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 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So will these new Knights be imperial only, or will there be Chaos versions?

I'll consult my charts.

*rolls 2D6*
Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe?

If you want a real answer; nobody here can help you. We haven't seen a Chaos Knights book(we probably won't) or the Knights book proper. If GW is smart, they'll release a single "Knights" book and it will have rules for Questor Mechanicus, Imperialis, and Traitoris.

True, but we do have plastic chaos knights. So it seemed logical that these as well would be cross-pollinated to the CSM/CoS side. So much profit, so little effort!

Doesn't look bad but we don't know it's pts cost yet and that d3 melts shots is annoying. I'd rather it just be assault 2 or something. For no more than they'll probably cost with the box I'll probably pick up a couple of boxes considering I need more skitarii as well

 Togusa wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
So will these new Knights be imperial only, or will there be Chaos versions?

I'll consult my charts.

*rolls 2D6*
Maaaaaaaaaaaaybe?

If you want a real answer; nobody here can help you. We haven't seen a Chaos Knights book(we probably won't) or the Knights book proper. If GW is smart, they'll release a single "Knights" book and it will have rules for Questor Mechanicus, Imperialis, and Traitoris.

True, but we do have plastic chaos knights. So it seemed logical that these as well would be cross-pollinated to the CSM/CoS side. So much profit, so little effort!

We don't actually have a "chaos knights" kit. It's just a Knight kit with the Renegades transfer sheet.

The same guy who leaked Forgebane in the first place said that the Knights codex would include Renegade rules, so... yeah.

Will be interesting to see then if the Chaos option gets to keep the dual Avenger or not.

Or, big old dream here, the Imperials get access to dual Avengers as well.

I mean, it's expensive, but worth it.

Given their speed and weapon range, I'm wondering if perhaps melta is/will be the best option for the Armiger.

I'm thinking 'yes' at the moment. Which places me back into the camp of 'I"ll be buying this box'.

It has speed and good range, if it has a BS of 3+ advancing and shooting with it will also be very viable.

The big problem with melta has always been its range... with 30" range and 15" for the melta rule... they actually look pretty good compared with lasscannons.

The range on the spear is generous and meshes well with the slight increase in mobility.

Only real downside to the suit is its lack of horde deterrents, as I doubt this thing can stomp like its bigger brothers.

 Galas wrote:
The big problem with melta has always been its range... with 30" range and 15" for the melta rule... they actually look pretty good compared with lasscannons.

I really like how fast they are. I'd imagine getting close with 3 of the beasts adding in assault melta, might be very effective. the 3+ would be badass and 15" for re-roll damage can be useful on many targets.

 oni wrote:
Given their speed and weapon range, I'm wondering if perhaps melta is/will be the best option for the Armiger.

Compared to what?

I did a quick measurement based on the picture below. A skitarii ranger is 3.2cm from foot to hood. You can stack 3 and a half tall to get to same height as knight. This means knight is roughly 11.2 cm +/- 0.5 cm

That's pretty tiny indeed

EDIT: By same rationale the knight is on a 100mm base

No I think they're taller than 4 inches. The legs on the sprue look like they're 3 inches themselves.

 Hive City Dweller wrote:
I did a quick measurement based on the picture below. A skitarii ranger is 3.2cm from foot to hood. You can stack 3 and a half tall to get to same height as knight. This means knight is roughly 11.2 cm +/- 0.5 cm

That's pretty tiny indeed

EDIT: By same rationale the knight is on a 100mm base

11cm+ would put it at slightly larger than a Dreadnought.

Points wise, expecting between 170-180 after a comparison to a basic melta contemptor dreadnought.

If both sides have roughly the same amount of points (Necrons 532 if the new values are true versus 230ish for Dominus + 10 Rangers with assorted weapons) then 150+ pts would be about right.

Im thinking a super heavy detach of these adds a nice cheap punch to my wolves and nice cp.

500-600 points for 9d3 melta + 3 carapace melta + cc.
36 wounds with 3+ probably 5++ 14" and please please please 3+tohit looks really really good

It wouldn't surprise me if they tossed on 4+ for both WS and BS as a means of keeping points down and tying it in with the fluff of these, while piloted by exceptional people, they're nowhere near as their masters.

WS3+ and BS3+ sounds fair because of D3 and D6. What if it have bad WS/BS stat and you unlucky roll 1 for it D3&D6... auto miss most of the games.

What makes these super-heavy?

So imperial knight player like me can use it.
I own 5 lord imperial knight and I will buy this forgebane to add minions for my lord knight

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What makes these super-heavy?

There not, the old Super heavy type has been replaces with the Titanic keyword. But not all Lords of war have it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
What makes these super-heavy?

Nothing.


But it's a Lord of War for ease of Detachment-building (and a physically bigger one than Guilliman at that, if think size matters ).

It's also their way of ensuring that Imperial Knight players can field them alongside regular Knights in the same army, battle forged, without GW being forced to produce more detachment types.

Do we know if this will be a limited edition like the other special 40k box sets. If do will it sell out super fast like shadow war a?

Ragweek wrote:
Do we know if this will be a limited edition like the other special 40k box sets. If do will it sell out super fast like shadow war a?

It won't sell as fast as Shadow War, because that was an extremely limited run done as a stopgap between 7th and 8th to test market appetite for a Necromunda reboot.

This is more like Imperial Knight: Renegade or similar.

I would not expect it to be in stock in 12-18 months, but you won't have any issues buying one.

 Silentz wrote:

Ragweek wrote:
Do we know if this will be a limited edition like the other special 40k box sets. If do will it sell out super fast like shadow war a?

It won't sell as fast as Shadow War, because that was an extremely limited run done as a stopgap between 7th and 8th to test market appetite for a Necromunda reboot.

This is more like Imperial Knight: Renegade or similar.

I would not expect it to be in stock in 12-18 months, but you won't have any issues buying one.

Oh that's good news then. I can wait till payday. Not many of the limited sets lasted a year though. Death mask (apologies for spelling) sold rather fast but not super fast.

 Silentz wrote:
... that was an extremely limited run done as a stopgap between 7th and 8th to test market appetite for a Necromunda reboot.

It's a more than safe bet that the new Necromunda was in the works before Shadow War came about.

Yes, that's what I meant.

SW:A was a low cost (to them) "this is a bit like Necromunda whaddya think" sort of game to see if people bought it or ignored it. It had a rulebook that was largely a reboot, and some cardboard tiles. Everything else was just existing stock.

If you are ploughing the profits of your company into manufacturing, storing, shipping and selling a brand new product worldwide then it helps to have an idea of how many you need. Plus I don't think there was anything else they had ready which could have been released in that slot, feasibly.


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Edit to add that this is NOT what I think Forgebane is.

Forgebane is the new way they increase their average order value, by releasing desirable new models alongside some existing models, with an attractive discount. This means people will spend £95to get all the contents rather than wait a couple of months and only spend £70 or whatever to get the two armigers.

 Silentz wrote:
Yes, that's what I meant.

SW:A was a low cost (to them) "this is a bit like Necromunda whaddya think" sort of game to see if people bought it or ignored it. It had a rulebook that was largely a reboot, and some cardboard tiles. Everything else was just existing stock.


Forgebane is the new way they increase their average order value, by releasing desirable new models alongside some existing models, with an attractive discount. This means people will spend £95to get all the contents rather than wait a couple of months and only spend £70 or whatever to get the two armigers.

Sorry it may have been just me but I bought SW for all the new cool terrain. Never played the game itself.

So I would say that what you are saying applies to both equally?

You know, I just pulled out my old all-metal Necron army and was pondering over it. I always meant to add some Wraiths to it and I sincerely hope this box set puts some cheap(er) Wraiths on the market. Maybe I'll even finally set aside my squad of old Pariahs for some Lychguard models.

And yeah, by all-metal I mean it. All second edition models apart from Pariahs and a couple of the current lords when they were metal, with two squads of the old reclining chair destroyers.