to be alot closer to 800 rather than 600 I believe. A decked out crusader is as of right now 598 points and looks hilariously outgunned next to the castellan. The castellan also has two reactors on its back which I assume means something (like a 4+ ion shield or just a regular 5+ invuln). I hope knights lose around 75-100 points across the board though and the big knights get a 2+ armour save, wouldn't complain if the ion shield worked in close combat either.

Indeed, one can hope that the Knight chassis, or their weapons will get a drastic rejig in point cost.

I'm okay with the current ion shield though, no need to also turn it into an invulnerable save when in melee, only the Lancer has that honour right now.