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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 12:24:36
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Shadar_Logoth wrote:
Also, not to be that guy, but the FAQ specifically says stratagem and not relic, which veil is. So the FAQ quite literally has no effect on Veil.
True, but if you use dimensional corridor the unit would lose szeras buff.
Shadar_Logoth wrote:
Incorrect:
Use this Stratagem before a MEPHRIT unit from your army attacks in the Shooting phase. Each time you make an unmodified hit roll of 6 for a model in that unit, you can make one additional hit roll for that model with the same weapon against the same target. These additional hit rolls cannot themselves generate any further hit rolls.
The additional hits have to target the unit they were generated against, that's the only limitation.
How is this wrong ? You attack one unit, use TA, and you make additional hit rolls against that one unit only. So you are only attacking one unit with TA.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 12:27:18
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Shadar_Logoth wrote: Ghaz wrote:From the Warhammer 40,000 Main Rulebook FAQ:
Q: If you use a Stratagem to remove a model from the battlefield and set it up again, does the model retain any persistent effects (for example, a bonus to one of its characteristics as a result of an ability)?
A: No.
What constitutes a 'persistent effect' is best discussed in another forum.
Also, not to be that guy, but the FAQ specifically says stratagem and not relic, which veil is. So the FAQ quite literally has no effect on Veil.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ghaz already quoted from the FAQs, scroll up a little.
Right, which is why I wrote "I see nothing in that FAQ." Which means I read the FAQ. And found it had nothing to do with Szeras or Veil. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.
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You can only attack one unit with TA.
Incorrect:
Use this Stratagem before a MEPHRIT unit from your army attacks in the Shooting phase. Each time you make an unmodified hit roll of 6 for a model in that unit, you can make one additional hit roll for that model with the same weapon against the same target. These additional hit rolls cannot themselves generate any further hit rolls.
The additional hits have to target the unit they were generated against, that's the only limitation.
I don't have the codex here. Does it carry over to the fighting phase too? (Probably not meant to, but what does the text say?)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 12:28:07
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Shadar_Logoth wrote: 20 Meph warriors with TA and MWBD can knock out almost 13 MEq, on average, in one salvo. You should be able to blow away anything that could potentially threaten you in CC.
Alright, let's take a closer look at that.
20 Warriors is 240 points.
We're assuming those 240 points worth of Warriors can kill roughly 13 MEQ in RF range if given MWBD and TfA, yes?
So now the question is, can anything else do the same job better?
For similar points we could get:
• 14 Immortals
• 7 or 8 Tomb Blades
• 5 Destroyers
Assuming all of these things get support from an HQ and strat, like the Warriors, how efficient would any of them be at killing MEQ?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 12:28:50
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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p5freak wrote:Shadar_Logoth wrote:
Also, not to be that guy, but the FAQ specifically says stratagem and not relic, which veil is. So the FAQ quite literally has no effect on Veil.
True, but if you use dimensional corridor the unit would lose szeras buff.
Shadar_Logoth wrote:
Incorrect:
Use this Stratagem before a MEPHRIT unit from your army attacks in the Shooting phase. Each time you make an unmodified hit roll of 6 for a model in that unit, you can make one additional hit roll for that model with the same weapon against the same target. These additional hit rolls cannot themselves generate any further hit rolls.
The additional hits have to target the unit they were generated against, that's the only limitation.
How is this wrong ? You attack one unit, use TA, and you make additional hit rolls against that one unit only. So you are only attacking one unit with TA.
Just shoot at multiple units? Automatically Appended Next Post: skoffs wrote:Shadar_Logoth wrote: 20 Meph warriors with TA and MWBD can knock out almost 13 MEq, on average, in one salvo. You should be able to blow away anything that could potentially threaten you in CC.
Alright, let's take a closer look at that.
20 Warriors is 240 points.
We're assuming those 240 points worth of Warriors can kill roughly 13 MEQ in RF range if given MWBD and TfA, yes?
So now the question is, can anything else do the same job better?
For similar points we could get:
• 14 Immortals
• 7 or 8 Tomb Blades
• 5 Destroyers
Assuming all of these things get support from an HQ and strat, like the Warriors, how efficient would any of them be at killing MEQ?
This is besides the point. You might actually need warriors in that spot. Now you just need to decide how to make them better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 12:45:59
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Been Around the Block
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For similar points we could get:
• 14 Immortals
• 7 or 8 Tomb Blades
• 5 Destroyers
5 Destroyers with EP and MWBD kill about 10.8 MEq
14 Immortals, using The Phaeron's WIll on MWBD to buff "both" units, and Nihilek standing still (just trying to assume best case scenario and an equitable CP investment), kills about 9.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 13:21:05
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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p5freak wrote:Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Mephrit is great for Warriors. The reason people are down on Mephrit is that it isn't a good fit for a lot of other units. If you are running 20 man warrior blobs then you really should be Mephrit, if you have 3x 10 Tesla Immortals it's probably not the best choice.
Yes, its great to have your 20 warriors within 12" of the enemy, he can easily charge them, disabling their shooting, warriors are great in melee with 1 attack at S4 AP0 D1. Your strat is only good for shooting at one enemy unit, mephrit is useless, except for the warlord trait, which is great on the CCB with tesla.
Well, if you're gonna piss over everyones logic, then take Anrakyr. Or I dont know, fall back with one blob and give the other MWBD and shoot the ones out in the open.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 13:25:46
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Warriors can also fill a troop slot for much needed CP for Battalions, and provide board control/screens do to the amount of space they can take up.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 13:58:09
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Been Around the Block
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10 Mephrit Gauss Immortals with TA and MWBD kill exactly the same amount as 20 warriors, for 70 points cheaper, so there is a pretty good argument to just use the Immortals in that case.
The Warriors do give you a better thresh hold of surviving long enough to get mileage out of RP and can take advantage of Ghost Arks. They also are better against 5+ or worse saves.
Just a few things to consider.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 14:03:34
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Oh, thats true, you can actually do that. Didnt think of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 14:13:37
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Is killing MEQs really such a priority though? I barely see them on the local tables. People tend to either stick with 4-6 point chaff, or 50+ point models with big guns, powerfists, mobility, and/or invul saves. I've been thinking of switching from Immortals to Warriors to deal with the masses of T3 Guardsmen and Cultists and T7 tanks and monsters people are bringing.
By the way, I'm sure this has been dealt with many times already, but I still have to ask: Is there a use for the Annihilation Barge at all these days?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 14:34:01
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
UK, Midlands
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p5freak wrote:
Yes, its great to have your 20 warriors within 12" of the enemy, he can easily charge them, disabling their shooting, warriors are great in melee with 1 attack at S4 AP0 D1. Your strat is only good for shooting at one enemy unit, mephrit is useless, except for the warlord trait, which is great on the CCB with tesla.
I think this has probably been covered already but: In the post you quoted I said "IF you are using 20 man warrior blobs". I was not suggesting that you should take 20 man Warrior blobs. However, if you do, you need to be getting into rapid fire range at which point Mephrit is very useful. Warriors not getting into rapid fire range are a horrible waster of points. I honestly don't thing there is any contest for Dynasty choice in a Silver Tide list, Mephrit is the clear winner.
There are of course risks involved with getting that close, and you have to build your list with that in mind. If those Warriors are supported by Anrakyr, and you use the Disruption Field(?) strat, they will have 40 S5 attacks hitting on 2's.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 14:36:38
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Auspicious Aspiring Champion of Chaos
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The Annihilation Barge has some utility. It's far from one of our top performers, but the S7 gun can help weaken some of the tougher units you'll face, and QS makes it pretty durable. Its biggest issue is that you're paying for Tesla, but you don't have any way to buff its attack that I'm aware of, so it's pretty easy for your opponent to negate that with to-hit penalties.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 14:54:30
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
UK, Midlands
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EnTyme wrote:The Annihilation Barge has some utility. It's far from one of our top performers, but the S7 gun can help weaken some of the tougher units you'll face, and QS makes it pretty durable. Its biggest issue is that you're paying for Tesla, but you don't have any way to buff its attack that I'm aware of, so it's pretty easy for your opponent to negate that with to-hit penalties.
Methodical Destruction can buff their hits. Sautekh is the best trait for them anyway as you want to be able to take the Gauss Cannon and move and shoot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 15:39:08
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - New FAQ discussion p.72
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Fresh-Faced New User
Ayrshire,Scotland
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p5freak wrote:Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
Mephrit is great for Warriors. The reason people are down on Mephrit is that it isn't a good fit for a lot of other units. If you are running 20 man warrior blobs then you really should be Mephrit, if you have 3x 10 Tesla Immortals it's probably not the best choice.
Yes, its great to have your 20 warriors within 12" of the enemy, he can easily charge them, disabling their shooting, warriors are great in melee with 1 attack at S4 AP0 D1. Your strat is only good for shooting at one enemy unit, mephrit is useless, except for the warlord trait, which is great on the CCB with tesla.
Would it be worth a patrol Crip and the warriors?? Just for that
Was thinking that an unexpected strat pop would be the +1 St one that would be funny Automatically Appended Next Post: Moosatronic Warrior wrote: p5freak wrote:
Yes, its great to have your 20 warriors within 12" of the enemy, he can easily charge them, disabling their shooting, warriors are great in melee with 1 attack at S4 AP0 D1. Your strat is only good for shooting at one enemy unit, mephrit is useless, except for the warlord trait, which is great on the CCB with tesla.
I think this has probably been covered already but: In the post you quoted I said "IF you are using 20 man warrior blobs". I was not suggesting that you should take 20 man Warrior blobs. However, if you do, you need to be getting into rapid fire range at which point Mephrit is very useful. Warriors not getting into rapid fire range are a horrible waster of points. I honestly don't thing there is any contest for Dynasty choice in a Silver Tide list, Mephrit is the clear winner.
There are of course risks involved with getting that close, and you have to build your list with that in mind. If those Warriors are supported by Anrakyr, and you use the Disruption Field(?) strat, they will have 40 S5 attacks hitting on 2's.
I am desperate to use Anrakyr what would you suggest the best way to have him support especially if your vailing a unit this is really bugging me
Across a list to keep the buffs continuous if that makes sense
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:10:10
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
UK, Midlands
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I am desperate to use Anrakyr what would you suggest the best way to have him support especially if your vailing a unit this is really bugging me
Across a list to keep the buffs continuous if that makes sense
Anrakyr
Cryptek + Chrono + Veil
20x Warriors
20x Warriors
Ghost Ark
Deceiver
Obviously you need a 3rd troop choice and some more stuff. The Deceiver, and the Veil help you get into rapids. It needs to be played with care to prevent warriors getting wiped in one turn, and to keep them in range of the characters auras. I've found lists with this core to be reasonably effective and entertaining to play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:11:21
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Fixture of Dakka
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skoffs wrote:Shadar_Logoth wrote: 20 Meph warriors with TA and MWBD can knock out almost 13 MEq, on average, in one salvo. You should be able to blow away anything that could potentially threaten you in CC.
Alright, let's take a closer look at that.
20 Warriors is 240 points.
We're assuming those 240 points worth of Warriors can kill roughly 13 MEQ in RF range if given MWBD and TfA, yes?
So now the question is, can anything else do the same job better?
For similar points we could get:
• 14 Immortals
• 7 or 8 Tomb Blades
• 5 Destroyers
Assuming all of these things get support from an HQ and strat, like the Warriors, how efficient would any of them be at killing MEQ?
Destroyers don't count. You're going to be using Extermination Protocols on Destroyers somewhere else anyway.
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This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:15:52
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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Okapi wrote:I've been thinking of switching from Immortals to Warriors to deal with the masses of T3 Guardsmen and Cultists and T7 tanks and monsters people are bringing.
Didn't somebody do the math on that already?
(and found that equal points Immortals out perform equal points Warriors against chaff)
ie.
40 Warriors (20x2) : 480 points
or
28 Immortals (10+9+9) : 476 points
vs
GEQ
I'm assuming the Immortals had Tesla and were MWBD'd, but maybe there was stats for both weapons and non buffed state. Not sure what the Dynasties were but I'd assume either Sautekh or Mephrit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:20:28
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Fresh-Faced New User
Ayrshire,Scotland
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Moosatronic Warrior wrote:I am desperate to use Anrakyr what would you suggest the best way to have him support especially if your vailing a unit this is really bugging me
Across a list to keep the buffs continuous if that makes sense
Anrakyr
Cryptek + Chrono + Veil
20x Warriors
20x Warriors
Ghost Ark
Deceiver
Obviously you need a 3rd troop choice and some more stuff. The Deceiver, and the Veil help you get into rapids. It needs to be played with care to prevent warriors getting wiped in one turn, and to keep them in range of the characters auras. I've found lists with this core to be reasonably effective and entertaining to play.
Was trying to not use the deceiver as it relys on the first turn too much in saying that I really like that core
You could be cheeky and have Novhk or is that a waste let’s face it they will get charged
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:21:16
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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DarknessEternal wrote: skoffs wrote: • 5 Destroyers
Assuming all of these things get support from an HQ and strat, like the Warriors, how efficient would any of them be at killing MEQ?
Destroyers don't count. You're going to be using Extermination Protocols on Destroyers somewhere else anyway.
Why would Destroyers not count? They're using a strat, and so are the Warriors. The proposed exercise was killing MEQ. It's a comparison of effectiveness vs resources invested. In what way would they "not count"?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:25:20
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Fresh-Faced New User
Ayrshire,Scotland
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skoffs wrote:Okapi wrote:I've been thinking of switching from Immortals to Warriors to deal with the masses of T3 Guardsmen and Cultists and T7 tanks and monsters people are bringing.
Didn't somebody do the math on that already?
(and found that equal points Immortals out perform equal points Warriors against chaff)
ie.
40 Warriors (20x2) : 480 points
or
28 Immortals (10+9+9) : 476 points
vs
GEQ
I'm assuming the Immortals had Tesla and were MWBD'd, but maybe there was stats for both weapons and non buffed state. Not sure what the Dynasties were but I'd assume either Sautekh or Mephrit.
Interesting T7 tanks are my Bain at the moment rhino and razorback Spam just not had a good solid solution that doesn’t get destroyed
Quick by them themselves destroyers? Not sure if it’s the best use DDA def semi unreliable when you have 12 Lascannons shooting at your stuff
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 16:46:11
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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Curious79 wrote:
Interesting T7 tanks are my Bain at the moment rhino and razorback Spam just not had a good solid solution that doesn’t get destroyed
Quick by them themselves destroyers? Not sure if it’s the best use DDA def semi unreliable when you have 12 Lascannons shooting at your stuff
DDAs love lascannons. Roll a 6 on damage, only a 16,7% chance making it through QS. If the damage is lower, pop the -1 to QS roll strat. Is your DDA damaged ? Use damage control to ignore the damage. Use a repair cryptek/spyder to fix it. While he shoots your DDA(s) the rest of your army can move forward unharmed. Tie those vehicles up in melee with wraith/scarabs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 17:59:14
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Been Around the Block
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skoffs wrote:Okapi wrote:I've been thinking of switching from Immortals to Warriors to deal with the masses of T3 Guardsmen and Cultists and T7 tanks and monsters people are bringing.
Didn't somebody do the math on that already?
(and found that equal points Immortals out perform equal points Warriors against chaff)
ie.
40 Warriors (20x2) : 480 points
or
28 Immortals (10+9+9) : 476 points
vs
GEQ
I'm assuming the Immortals had Tesla and were MWBD'd, but maybe there was stats for both weapons and non buffed state. Not sure what the Dynasties were but I'd assume either Sautekh or Mephrit.
Just to keep it simple I'll compare 17 Warriors versus 12 Immortals, and when factoring in MWBD I'll only give it to 10 Immortals, assuming a target with T3 and 5+ save:
No buffs:
17 Warriors:
34(2/3)(2/3)(5/6) = 12.6
12 Immortals:
24(1 ÷ 6)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) × 3 + 24(1 ÷ 2)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) = 10.67
MWBD:
17 Warriors:
34(5/6)(2/3)(5/6) = 15.75
10 immortals (+ 2 without):
20(1 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3)(3) + 20(1 ÷ 2)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) + 4(1 ÷ 6)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) × 3 + 4(1 ÷ 2)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) = 13.63
Seems like the Warriors reign supreme with or without MWBD
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 18:10:11
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Fresh-Faced New User
Ayrshire,Scotland
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p5freak wrote:Curious79 wrote:
Interesting T7 tanks are my Bain at the moment rhino and razorback Spam just not had a good solid solution that doesn’t get destroyed
Quick by them themselves destroyers? Not sure if it’s the best use DDA def semi unreliable when you have 12 Lascannons shooting at your stuff
DDAs love lascannons. Roll a 6 on damage, only a 16,7% chance making it through QS. If the damage is lower, pop the -1 to QS roll strat. Is your DDA damaged ? Use damage control to ignore the damage. Use a repair cryptek/spyder to fix it. While he shoots your DDA(s) the rest of your army can move forward unharmed. Tie those vehicles up in melee with wraith/scarabs.
Yeah that sounds great!!!
the whole melee thing is tough to get up there fast enough auto advance is good was thinking of deep striking Scarabs just don’t like
The poor chance of making the 9” charge and with a re roll that’s 2 CP gone any other suggestions
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 18:14:56
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Shadar_Logoth wrote: skoffs wrote:Okapi wrote:I've been thinking of switching from Immortals to Warriors to deal with the masses of T3 Guardsmen and Cultists and T7 tanks and monsters people are bringing.
Didn't somebody do the math on that already?
(and found that equal points Immortals out perform equal points Warriors against chaff)
ie.
40 Warriors (20x2) : 480 points
or
28 Immortals (10+9+9) : 476 points
vs
GEQ
I'm assuming the Immortals had Tesla and were MWBD'd, but maybe there was stats for both weapons and non buffed state. Not sure what the Dynasties were but I'd assume either Sautekh or Mephrit.
Just to keep it simple I'll compare 17 Warriors versus 12 Immortals, and when factoring in MWBD I'll only give it to 10 Immortals, assuming a target with T3 and 5+ save:
No buffs:
17 Warriors:
34(2/3)(2/3)(5/6) = 12.6
12 Immortals:
24(1 ÷ 6)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) × 3 + 24(1 ÷ 2)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) = 10.67
MWBD:
17 Warriors:
34(5/6)(2/3)(5/6) = 15.75
10 immortals (+ 2 without):
20(1 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3)(3) + 20(1 ÷ 2)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) + 4(1 ÷ 6)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) × 3 + 4(1 ÷ 2)(2 ÷ 3)(2 ÷ 3) = 13.63
Seems like the Warriors reign supreme with or without MWBD
The immortal mwbd calculation seems wrong, shouldn't have to be 1/2 on there, I'm getting 15.11 at dice-hammer.com Automatically Appended Next Post: Also exemplifying with T3 is misleading since we're comparing S4 against S5; Toughness 4 and up Tesla's S5 helps packing extra punch, not to mention that they can stay safely at a 24" distance
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 19:18:44
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Been Around the Block
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The immortal mwbd calculation seems wrong, shouldn't have to be 1/2 on there, I'm getting 15.11 at dice-hammer.com
I don't think so. It accounts for the non Tesla hits. So 1/3 are Tesla, 1/2 Are not Tesla, and 1/6 are misses.
Also exemplifying with T3 is misleading since we're comparing S4 against S5; Toughness 4 and up Tesla's S5 helps packing extra punch, not to mention that they can stay safely at a 24" distance
The question we were specifically addressing is GEq. MEq and T5 will generally favor Tesla. T6 and 7 I believe favors the Warriors again, and then T8 favors Tesla. Automatically Appended Next Post: I'm getting 15.11 at dice hammer as well, though. Hmm. Not sure what's missing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 19:33:15
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Fixture of Dakka
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skoffs wrote: DarknessEternal wrote: skoffs wrote: • 5 Destroyers
Assuming all of these things get support from an HQ and strat, like the Warriors, how efficient would any of them be at killing MEQ?
Destroyers don't count. You're going to be using Extermination Protocols on Destroyers somewhere else anyway.
Why would Destroyers not count? They're using a strat, and so are the Warriors. The proposed exercise was killing MEQ. It's a comparison of effectiveness vs resources invested. In what way would they "not count"?
Because you can't have 2 units of Destroyers using Extermination Protocols.
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"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."
This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 19:38:09
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Been Around the Block
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I redid it in the calculator and got 15.11. Must have plugged in a number wrong.
Makes more sense, though. Tesla gets a ton of mileage out of MWBD. It also gets seriously nerfed by -1 to hit, though, which is a pretty prevalent factor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 21:31:38
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Grisly Ghost Ark Driver
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Shadar_Logoth wrote:I redid it in the calculator and got 15.11. Must have plugged in a number wrong.
Makes more sense, though. Tesla gets a ton of mileage out of MWBD. It also gets seriously nerfed by -1 to hit, though, which is a pretty prevalent factor.
Ah I see how you did the 1/2 fraction for plain hits. My calc I always write Tesla as additional hits, to the normal hits ( both approaches equivalent of course)
May you always find water and shade.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 22:47:33
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Deranged Necron Destroyer
UK, Midlands
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Curious79 752626 10000914 nul wrote:
Was trying to not use the deceiver as it relys on the first turn too much in saying that I really like that core
You could be cheeky and have Novhk or is that a waste let’s face it they will get charged
Novokh is another option actually. If I was trying to run pure Novokh my troops would be similar to that.
With the Deceiver you don't have to use him as an alpha strike trick. He can do useful things going second. You may still want to advance deploy the warriors going second against some armies, or you could use his ability defensivly to move to one flank or another. As I said, you have to play a warrior horde carefully so that a unit can't be wiped in one turn. If you end up going second the Deceiver can shuffle things around a bit to prevent that happening on your opponents first turn.
He also goes well with the list simply by being a nasty character hiding in a bunch of infantry.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2018/05/30 23:25:11
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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Proud Triarch Praetorian
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DarknessEternal wrote: skoffs wrote: DarknessEternal wrote: skoffs wrote: • 5 Destroyers
Assuming all of these things get support from an HQ and strat, like the Warriors, how efficient would any of them be at killing MEQ?
Destroyers don't count. You're going to be using Extermination Protocols on Destroyers somewhere else anyway.
Why would Destroyers not count? They're using a strat, and so are the Warriors. The proposed exercise was killing MEQ. It's a comparison of effectiveness vs resources invested. In what way would they "not count"?
Because you can't have 2 units of Destroyers using Extermination Protocols.
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Where are you getting two units of Destroyers from?
This comparison was using a single unit of five.
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