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Huh. Did not expect it to get this close to 85k.

Elite units cost twice as many dice to spawn in game. The only reason they’re efficient is the leadership buff they give to non elites.

Boss Salvage wrote:1) My experience with MonPoc 1.0 was that you really wanted buildings (see above), and lots of them, but that they were especially coveted, so either prohibitively expensive on the secondary market or just not available. I say this as a person who tried to play the game - which has SO much appeal to me - but felt like I couldn't largely due to minis not really being available. And yes, I hate blind boxes and the resale market they create. Is this the case with MP2? Both the reliance on buildings and their unavailability?

There are no blind buys in MocPoc 2.0 (yay) and building abilities no longer give bonuses for having multiple. A building ability might look like:

"Speed Boost: If you are securing one or more buildings with the Speed Boost abilities, allied units gain +1 to movement".

It might be a valid strategy to have more than one building of certain kinds (in case a monster is thrown into it), but the tactical advantage is more as a backup building rather than stacking bonuses. Also, some buildings have benefits to destroying them. The apartment building (I think) will heal a monster one point if the monster is non-mechanical and destroys it with a brawl attack. Having a few of those around could make a difference.

2) Is there any use for all my MP1 minis? I bought a huge amount of late wave dudes (all the burrowers, some of the other alien types) and loads of buildings (see above) when the game collapsed - is there support, official or otherwise, for using them in the new game?

MonPoc 1.0 units are not supported by PP and won't be recognized in any official tournaments, but you can use them as proxies in friendly games. They have the same footprint and thus far, all MonPoc 2.0 unit and monster releases are the same types MonPoc 1.0. The buildings look pretty different though (new stuff is way nicer). You don't use the icons on the base anymore, you need a stat card for each units, building, and monster (I'm sure you can find them online somewhere) so they make fine proxies.

To my knowledge, the majority of MonPoc 1.0 maps will still work with the game as is (some of the later MonPoc 1.0 maps added new symbols that don't have rules in 2.0). So keep those around even if you upgrade everything else.

skullking wrote:In Monpoc 1.0, you could only have 3 of any unit, and if they had an elite version, you could take 6 (3 of each), but that doesn't seem to be the case anymore. So why would you not take all elite units?

Units are sold in set packs of 5, usually with just one elite, so going all elite would require buying a lot of models you don't use. Technically, the only thing separating an elite from a grunt is the star on the base and that's nothing a sharpie couldn't fix. So, I guess you could.

However, elite models are more expensive to put out and generally aren't that much better than grunt models. So far, the only benefit they've had is adding a boost die to same type grunts within a few spaces. No grunts, no boost. Honestly, the default packaging of 3 grunts per 1 elite is a pretty good mix.

I think I'm going to probably use old Monpoc 1.0 units as 'regular' versions, with painted new versions as elites. it'll make it much easier to distinguish what's what.

I just give the elites more elaborate paint jobs, like a yellow stripe or gold instead of silver paint.

I believe I heard the new maps have a slightly different grid count dimension, but for casual games you’re probably fine using them for variety.

I painted my bases and then gave the elites a slight paint variation to designate them. Gave myself an extra elite Tank in the process out of the ten.

The starter map has slightly more spaces and building foundations but nothing has changed to make old maps not work.

If you want to keep your bases clear and use the stars to designate elites and want more than the single elite in a pack of minis, the new packs of bases come with four grunt and four elite bases for $12.

Voss wrote:

Ah. That infernal is about what I expected/feared. Weird 'shapeless' horror that reminds me of tyranids (much like the Legion beasts)

Infernal beasts have looked like that from their original conception. This is nothing new- they've always had a Lovecraftian "formless horror" look to them. That particular one is in that collection of images below

I for one call for more legion/tyranid/infernal beasties!

Cheers for the MonPoc 2 commentary, I'll see what I can dig up. Found the free rules, need to find the stat cards next, though most of my dudes are from late in MP1 so dunno if they're supported yet.

The facebook group has scans of all of the cards, but you can find all the stats in this online builder (mouseover special rule names to get the actual rules):

http://www.monpoc.net/MonpocListBuilder/MonPocBuilder.html

Exalt to that! Thanks!

Thanks everyone, my wallet hates you all . I picked up the GUARD starter set and Terra Khan, both to have fun painting at least. The starter set was missing all 4 tanks , but had the repair truck at least. I can’t say much about the quality of the models though as all had bad mold slippage and the spots for gates were poorly chosen causing loss of details or bad fits. There was also a bubble in the arm of defender X, but not terribly bad that it cannot be fixed.

I have sent a misplace request to PP, anyone know how long it takes to get replacements? At least I can get the big guys done up while I wait.

 Theophony wrote:
Thanks everyone, my wallet hates you all . I picked up the GUARD starter set and Terra Khan, both to have fun painting at least. The starter set was missing all 4 tanks , but had the repair truck at least. I can’t say much about the quality of the models though as all had bad mold slippage and the spots for gates were poorly chosen causing loss of details or bad fits. There was also a bubble in the arm of defender X, but not terribly bad that it cannot be fixed.

I have sent a misplace request to PP, anyone know how long it takes to get replacements? At least I can get the big guys done up while I wait.

PP is generally super good with their support tickets. They're generally very quick about it.

Also, just to nitpick, Terra Khan is a good guy.

 Theophony wrote:
I have sent a misplace request to PP, anyone know how long it takes to get replacements? At least I can get the big guys done up while I wait.

Had a mispack with some Terrasaur units (had 5 left arms, 3 right arms) and it took maybe a week to a week and a half from when I submitted my ticket.

Have not had any problems with bubbles, but the models definitely have some weird places for the little tabs you have to cut off and I never really got Cthugrosh to fit properly in his tentacles. My biggest complaint is the transparent bases. I never realized how much I relied on bases for painting. Still not sure the best way to do it. I guess I could mount them on something else temporarily, but I've mostly been painting them top half then bottom half, holding them on the half I'm not painting.

FWIW, I put in a ticket Saturday night and just got tracking information for the replacement part a bit ago. Not sure I'll get it still this week, but I'd wager I'll have it early next.

Gorman the Mad

When there's trouble you, call G...tM?

You could always paint the MonPoc bases! I painted mine.

And Gorman was always compared to Darkwing Duck BEFOR he had a gasgun.

 AduroT wrote:
You could always paint the MonPoc bases! I painted mine.

And Gorman was always compared to Darkwing Duck BEFOR he had a gasgun.

Yeah, I had a comment to that effect that I must have deleted somewhere before I posted.

Gorman, he mad tho


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Sqorgar wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
I have sent a misplace request to PP, anyone know how long it takes to get replacements? At least I can get the big guys done up while I wait.

Had a mispack with some Terrasaur units (had 5 left arms, 3 right arms) and it took maybe a week to a week and a half from when I submitted my ticket.

Have not had any problems with bubbles, but the models definitely have some weird places for the little tabs you have to cut off and I never really got Cthugrosh to fit properly in his tentacles. My biggest complaint is the transparent bases. I never realized how much I relied on bases for painting. Still not sure the best way to do it. I guess I could mount them on something else temporarily, but I've mostly been painting them top half then bottom half, holding them on the half I'm not painting.

LunarSol wrote:FWIW, I put in a ticket Saturday night and just got tracking information for the replacement part a bit ago. Not sure I'll get it still this week, but I'd wager I'll have it early next.

I got a response and a tracking number already. Nice it arrives I’ll post just to let others know the speed they fix mistakes with. Thanks guys.

 Theophony wrote:
Thanks everyone, my wallet hates you all . I picked up the GUARD starter set and Terra Khan, both to have fun painting at least. The starter set was missing all 4 tanks , but had the repair truck at least. I can’t say much about the quality of the models though as all had bad mold slippage and the spots for gates were poorly chosen causing loss of details or bad fits. There was also a bubble in the arm of defender X, but not terribly bad that it cannot be fixed.

I have sent a misplace request to PP, anyone know how long it takes to get replacements? At least I can get the big guys done up while I wait.

Wait’ll you get Sky Sentinel. I think he may be a conspiracy to sell more of their sculpting putty. The gaps in his wings are crazy.

New Pirate Stuff.

Those Ray man punches

I'll be super excited to update my pirates. It was one of my favorite fun lists in MK2 and just didn't really work in MK3 at all. Most of this stuff is modernizing old metal jacks, but I need some powder monkeys ASAP!

I hope the 2nd colossal on the Galleon chassis means a double plastic kit.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the 2nd colossal on the Galleon chassis means a double plastic kit.

I'm certain it does. It's got a different head, different chest guns and different arms same as the other double plastic kits. The concept art even goes out of its way to highlight the few bits that are different. Actually, this CID is an interesting peak behind the curtain in that regard. They had announced this stuff as a CID for last Sept originally then pushed it back about half a year. Seeing what's in it, we can see there's a couple likely sprue plastic kits (Galleon/Blockader and Mariner/Freebooter/Swabber) that probably means the delay was caused by overseas manufacturing. More interesting still is noting that the jacks are all copyright 2016 while the small based stuff they do in house is marked 2018. It paints a pretty clear timeline of the difference in control they have working in house vs overseas and how big of a difference it makes in terms of the release schedule. Likewise, I assume the Swashbuckler will be using a bunch of parts that lets them resculpt the Buccaneer in resin/metal as well.

 AduroT wrote:

 Theophony wrote:
Thanks everyone, my wallet hates you all . I picked up the GUARD starter set and Terra Khan, both to have fun painting at least. The starter set was missing all 4 tanks , but had the repair truck at least. I can’t say much about the quality of the models though as all had bad mold slippage and the spots for gates were poorly chosen causing loss of details or bad fits. There was also a bubble in the arm of defender X, but not terribly bad that it cannot be fixed.

I have sent a misplace request to PP, anyone know how long it takes to get replacements? At least I can get the big guys done up while I wait.

Wait’ll you get Sky Sentinel. I think he may be a conspiracy to sell more of their sculpting putty. The gaps in his wings are crazy.

Quick update, I emailed them about midnight and got them mid afternoon on the fourth day, so 3 working days for replacement parts. Well done Privateer Press . Also instead of just replacing the one arm they did both arms and head as they are on the same resin sprue. So I think I will hack up the spare arm to make a flying fist like he shot one off, and the spare head and maybe the miscast arm as base decoration or a wreckage marker of some type.

 LunarSol wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
I hope the 2nd colossal on the Galleon chassis means a double plastic kit.

I'm certain it does. It's got a different head, different chest guns and different arms same as the other double plastic kits. The concept art even goes out of its way to highlight the few bits that are different. Actually, this CID is an interesting peak behind the curtain in that regard. They had announced this stuff as a CID for last Sept originally then pushed it back about half a year. Seeing what's in it, we can see there's a couple likely sprue plastic kits (Galleon/Blockader and Mariner/Freebooter/Swabber) that probably means the delay was caused by overseas manufacturing. More interesting still is noting that the jacks are all copyright 2016 while the small based stuff they do in house is marked 2018. It paints a pretty clear timeline of the difference in control they have working in house vs overseas and how big of a difference it makes in terms of the release schedule. Likewise, I assume the Swashbuckler will be using a bunch of parts that lets them resculpt the Buccaneer in resin/metal as well.

I hope there are plastics coming up for the jacks. I like the pirate stuff but once you get out of light jack territory metal is just too cumbersome.