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Better anti-psy is one of my two biggest wishes for Necrons in the future, along with a return to multiple Cryptek options (the Cloak option being a step in the right direction at least). But instead, the only new thing I've seen was that new Forgeworld knight-scale Tomb Stalker thing...

Maybe it has a huge gloom prism, that gives every psyker within 24" a fatal heart attack.

Ok, most likely not, but that would be hilarious.
"That's a nice Magnus you got there" *moves the necron LoW a little closer*
"Aaaand he's dead"

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I've played Necrons in the 6th and 7th editions. They were fun to play also in tourneys. But the new codex gives me a headache since the point costs of models and units went up in most cases. I've come up with the following list at the 1500 pt level.

Spoiler:

New Roster (Warhammer 40,000 8th Edition) [80 PL, 1491pts]
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Necrons) [80 PL, 1491pts]
No Force Org Slot
Dynasty Choice
Selections: Dynasty: Nihilakh
HQ [10 PL, 190pts]
Cryptek [5 PL, 95pts]
Selections: Chronometron [15pts], Staff of Light [10pts]
Cryptek [5 PL, 95pts]
Selections: Artefact: The Veil of Darkness, Chronometron [15pts], Staff of Light [10pts]
Warlord
Selections: Warlord Trait (Codex 3): Immortal Pride
Troops [28 PL, 580pts]
Immortals [8 PL, 170pts]
Selections: Gauss Blaster [90pts], 10x Immortal [80pts]
Immortals [8 PL, 170pts]
Selections: Gauss Blaster [90pts], 10x Immortal [80pts]
Necron Warriors [12 PL, 240pts]
Selections: 20x Necron Warrior [240pts]
Fast Attack [42 PL, 721pts]
Canoptek Scarabs [6 PL, 91pts]
Selections: 7x Canoptek Scarab Swarm [91pts]
Canoptek Wraiths [18 PL, 330pts]
Selections: 6x Canoptek Wraith [330pts]
Destroyers [18 PL, 300pts]
6x Destroyer [18 PL, 300pts]
Selections: 6x Gauss Cannon [120pts]

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 p5freak wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I've come up with the following list at the 1500 pt level.

Exchange one cryptek for an overlord, its a must have if you have tesla immortals. MWBD on them will let you hit on 2s and tesla will explode on 5+. Nihilakh isnt good. Destroyers can already re-roll 1s, wraith dont benefit from it, scarabs cant shoot. Warriors and immortals will probably have to move to get within 24", again no benefits for them. With nephrekh you can deepstrike destroyers, and immortals/warriors/scarabs for 1 CP each. With the veil you can move around the battlefield, shifting your forces somewhere where your opponent is weak.

This is all solid advice. I'd additionally suggest taking the immortal pride WL trait to keep your troops fearless. It makes them a headache to remove, and generally i find my opponents under-estimate the firepower needed to remove them, or overestimate, and have crazy overkill. That, and with Wraiths on the table, they always inevitably for me end up being target #1 for my opponent.

Also, fun side note for Nephrehk Wraiths, they auto advance 6 inches, meaning they move 18 inches when advancing, and with the Adaptive Subroutines Strategem, can get turn 1 charges against forward units very easily. I've found it pretty fun and reliable.

Nihilakh wraiths have one thing going for them, you can give them 2++ with the stratagem. I've been meaning to try that once just for the hilarity of it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Maybe it has a huge gloom prism, that gives every psyker within 24" a fatal heart attack.

Ok, most likely not, but that would be hilarious.
"That's a nice Magnus you got there" *moves the necron LoW a little closer*
"Aaaand he's dead"

Nah, bonuses to perils is more of a Chaos Deamons thing.

I'd rather see something like; unit with an enhanced gloom prism gains +1-2 to his deny the witch test.

Or maybe on a massive gloom prism; this unit gains x to his deny the witch test, and if the result is higher than x, the psyker cannot use the denied power for x turns/rest of the game.

Nihilakh has a benefit of giving you access to 2++ wraiths

Doctoralex wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Maybe it has a huge gloom prism, that gives every psyker within 24" a fatal heart attack.

Ok, most likely not, but that would be hilarious.
"That's a nice Magnus you got there" *moves the necron LoW a little closer*
"Aaaand he's dead"

Nah, bonuses to perils is more of a Chaos Deamons thing.

I'd rather see something like; unit with an enhanced gloom prism gains +1-2 to his deny the witch test.

Or maybe on a massive gloom prism; this unit gains x to his deny the witch test, and if the result is higher than x, the psyker cannot use the denied power for x turns/rest of the game.

No, I don't mean perils. I mean an actual instant death.
Basically, necron anti-psy is sooo good that it just kills psykers. Oh, and the new gloom prism is like 10 pariahs taped to each other.

This may not be entirely serious.

 p5freak wrote:

wuestenfux wrote:I've come up with the following list at the 1500 pt level.

Exchange one cryptek for an overlord, its a must have if you have tesla immortals. MWBD on them will let you hit on 2s and tesla will explode on 5+. Nihilakh isnt good. Destroyers can already re-roll 1s, wraith dont benefit from it, scarabs cant shoot. Warriors and immortals will probably have to move to get within 24", again no benefits for them. With nephrekh you can deepstrike destroyers, and immortals/warriors/scarabs for 1 CP each. With the veil you can move around the battlefield, shifting your forces somewhere where your opponent is weak.

This is a good idea. I'll definitely do it.


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 koooaei wrote:
Nihilakh has a benefit of giving you access to 2++ wraiths

This is quite a nice buff.
In 6th and 7th ed, I played 3x 5 Wraiths in 2000 pt lists at the competitive level, very hard to remove.
But Wraiths are now too expensive for my liking (37 vs. 55 pts).

 koooaei wrote:
Nihilakh has a benefit of giving you access to 2++ wraiths

For 2CP. It's bad.

Nihilakh got the short end of the stick for sure.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Nihilakh has a benefit of giving you access to 2++ wraiths

For 2CP. It's bad.

Nihilakh got the short end of the stick for sure.

Well, the doomsday ark interaction is neat. But yeah, in general Nihilakh isn't great.
I'm still disappointed there's no Empire of the Severed trait. Don't tease a necron player with mentioning a rogue dynasty run by a insane AI and then not deliver. That's a dick move

Question for Nihiliakh players.

Would using the save boosting strategem...increase the effectiveness of the invuln bubble created by a chronometron?

...asking for a friend.

 iGuy91 wrote:
Question for Nihiliakh players.

Would using the save boosting strategem...increase the effectiveness of the invuln bubble created by a chronometron?

...asking for a friend.

It does, sort of. The +1 Save only applies to the unit in question that meets all of the stipulations:

The unit did not move at all during it's turn or is within 3" of an objective marker
AND
The Unit is within 3" of the cryptek.

 Draco765 wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
Question for Nihiliakh players.

Would using the save boosting strategem...increase the effectiveness of the invuln bubble created by a chronometron?

...asking for a friend.

It does, sort of. The +1 Save only applies to the unit in question that meets all of the stipulations:

The unit did not move at all during it's turn or is within 3" of an objective marker
AND
The Unit is within 3" of the cryptek.

If this is a gimmick you want to get the most of, there is the warlord trait to extend your warlords abilities by 3", so make the cryptek your warlord and you now have a 6" bubble.

back to original question, yes, you roll your saves and then add +1 to them. if you roll a 4, you add +1 and it becomes a 5 and you pass.

Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 koooaei wrote:
Nihilakh has a benefit of giving you access to 2++ wraiths

For 2CP. It's bad.

Nihilakh got the short end of the stick for sure.

I wouldn't take it.
A 3++ save is fine and I would rely on it.

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

In the description of the warlord trait.

 p5freak wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

In the description of the warlord trait.

I have my stuff packed away since we're moving, doesn't it specifically mention only the 10" move ability of the canoptek cloak and nothing else?

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

In the description of the warlord trait.

I have my stuff packed away since we're moving, doesn't it specifically mention only the 10" move ability of the canoptek cloak and nothing else?

Here is the relevant snip of the trait:

"...only increase the range of that model’s Technomancer ability, not that of all other CRYPTEKS in your army. If a Cryptek with a Canoptek cloak has this Warlord Trait, this does not affect the distance"

 Draco765 wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

In the description of the warlord trait.

I have my stuff packed away since we're moving, doesn't it specifically mention only the 10" move ability of the canoptek cloak and nothing else?

Here is the relevant snip of the trait:

"...only increase the range of that model’s Technomancer ability, not that of all other CRYPTEKS in your army. If a Cryptek with a Canoptek cloak has this Warlord Trait, this does not affect the distance"

Ah.

I realise this will be a case for the YMDC, but they specify that it affects the ability of this particular cryptek, not that ability of other crypteks (whos abilities have the same name, and a general increase of that ability could be said to affect any models with said ability)

If they meant to "only increase the Technomancer ability, no other abilities", they wouldn't have said "not that of all other crypteks". To me this has no bearing on other abilities.

torblind wrote:

 Draco765 wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

In the description of the warlord trait.

I have my stuff packed away since we're moving, doesn't it specifically mention only the 10" move ability of the canoptek cloak and nothing else?

Here is the relevant snip of the trait:

"...only increase the range of that model’s Technomancer ability, not that of all other CRYPTEKS in your army. If a Cryptek with a Canoptek cloak has this Warlord Trait, this does not affect the distance"

Ah.

I realise this will be a case for the YMDC, but they specify that it affects the ability of this particular cryptek, not that ability of other crypteks (whos abilities have the same name, and a general increase of that ability could be said to affect any models with said ability)

If they meant to "only increase the Technomancer ability, no other abilities", they wouldn't have said "not that of all other crypteks". To me this has no bearing on other abilities.

Its a warlord trait, and it says

"Increase the range of all abilities on your warlords datasheet by 3".......If a cryptek has this warlord trait, only increase the range of that model’s Technomancer ability, not that of all other CRYPTEKS in your army. If a Cryptek with a Canoptek cloak has this Warlord Trait, this does not affect the distance....".

The writing of this warlord trait is ridiculous. First they say to increase the range of all abilities, and later they restrict it. And how can it affect other crypteks ? Its a warlord trait, these normally only affect the warlord. How can "Increase the range of all abilities on your warlords datasheet by 3"." affect other crypteks ?? I only have one warlord cryptek. For me the word "only" limits thrall of the silent king to the technomancer ability only.

 p5freak wrote:

torblind wrote:

 Draco765 wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Thrall of the silent king only extends the crypteks technomancer ability.

where do you find this limitation?

In the description of the warlord trait.

I have my stuff packed away since we're moving, doesn't it specifically mention only the 10" move ability of the canoptek cloak and nothing else?

Here is the relevant snip of the trait:

"...only increase the range of that model’s Technomancer ability, not that of all other CRYPTEKS in your army. If a Cryptek with a Canoptek cloak has this Warlord Trait, this does not affect the distance"

Ah.

I realise this will be a case for the YMDC, but they specify that it affects the ability of this particular cryptek, not that ability of other crypteks (whos abilities have the same name, and a general increase of that ability could be said to affect any models with said ability)

If they meant to "only increase the Technomancer ability, no other abilities", they wouldn't have said "not that of all other crypteks". To me this has no bearing on other abilities.

Its a warlord trait, and it says

"Increase the range of all abilities on your warlords datasheet by 3".......If a cryptek has this warlord trait, only increase the range of that model’s Technomancer ability, not that of all other CRYPTEKS in your army. If a Cryptek with a Canoptek cloak has this Warlord Trait, this does not affect the distance....".

The writing of this warlord trait is ridiculous. First they say to increase the range of all abilities, and later they restrict it. And how can it affect other crypteks ? Its a warlord trait, these normally only affect the warlord. How can "Increase the range of all abilities on your warlords datasheet by 3"." affect other crypteks ?? I only have one warlord cryptek. For me the word "only" limits thrall of the silent king to the technomancer ability only.

I agree with misleading wording.

As it first stands, it says to increase all abilities on the datasheet by 3". Technomancer is a such ability and is now increased by 3". Other crypteks also have this ability and rule as written they would now also have extended auras. The limitation them corrects that.

I agree that no such correction should be necessary, a Warlord has his abilities extended. Of course that affects the model only.

Ok they wants to make extra sure there is no doubt, but in the process introduces other uncertainties as they fail to mention the invul save aura, and they could be read as to imply that only TechM is affected.

Legal Reading time: The exception on the Technomancer trait is actually necessary. The Technomancer ability for some reason says it applies to ALL Crypteks; that is to say each Cryptek grants each other Cryptek the aura. So without the Warlord trait's specific exception, your Warlord Cryptek would grant every other Cryptek the extended aura, because one of the warlord's abilities is an aura from every other model.

As for whether the warlord trait includes the Chrono, I'd read the emphasis as: "only increase the range of THAT MODEL's technomancer ability," not "that model's TECHNOMANCER ability"

Gwyn chan 'r Gwyll wrote:
Legal Reading time: The exception on the Technomancer trait is actually necessary. The Technomancer ability for some reason says it applies to ALL Crypteks; that is to say each Cryptek grants each other Cryptek the aura. So without the Warlord trait's specific exception, your Warlord Cryptek would grant every other Cryptek the extended aura, because one of the warlord's abilities is an aura from every other model.

As for whether the warlord trait includes the Chrono, I'd read the emphasis as: "only increase the range of THAT MODEL's technomancer ability," not "that model's TECHNOMANCER ability"

This ability needs special mention because reasons, other abilities not mentioned and not forgotten

Did anyone notice that you actually can roll RP for warriors three times per turn ? First you do your regular RP roll (before your turn begins), then immediately after that, you do it with a res orb or orb of eternity (still before your turn begins), and then a third time with a ghost ark. The ark says you cant do it in the same turn you used a res orb. But, RAW, either orb is used before your turn begins (note the wort immediately). Your turn begins with the movement phase, when you start moving your models. Battle primer, pg. 3 : "Start your Movement phase by picking one of your units and moving each model in that unit until you’ve moved all the models you want to." The movement phase is the first phase of your turn, before that your turn has not started.

Technically RAW? Maybe.

RAI/allowed by a TO? Hell no.

 p5freak wrote:
Did anyone notice that you actually can roll RP for warriors three times per turn ? First you do your regular RP roll (before your turn begins), then immediately after that, you do it with a res orb or orb of eternity (still before your turn begins), and then a third time with a ghost ark. The ark says you cant do it in the same turn you used a res orb. But, RAW, either orb is used before your turn begins (note the wort immediately). Your turn begins with the movement phase, when you start moving your models. Battle primer, pg. 3 : "Start your Movement phase by picking one of your units and moving each model in that unit until you’ve moved all the models you want to." The movement phase is the first phase of your turn, before that your turn has not started.

Isn't RP done beginning of turn? How is that not the same turn?

torblind wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
Did anyone notice that you actually can roll RP for warriors three times per turn ? First you do your regular RP roll (before your turn begins), then immediately after that, you do it with a res orb or orb of eternity (still before your turn begins), and then a third time with a ghost ark. The ark says you cant do it in the same turn you used a res orb. But, RAW, either orb is used before your turn begins (note the wort immediately). Your turn begins with the movement phase, when you start moving your models. Battle primer, pg. 3 : "Start your Movement phase by picking one of your units and moving each model in that unit until you’ve moved all the models you want to." The movement phase is the first phase of your turn, before that your turn has not started.

Isn't RP done beginning of turn? How is that not the same turn?

It is, yes; even the Res. Orb says "at the beginning of your turn" in regards to having rolled for RP. The Eternity Orb does not, but since it's the same as the Res. Orb--immediately after rolling for RP--and RP is still in the turn sequence, it doesn't really matter.

I realize this is OT, bit I'm a bit at a loss here: Does anyone have a spare C'tan from the Tesseract Vault available for sale?

If you can point me to a bitz store that is selling one, that would be appreciated as well. I'm not too keen to drop 130 bucks for the whole thing when I don't need half of it.