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Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

You mean the quote specifically naming Praetorians, Lychguard and Immortals might have been in reference to the infantry kits?

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

My theory is there'll be an option for the carapace weapon, possibly for the melee weapon but they made a point of mentioning its name in the Community post so possibly not. I think main gun options will be in other, very similar kits, in much the same way as you can buy a Knight Paladin and it only has the RFBC. Makes sense by the IK build convention that each pattern is defined by its main weapon. Just a guess though

Scarey Nerd wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

My theory is there'll be an option for the carapace weapon, possibly for the melee weapon but they made a point of mentioning its name in the Community post so possibly not. I think main gun options will be in other, very similar kits, in much the same way as you can buy a Knight Paladin and it only has the RFBC. Makes sense by the IK build convention that each pattern is defined by its main weapon. Just a guess though

makes sense, they've been called warglaive so maybe these will be mono build and later individual kit will have other options.

As someone who just got back into the hobby with some Necrons, this pleases me.

Yes, it's most likely a mono build. GW will want to sell more Knight kits to the suckers that bought the box.

tneva82 wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Assuming those rangers in this boxes are actually full ranger/Vanguard kit I COULD use those for starting mechanicum army for 30k giving reason to buy these.

You seem to post this kind of commentary every time these big boxes/start collecting sets come out.
It's the full kit, they're not cheaping out or whatever silly theory of the week you want to have about how they're going to make the box a 'bad deal' for someone.

It's 10 Skitarii there. You can't build 10 Skitarii without all 3 sprues in the box. End of story.

Do we KNOW it's full kit though? People are already theorizing there's mini knight with more options. Oh and the dark imperium box kits were full kits right eh? Just because it's same unit doesn't quarantee it's full kit and not say snap fit quick versions.

In case you haven't heard it GW has released plenty of boxed sets before with models that are monopose AND separate full sets. I'm stunned how you have managed to miss those...Hell you can BUY SUCH BOXES EVEN NOW! It's even more common for boxes with good discounts(logical enough. Cheaper version of model=more room for good discount. Who would think of that? Use cheaper models to make cheaper box with plenty of models. What a novel concept!)

Maybe take a look outside your world once in a while and check what GW actually sell once in a while? You have managed to miss tons of boxes in past years clearly.

Seeing there's not been official word to one way or other that I have seen I wait for official word before investing one euro. Sure beats trusting your word for it.

Here's the thing though.

The snapfits ALWAYS released before the full model kit.

The idea you're trying to convey here doesn't work. Mould tooling and it's Ilk is incredibly expensive thing to do. GW has absolutely zero need to make snapfits of the models in the box, why would they throw away money making snapfit versions of old models that barely sell anyway (necrons).

Oh also the images in the leak show the instruction manual that clearly shows that the immortals can be assembled as Deathmarks, in addition to this, that page is immediately opposite the final assembly page of the Armiger and the Armiger sprues are clearly visible (you can see part of its leg assembly).

Khenir wrote:
The snapfits ALWAYS released before the full model kit.

The idea you're trying to convey here doesn't work. Mould tooling and it's Ilk is incredibly expensive thing to do. GW has absolutely zero need to make snapfits of the models in the box, why would they throw away money making snapfit versions of old models that barely sell anyway (necrons).

Oh also the images in the leak show the instruction manual that clearly shows that the immortals can be assembled as Deathmarks, in addition to this, that page is immediately opposite the final assembly page of the Armiger and the Armiger sprues are clearly visible (you can see part of its leg assembly).

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Etb-Primaris-Redemptor-Dreadnought-2017

You were saying?

Now while odds were good and now confirmed only fool would claim there's 0% chance it's not simplified kit. GW has had history of doing non-full kits on boxed sets, non-full kits have appeared after full kit and top of that GW has been doing stuff never done before anyway. Like this whole box in the first place. If you would go route of "GW has never done that so never will" this whole box wouldn't be coming as this is literally first box set they have made that DOESN'T include marines.

That's why only fool would commit money before being sure box actually has anything of use. If the box would have had no vanquards there would be literally zero use for any models for me. Short of trying to sell them to cut losses I would have no other sensible option but to throw them to garbage. That's why only sensible solution was to wait for official word before commiting money. I'm not rich enough I can throw hundreds of euro's to garbage just for fun of it.

tneva82 wrote:

That's why only fool would commit money before being sure box actually has anything of use. If the box would have had no vanquards there would be literally zero use for any models for me. Short of trying to sell them to cut losses I would have no other sensible option but to throw them to garbage. That's why only sensible solution was to wait for official word before commiting money. I'm not rich enough I can throw hundreds of euro's to garbage just for fun of it.

The hatred for GW is so strong that people paranoid about GW went out of their way making new mold just to spite them. You mad customer?

I'm sorry but GW love money and they don't care about your feeling.

GoatboyBeta wrote:
.. shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Yah, I was going to post something like this yesterday too. It’s Wierd that they don’t put house Taranis knights up with Mars. I’ve got Taranis knights and a Mars force, so it kinda grinds my gears every time..

Messiah wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:
.. shouldn't house Raven be fighting alongside Metallica not Mars?

Yah, I was going to post something like this yesterday too. It’s Wierd that they don’t put house Taranis knights up with Mars. I’ve got Taranis knights and a Mars force, so it kinda grinds my gears every time..

I think it's simply a matter of their house armies.

In an effort to get the thread onto something new, had anyone noticed that the box contents on the back of the leaked picture show 2 Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives but only 1 Imperial Knights Armigers decal sheet?

I can't see a reason why they would include just one sheet for two models unless there's enough stuff on one sheet or if the plan would eventually be to sell these in a box of two.

Thoughts?

While I'm highly doubtful that the Armiger in the new box is simplified or push fit, I can totally see GW having a separate weapons sprue that isn't included in the new box and that will be released later on when the Armiger is released as a standalone model. As others have mentioned in the thread, GW did pretty much this with the existing Knight kit, were they added in a sprue to enable you to build the new variants.

Having just one main gun option seems wrong, why would GW make a new large model that had only one gun? I'd expect to see at least one more main gun when the codex drops.

I really hope the Forgebane Booklet will include a good part of fluff. I want to know if the Imperium really get a chance to push back the warp storms for real...

 NobledukeofGork wrote:
In an effort to get the thread onto something new, had anyone noticed that the box contents on the back of the leaked picture show 2 Imperial Knight Armiger Warglaives but only 1 Imperial Knights Armigers decal sheet?

I can't see a reason why they would include just one sheet for two models unless there's enough stuff on one sheet or if the plan would eventually be to sell these in a box of two.

Thoughts?

My thought is that the decal sheet has enough decals for two Knight Armigers on one sheet. I don't think you can draw any further conclusion than that. After all, the A4 sheet for the Imperial Knight has enough decals for more than one Knight (albeit only one Knight of any given House), as do the decal sheets for most vehicle kits.

As for the issue of the base size, I was going by the ratio of base height to diameter in the photo of the Armiger on its own; I wouldn't use the box contents shot to scale anything, as those are usually photoshopped from multiple photos.

I'm really interested in the unboxing reviews that will eventually be released for this.

Loving the idea of the Knights, but, i want to fully reserve judgement until i know more about them.

 HorticulusDK wrote:
I really hope the Forgebane Booklet will include a good part of fluff. I want to know if the Imperium really get a chance to push back the warp storms for real...

From what they've said it seems like the battle is being fought over control of blackstone which nullifies or amplifies the powers of Chaos.

That being said however, neither the Admech or the Necrons are friends of Chaos so the implications of who controls it are interesting. If the Necrons want the blackstone they must have plans for it

dapperbandit wrote:

 HorticulusDK wrote:
I really hope the Forgebane Booklet will include a good part of fluff. I want to know if the Imperium really get a chance to push back the warp storms for real...

From what they've said it seems like the battle is being fought over control of blackstone which nullifies or amplifies the powers of Chaos.

That being said however, neither the Admech or the Necrons are friends of Chaos so the implications of who controls it are interesting. If the Necrons want the blackstone they must have plans for it

Blackstone must be the material the Cadian Pylons are made of, that Cawl was investigating in the first Gathering Storm book. Ergo, it's a Necron invention that the AdMech have or are trying to take that has irked the Necrons. That's my theory anyway, but that being said they've mentioned that it can also amplify the power of the warp like a BLACKSTONE Fortress, which are an Eldar invention (well, Vaul).

Maybe its some sort of rare mineral that either amplifies or nullifies the power of the warp, depending how its used?
Or maybe the blackstone fortress is made out of an anti-warp material so it does tear itself apart from its own weapons?

Just to go back to the armiger. GW has made sets with single weapon dreadnaughts and made it so that they are not compatable with boxed set dreadnaughts weapons without some fidgeting.

Scarey Nerd wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

My theory is there'll be an option for the carapace weapon, possibly for the melee weapon but they made a point of mentioning its name in the Community post so possibly not. I think main gun options will be in other, very similar kits, in much the same way as you can buy a Knight Paladin and it only has the RFBC. Makes sense by the IK build convention that each pattern is defined by its main weapon. Just a guess though

Knight Paladin/Errant is the original Knight kit. It builds the Rapid Fire Battle Cannon or Thermal Cannon and the Reaper Chainblade. It also only builds the Heavy Stubber for the 'shoulder' mount. It has no carapace weapon option--that came with the Knight Warden kit.

From the sprue setup we've seen for the Knight Armiger:

It's 4 sprues per Armiger.
3 sprues for the body, legs, and arms.
1 sprue has the shoulderpads(which are molded specifically with AdMech detail it seems), chaincleaver, and the Thermal Lance.

The sprue that has the torso parts also has the two separate carapace options; a Heavy Phosphor Blaster or a Melta Gun.


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 Looky Likey wrote:
While I'm highly doubtful that the Armiger in the new box is simplified or push fit, I can totally see GW having a separate weapons sprue that isn't included in the new box and that will be released later on when the Armiger is released as a standalone model. As others have mentioned in the thread, GW did pretty much this with the existing Knight kit, were they added in a sprue to enable you to build the new variants.

Having just one main gun option seems wrong, why would GW make a new large model that had only one gun? I'd expect to see at least one more main gun when the codex drops.

I'd expect to see a different main gun and melee weapon based upon the sprue setups, but with the patterns being fairly rigid as to what they had in them.

I'm expecting/speculating at this point that the reason why is to make it so that they can potentially keep costs down on the individual kits and/or so they can on their end see what kind of options people would be most interested in.
If the Armiger with its Thermal Lance and Reaper Chaincleaver sells well but the Doohickey with the Brrrrt Cannon and Pokeystick of JUSTICE! doesn't sell well--they might see it as worth their time to change the production numbers/priority for the Doohickey downwards while the Armiger goes upwards.

 Kanluwen wrote:


I'm expecting/speculating at this point that the reason why is to make it so that they can potentially keep costs down on the individual kits and/or so they can on their end see what kind of options people would be most interested in.
If the Armiger with its Thermal Lance and Reaper Chaincleaver sells well but the Doohickey with the Brrrrt Cannon and Pokeystick of JUSTICE! doesn't sell well--they might see it as worth their time to change the production numbers/priority for the Doohickey downwards while the Armiger goes upwards.

The only thing that makes me doubt that they won't just add in another sprue and have one box for the seperate Armiger is that the pauldrons in the boxset have hard cast mechanicum logos on them. I know a lot of people will want to be able to run these as a knight house, not as a mechanicum knight so having to cut off the logo will be painful on a large curved surface. I'm expecting the enhanced weapon sprue from the standalone box to also have a spare pair of pauldrons.

 Kanluwen wrote:

From the sprue setup we've seen for the Knight Armiger:
It's 4 sprues per Armiger.
3 sprues for the body, legs, and arms.
1 sprue has the shoulderpads(which are molded specifically with AdMech detail it seems), chaincleaver, and the Thermal Lance.

actually it looks more like it's 2 per armiger 4 in total in the box

 Looky Likey wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:


I'm expecting/speculating at this point that the reason why is to make it so that they can potentially keep costs down on the individual kits and/or so they can on their end see what kind of options people would be most interested in.
If the Armiger with its Thermal Lance and Reaper Chaincleaver sells well but the Doohickey with the Brrrrt Cannon and Pokeystick of JUSTICE! doesn't sell well--they might see it as worth their time to change the production numbers/priority for the Doohickey downwards while the Armiger goes upwards.

The only thing that makes me doubt that they won't just add in another sprue and have one box for the seperate Armiger is that the pauldrons in the boxset have hard cast mechanicum logos on them. I know a lot of people will want to be able to run these as a knight house, not as a mechanicum knight so having to cut off the logo will be painful on a large curved surface. I'm expecting the enhanced weapon sprue from the standalone box to also have a spare pair of pauldrons.

I mean, that's assuming that certain variants wouldn't be 'locked' to specific Questors...

Having specific shoulderpads would actually be a weirdly specific way to make it so that people who want to run Questor Mechanicus have the Armiger, Imperialis have their own version, and Traitoris have their own version as well.

No inside information or anything--just wild speculation on my part. It would be an interesting/weird way to do things but it does open up that possibility--or the possibility that the Armigers are sanctified to the Machine God or whatever.

aracersss wrote:actually it looks more like it's 2 per armiger 4 in total in the box

It's 3 sprues for the Armiger itself.
1 sprue has the legs and pelvis(this is the sprue that is second closest on the top--it's what the weapon sprues are resting on).
1 sprue has the carapace, carapace weapons, cowling for the head, and the bottom part of where the legs would meet the torso(this is the sprue that is propped up).
1 sprue has the sides of the torso, the arm mountings, the 'tanks' for the meltagun on the carapace, and the feet(this is the one closest to the camera in the photo)

Not trying to argue or show you up; I've just spent way too long staring at these and figuring out how many I want or how I'd build them or what I could possibly do to make them look a bit more dynamic.
The box has two sets of the 4 sprues--3 of which are 'generic' while one sprue contains all the weapons and stuff.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

You mean the quote specifically naming Praetorians, Lychguard and Immortals might have been in reference to the infantry kits?

That's what I'm hoping yeah. Its just that "featured kits" could be just those in the question or it could be all the kits in the box. Still fingers crossed for another sprue of weapon options for the Armiger on its solo release.

I want my Baby Knights, Baby Knights, Baaaaaby Knights now.

Can't wait to see what the arm them with in future releases. It wouldn't have to be anything crazy either, just stuff like Twin (insert large dread weapon)

GoatboyBeta wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

GoatboyBeta wrote:

Chikout wrote:
Official word regarding the kits (which was never in doubt)

Well that dampens my enthusiasm for the Armiger Warglaive's a bit if they only have one build. Although I suppose there is a small chance that was in ref to the infantry kits.

You mean the quote specifically naming Praetorians, Lychguard and Immortals might have been in reference to the infantry kits?

That's what I'm hoping yeah. Its just that "featured kits" could be just those in the question or it could be all the kits in the box. Still fingers crossed for another sprue of weapon options for the Armiger on its solo release.

It means "all the kits in the box" from past experiences I've had on this.

I'm fully expecting another kit rather than extra arm options. It kinda sucks as an idea, but it does hopefully mean they'll be coming multiples to a box or for cheaper than we seem to think--as they really aren't all that big when in comparison shots.

This looks awesome! Great way to start off a huge mechanicus army given that with a little bit of chopping a Necron can turn out like this.


The baby knights are a must have though I'm not sure if I need a 5th set of skitarii...

 Commander Cain wrote:
This looks awesome! Great way to start off a huge mechanicus army given that with a little bit of chopping a Necron can turn out like this.

Spoiler:

The baby knights are a must have though I'm not sure if I need a 5th set of skitarii...

Assmble em with special weapons that aren't great in 8th so that if 9th comes along you have stuff you can swap in?

 Commander Cain wrote:

The baby knights are a must have though I'm not sure if I need a 5th set of skitarii...

Seeing as this box set will be helping me kick-start my AdMech, I'd be happy to take a set of Skitarii off your hands.