Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]

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**-Sentinel-**

iGuy91 wrote:
ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:
Is there ANY reliable way to get NOVOKH Lychguard into combat?
Buffed they do so much damage and one could punish deployment mistakes with them (if they can simply move from combat to combat). Its just that I dont see a way HOW to get them to the other side of the board?
They are slow af...
Deciver —> cannot charge, have to hide
Veil —> 9“ charge and Im not the lucky one with dice
The only way I thought of would be by 3Scythes and hoping one survives...
If you somehow manage to take them up the table you have to think of Anrakyr whos one slow mafukka too...

That's the thing. Honestly. Veil + MWBD is your best bet. 8 inch charge...with a command point reroll....probably a little better than 50/50...
Trust me, if there was a better way than that, I'd love to hear it. Using the Deceiver to move a monolith out to 12 inches, disembark 3+5 inches, MWBD, makes for a 4 inch charge with potential rerolls.

Technically in its current wording disembarking from monolith is the same as deepstriking. So its suffers from beta rules - you can't do it outside your deploy turn one; you can't move after you disembark (warptime deepstrike nerf). Monolith is a crappy crap.

Already mentioned, i have used sautekh lychguard with obyron. That was nice till i faced reapers and obliterators who... obliterated them very easily. Current meta have a lot of damage 2 guns with high number of shots, its too easy to kill lichguards for their cost.

**Doctoralex**

Pyrothem wrote:
Also you can use our crazy Grandpa Zanny and his care taker Obyron.

Just get a cryptek with the Vail to pop the old man at 9.01 away then his boy Obyron and lytchguard crew right in front of the enemy at nearly impossible to fail charge range. Not the right dynasty but hey having My Will Be Done on them maths out to be about the same as the Novok trait.

Yea sounds good, but that’s +-400 points just to give Lychguard a guarenteed charge. Those 3 characters aren’t going to do too much besides that.

I’d like to try the following for melee-Crons:

Novokh Vanguard detachment

Cryptek /w Chrono, Veil. Warlord (trait, re-roll charges)

10x Lychguard /w Scytches

20x Flayed ones
20x Flayed ones

For the low price of 1075 points, You can stuff a buttload of models right in front of your opponent. The Lychguard can go for a big target and the Flayed Ones for anything else. Novokh ups the damage output of all these units, while the Cryptek increases their survivability and gives them more reliable charges.

**torblind**

Doctoralex wrote:
Pyrothem wrote:
Also you can use our crazy Grandpa Zanny and his care taker Obyron.

Just get a cryptek with the Vail to pop the old man at 9.01 away then his boy Obyron and lytchguard crew right in front of the enemy at nearly impossible to fail charge range. Not the right dynasty but hey having My Will Be Done on them maths out to be about the same as the Novok trait.

Yea sounds good, but that’s +-400 points just to give Lychguard a guarenteed charge. Those 3 characters aren’t going to do too much besides that.

I’d like to try the following for melee-Crons:

Novokh Vanguard detachment

Cryptek /w Chrono, Veil. Warlord (trait, re-roll charges)

10x Lychguard /w Scytches

20x Flayed ones
20x Flayed ones

For the low price of 1075 points, You can stuff a buttload of models right in front of your opponent. The Lychguard can go for a big target and the Flayed Ones for anything else. Novokh ups the damage output of all these units, while the Cryptek increases their survivability and gives them more reliable charges.

Also those HQs won't work with Novokh

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-Sentinel- wrote:
iGuy91 wrote:
ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:
Is there ANY reliable way to get NOVOKH Lychguard into combat?
Buffed they do so much damage and one could punish deployment mistakes with them (if they can simply move from combat to combat). Its just that I dont see a way HOW to get them to the other side of the board?
They are slow af...
Deciver —> cannot charge, have to hide
Veil —> 9“ charge and Im not the lucky one with dice
The only way I thought of would be by 3Scythes and hoping one survives...
If you somehow manage to take them up the table you have to think of Anrakyr whos one slow mafukka too...

That's the thing. Honestly. Veil + MWBD is your best bet. 8 inch charge...with a command point reroll....probably a little better than 50/50...
Trust me, if there was a better way than that, I'd love to hear it. Using the Deceiver to move a monolith out to 12 inches, disembark 3+5 inches, MWBD, makes for a 4 inch charge with potential rerolls.

Technically in its current wording disembarking from monolith is the same as deepstriking. So its suffers from beta rules - you can't do it outside your deploy turn one; you can't move after you disembark (warptime deepstrike nerf). Monolith is a crappy crap.

Already mentioned, i have used sautekh lychguard with obyron. That was nice till i faced reapers and obliterators who... obliterated them very easily. Current meta have a lot of damage 2 guns with high number of shots, its too easy to kill lichguards for their cost.

They won't be coming from the tomb world but from an already deployed unit (using the stratagem)

**-Sentinel-**

torblind wrote:

They won't be coming from the tomb world but from an already deployed unit (using the stratagem)

They are placed and they not on board before that. Just like deep strike. Units which are on table before deepstrike can ignore that (veil of darkness, on wings of fire of BA), so if you somehow could redeepstrike Monolith, he could be placed anywhere.

I agree that most likely its not intended nerf of Monolith. But it is a nerf. And it has to be clarified.

**torblind**

-Sentinel- wrote:
torblind wrote:

They won't be coming from the tomb world but from an already deployed unit (using the stratagem)
They are placed and they not on board before that. Just like deep strike. Units which are on table before deepstrike can ignore that (veil of darkness, on wings of fire of BA), so if you somehow could redeepstrike Monolith, he could be placed anywhere.

I agree that most likely its not intended nerf of Monolith. But it is a nerf. And it has to be clarified.

Are we takling about the same thing?

1. Deploy Lychguard normally

2. Deceivery the Monolith upfield

3. Turn 1 movement phase stratagem transport the lychguard through the monolith , move LG and charge something ill deployed

**ImPhaeronWeasel**

Pyrothem wrote:
Also you can use our crazy Grandpa Zanny and his care taker Obyron.

Just get a cryptek with the Vail to pop the old man at 9.01 away then his boy Obyron and lytchguard crew right in front of the enemy at nearly impossible to fail charge range. Not the right dynasty but hey having My Will Be Done on them maths out to be about the same as the Novok trait.

But like that theyre SAUTEKH not NOVOKH. Thats probably one of the best and easiest possibilities to bring them up front BUT its SAUTEKH only (useless dynasty for lychguard).

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CthuluIsSpy wrote:
ImPhaeronWeasel wrote:
Is there ANY reliable way to get NOVOKH Lychguard into combat?
Buffed they do so much damage and one could punish deployment mistakes with them (if they can simply move from combat to combat). Its just that I dont see a way HOW to get them to the other side of the board?
They are slow af...
Deciver —> cannot charge, have to hide
Veil —> 9“ charge and Im not the lucky one with dice
The only way I thought of would be by 3Scythes and hoping one survives...
If you somehow manage to take them up the table you have to think of Anrakyr whos one slow mafukka too...

I think the intent isn't that they are assault units, but counter charge units.
Historically necrons have problems against heavy assaults, such as a frontal charge by berserkers. Lychguard would help deter that.
If you want an assault unit, use wraiths and scarabs. Or even praetorians. To me though it seems that the idea with lychguard is that they are defensive, not offensive. Hence the guard in the name.

But if you really want to be aggressive with them, veil, grand illusion and scythes are your only options.

Id go with shield lychguard for countercharge but warscythe Lychguard? What are they countercharging? Knights?

I know its probably meant that way but i personally still find it stupid.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Yeah, it does seem that scythguard are supposed to engage vehicles that get too close, such as dreadnaughts. How they are supposed to survive shooting is something you'll have to figure out. I guess that's what the chronometron is for, or just hide them behind a block of cover.

**-Sentinel-**

torblind wrote:
-Sentinel- wrote:
torblind wrote:

They won't be coming from the tomb world but from an already deployed unit (using the stratagem)
They are placed and they not on board before that. Just like deep strike. Units which are on table before deepstrike can ignore that (veil of darkness, on wings of fire of BA), so if you somehow could redeepstrike Monolith, he could be placed anywhere.

I agree that most likely its not intended nerf of Monolith. But it is a nerf. And it has to be clarified.

Are we takling about the same thing?

1. Deploy Lychguard normally

2. Deceivery the Monolith upfield

3. Turn 1 movement phase stratagem transport the lychguard through the monolith , move LG and charge something ill deployed

You still limited in placing units from reserves in your deployment turn 1. Using stratagem doesn't help with that. Things that helps here is having unit on a table before you 'redeepstrike' it. Such as veil of darkness, or on wings of fire.

Anytime i think you would prefer deceiver more lychguard over having Monolith which not worth its points.

**torblind**

-Sentinel- wrote:
torblind wrote:
-Sentinel- wrote:
torblind wrote:

They won't be coming from the tomb world but from an already deployed unit (using the stratagem)
They are placed and they not on board before that. Just like deep strike. Units which are on table before deepstrike can ignore that (veil of darkness, on wings of fire of BA), so if you somehow could redeepstrike Monolith, he could be placed anywhere.

I agree that most likely its not intended nerf of Monolith. But it is a nerf. And it has to be clarified.

Are we takling about the same thing?

1. Deploy Lychguard normally

2. Deceivery the Monolith upfield

3. Turn 1 movement phase stratagem transport the lychguard through the monolith , move LG and charge something ill deployed

You still limited in placing units from reserves in your deployment turn 1. Using stratagem doesn't help with that. Things that helps here is having unit on a table before you 'redeepstrike' it. Such as veil of darkness, or on wings of fire.

Anytime i think you would prefer deceiver more lychguard over having Monolith which not worth its points.

Sure.. but what reserves? Lychguard are not in reserves. They are already on the table. That's exactly why the stratagem helps.

**-Sentinel-**

torblind wrote:

Sure.. but what reserves? Lychguard are not in reserves. They are already on the table. That's exactly why the stratagem helps.

Yep, my bad. Forgot that monolith can teleport unengaged stuff via stratagem. Thought you mention stratagem that allows you deploy 2 units in a turn.

Thats technically possible. But still, if you lose monolith your lychguard won't get anywhere.

**torblind**

-Sentinel- wrote:
torblind wrote:

Sure.. but what reserves? Lychguard are not in reserves. They are already on the table. That's exactly why the stratagem helps.
Yep, my bad. Forgot that monolith can teleport unengaged stuff via stratagem. Thought you mention stratagem that allows you deploy 2 units in a turn.

Thats technically possible. But still, if you lose monolith your lychguard won't get anywhere.

Don't think I mention any such stratagem.

Most importantly this strategy would want to go first, before your enemy covers the ground between it and the Monolith with schaff which you don't want to get your LG entangled in.

Also the Monolith should survive enemy shooting turn 1, it's not the worst of things to gamble on. Regardless you should have the Veil in range for emergency teleporting upfield. More realisticly have the wraiths on enemy's face for more imediate threats. That likely diverts firepower from the Monolith

**Pyrothem**

Lol if you are facing an army that can NOT pop a Monolith in one turn you are playing a fluffy narrative game.

**Blndmage**

So I'm working on my first ever competitive list. I've only ever been a casual/narrative player.

We've got a monthly 1750 tourney, using ITC combined arms missions. I've never even seen ITC stuff before, I've heard about it on forums, but never had to deal with tit.

While I want to be competitive, I also can't afford anything new, so I have to work with what I have:

Spoiler:

Here's the list I'd like to make:

Spoiler:

Run the D Lord, Wraiths, wrapped by Scarabs as a massive distraction from the Pylons, while the Spyders run repair.

**COLD CASH**

I would cut the spiders and run 2 spearheads with a cryptek+ cloak and a lord so you have all buffs covered.

**Blndmage**

COLD CASH wrote:
I would cut the spiders and run 2 spearheads with a cryptek+ cloak and a lord so you have all buffs covered.

Why the Lord?
I have nothing he can buff.
Each Spyder heals one Pylon for d3+1 for living metal, a single cryptek with cloak only heals one pylon for d3.

**p5freak**

Blndmage wrote:
COLD CASH wrote:
I would cut the spiders and run 2 spearheads with a cryptek+ cloak and a lord so you have all buffs covered.

Why the Lord?
I have nothing he can buff.
Each Spyder heals one Pylon for d3+1 for living metal, a single cryptek with cloak only heals one pylon for d3.

Use gloom prisms on your spiders for deny the witch. Do you know you can use both the spider repair ability and the cryptek cloak ability to regain wounds on your vehicles ? The spider says repair and the cryptek says regain, its not the same, two different rules.

**Blndmage**

p5freak wrote:
Blndmage wrote:
COLD CASH wrote:
I would cut the spiders and run 2 spearheads with a cryptek+ cloak and a lord so you have all buffs covered.

Why the Lord?
I have nothing he can buff.
Each Spyder heals one Pylon for d3+1 for living metal, a single cryptek with cloak only heals one pylon for d3.

Use gloom prisms on your spiders for deny the witch. Do you know you can use both the spider repair ability and the cryptek cloak ability to regain wounds on your vehicles ? The spider says repair and the cryptek says regain, its not the same, two different rules.

I've tried Gloom Prisms in the past, but with only one deny per Spyder, they've never really been helpful. You'd think that the things that can deny in our forces, would deny more than once.

I know that Spyders and Cloak Crypteks stack, but I don't have any of the new Cloak models from forgebane, my current Cryptek is a kitbashing from my bits box.

Would it be better for me to split the Sentry Pylons into three sets of two, so I can deploy them differently, of keep then with two units of three to try and get the +1 for first turn?

**iGuy91**

Blndmage wrote:
p5freak wrote:
Blndmage wrote:
COLD CASH wrote:
I would cut the spiders and run 2 spearheads with a cryptek+ cloak and a lord so you have all buffs covered.

Why the Lord?
I have nothing he can buff.
Each Spyder heals one Pylon for d3+1 for living metal, a single cryptek with cloak only heals one pylon for d3.

Use gloom prisms on your spiders for deny the witch. Do you know you can use both the spider repair ability and the cryptek cloak ability to regain wounds on your vehicles ? The spider says repair and the cryptek says regain, its not the same, two different rules.

I've tried Gloom Prisms in the past, but with only one deny per Spyder, they've never really been helpful. You'd think that the things that can deny in our forces, would deny more than once.

I know that Spyders and Cloak Crypteks stack, but I don't have any of the new Cloak models from forgebane, my current Cryptek is a kitbashing from my bits box.

Would it be better for me to split the Sentry Pylons into three sets of two, so I can deploy them differently, of keep then with two units of three to try and get the +1 for first turn?

I'd keep them in 2x3 squads.

**Odrankt**

Hey everyone. Have not posted here in awhile, Been busy doing up other armies and terrain.

So, a Custode player from my local has challenged me to a 3.5k game vs my Necrons (I'm the only person to beat him since he started Custodes so has a Vendetta against them).

I know the best way to kill Custodes is to keep back from charge range and to spam MWs. in regards to that I will definitely bring a T. C'tan w/ Cosmic Tyrant (2 powers) and the Deceiver. Question is what C'tan powers should I bring? Was thinking of giving the T. C'tan Antimatter and Trans Thunder while the Deceiver has Times Arrow and Falling Stars (incase he is able to put a good few units around 16" away from me).

I don't have a T Vault either btw.

Cheers.

**torblind**

Odrankt wrote:
Hey everyone. Have not posted here in awhile, Been busy doing up other armies and terrain.

So, a Custode player from my local has challenged me to a 3k game vs my Necrons (I'm the only person to beat him since he started Custodes so has a Vendetta against them).

I know the best way to kill Custodes is to keep back from charge range and to spam MWs. in regards to that I will definitely bring a T. C'tan w/ Cosmic Tyrant (2 powers) and the Deceiver. Question is what C'tan powers should I bring? Was thinking of giving the T. C'tan Antimatter and Trans Thunder while the Deceiver has Times Arrow and Falling Stars (incase he is able to put a good few units around 16" away from me).

I don't have a T Vault either btw.

Cheers.

Perhaps bring the nightbringer instead of the Deceiver? If he comes to you, there might be little point in re-deploying ahead in the battlefield?

**Pyrothem**

Our MVP unit the destroyer pack will be key as well and at that high of a point game you might want to look at bringing the Stormlord. His call the storm (great Smight) has excellent range and does not need line of sight.

**iGuy91**

torblind wrote:
Odrankt wrote:
Hey everyone. Have not posted here in awhile, Been busy doing up other armies and terrain.

So, a Custode player from my local has challenged me to a 3k game vs my Necrons (I'm the only person to beat him since he started Custodes so has a Vendetta against them).

I know the best way to kill Custodes is to keep back from charge range and to spam MWs. in regards to that I will definitely bring a T. C'tan w/ Cosmic Tyrant (2 powers) and the Deceiver. Question is what C'tan powers should I bring? Was thinking of giving the T. C'tan Antimatter and Trans Thunder while the Deceiver has Times Arrow and Falling Stars (incase he is able to put a good few units around 16" away from me).

I don't have a T Vault either btw.

Cheers.

Perhaps bring the nightbringer instead of the Deceiver? If he comes to you, there might be little point in re-deploying ahead in the battlefield?

Yeah, I'd go Nightbringer with Antimatter Meteor. Use the entropic strike strategem to kill a custode since he'll get a 6+ armor save, and no invuln vs 1 attack....decent odds.
Otherwise, yeah, T-ctan with cosmic tyrant, times arrow, and antimatter meteor.

Unrelated. Does anyone with the Kill team box set know if necrons will benefit from their Dynasty Codes? (Mephrit -1, Nephrehk auto advance 6, or Nihilahk reroll 1s if you didn't move come to mind as exceptional if they do.)
Otherwise, no worries if they do not.

**Odrankt**

torblind wrote:
Odrankt wrote:
Hey everyone. Have not posted here in awhile, Been busy doing up other armies and terrain.

So, a Custode player from my local has challenged me to a 3k game vs my Necrons (I'm the only person to beat him since he started Custodes so has a Vendetta against them).

I know the best way to kill Custodes is to keep back from charge range and to spam MWs. in regards to that I will definitely bring a T. C'tan w/ Cosmic Tyrant (2 powers) and the Deceiver. Question is what C'tan powers should I bring? Was thinking of giving the T. C'tan Antimatter and Trans Thunder while the Deceiver has Times Arrow and Falling Stars (incase he is able to put a good few units around 16" away from me).

I don't have a T Vault either btw.

Cheers.

Perhaps bring the nightbringer instead of the Deceiver? If he comes to you, there might be little point in re-deploying ahead in the battlefield?

Idea with the Deceiver is that Depending on which deployment is used ill use the Deceiver to move my DDAs (bringing 3) as far as way as possible so that if he wants them killed he has to go after them. Otherwise they will do too much damage to him as the game goes on. I was thinking about the Nightbringer but issue the Custodes saves. Wounding on 2+ is great but if that wound is saved its kind of a waste. Plus the deceiver is flat 3 dmg which is more reliable that D6 in my books.

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Pyrothem wrote:
Our MVP unit the destroyer pack will be key as well and at that high of a point game you might want to look at bringing the Stormlord. His call the storm (great Smight) has excellent range and does not need line of sight.

Stormlord would be good for free MWs but its the "on a roll of 6" to do d3 MW to other units that makes me hesitant on his 200pt cost for this game. with regards to all yer help this is the list I plan on bringing. C&C away lads

Spoiler:

@iGuy91 - We have no Dynasties in Killteam nor do any other armies have anything like that. Maybe in the future but Killteam is at "index" phase at the moment until more news is announced.

**rvd1ofakind**

Best Necron result in BAO is 3:3. Feels bad man.

Top 2 lists have pylon

**-Sentinel-**

Can you post link to all lists?

**rvd1ofakind**

Best Coast Pairings app on phone. Free to see the lists for now

**Arachnofiend**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
Best Necron result in BAO is 3:3. Feels bad man.

Top 2 lists have pylon

Man, I was really excited for what we got when the Necron codex came out, but I just can't argue with results. When much better players than me are getting their teeth kicked in trying to play this army I kinda have to just admit that the bonuses we got did not succeed in patching over the army's fundamental problems.

**skoffs**

rvd1ofakind wrote:
Best Necron result in BAO is 3:3.

Squarely mid tier.
Disappointing but not exactly surprising.

Here's hoping we're somewhat decent in Kill Team?

**ImPhaeronWeasel**

skoffs wrote:
rvd1ofakind wrote:
Best Necron result in BAO is 3:3.

Squarely mid tier.
Disappointing but not exactly surprising.

Here's hoping we're somewhat decent in Kill Team?

As of now I dont think we will be?

I think all shown specialist traits (on WH40k FB Page) are not good for necrons as they always have some special we dont benefit from (e.g. hits on flamers or no penalty for heavy weapons etc.)
also necrons dont have squad „leaders“ where as almost all other factions do have one? Which means chosing one random model (looking the same) to be the leader.
AND one of the biggest adverts for Kill Team customization is almost non-available for necrons and prob. the only customization option we have is Tesla or Gauss but with Kill Teams -1 to hit system (cover, injuries etc.) Tesla is useless.

I dont own Kill Team so this is just my salty impression.

**rvd1ofakind**

3:3 as the best result is low tier imo. Any low tier army can get some good match-ups and win 3 games. Mid-tier should be 5:1 for their best result.

This isn't some scrub playing Necrons. It's Jessica Bowman, who's played them for years and consistently tops necron charts. She should be able to do better than 3:3 with a mid-tier army.

IMO, necrons are trash tier in a meta with so many knights. Sadly that's just the truth. Like what is a worse codex army in this meta? Grey Knights?