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Necronplayer wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 p5freak wrote:
You cant make attacks with the other profile because CH doesnt generate attacks.

Crimson haze
Each time you roll an unmodified hit roll of 6 in the Fight phase for a model in a friendly NOVOKH unit that is within 6" of your Warlord, you can make one additional hit roll for that model with the same weapon against the same target. These additional hit rolls cannot themselves generate any further hit rolls.

Okay so identical with goffs then. No 3 attacks with those indeed.

Hmm, so I see the context for hit rolls vs attacks. The way I'm reading it is like so:

Case 1: Swing with the 3-for-1 profile for 18 hit rolls, you can then use the additional hit rolls using the flat 6 profile.

Case 2: Swing with the 3-for-1 profile for 18 hit rolls, you can use the 3-for-1 profile again but since it's not considered a full 'attack', you only gives 1 hit roll for each 6.

Case 3: Swing with the flat 6 profile, you can use the additional hits rolls to swing with the 3-for-1 profile, but since it's not considered a full 'attack', you only get 1 hit roll for each 6.

Case 4: Swing with the flat 6 profile, you can then use the additional hit rolls to swing using the flat 6 profile.

So cases 2 and 3 are neutured, but cases 1 and 4 are still strong.

Don't know what world case 3 happens in, it might be an option if you're taking the optimistic interpretation but I don't think there is any arguement that you would be forced to make additional attacks with the weaker profile. Case 2/4 is the conservative reading and doesn't ignore any of the text like the optimistic reading does. With the optimistic reading of making 18 attacks weaker attack and 4 bonus regular attacks you're ignoring the fact that it says "when you attack with this weapon" and Crimson Haze providing additional hit rolls rather than new separate attacks.

 iGuy91 wrote:
In your games, has the Synaptic Obliterators/Transdimensional Projector Combo proven to be superior as the math predicted, or have you seen otherwise?

The Obliterators have been performing very poorly in many of the games in which I've used it. Between people making 5+ invulnerable saves, having a 6+ FNP, rolling 1s to wound etc. etc it often falls just short. Doing 6 damage to a 12W tank or 5 to a 6 W Venom is almost useless if you can't follow it up. I've played several games where it did nothing on T1, but I don't think I would have had the games where I one-shot things as often if I'd gone with the basic option. The Obliterator is best against multi-Knight lists and lists with normal vehicles (Rhinos, Land Raiders, Leman Russes) the other option is better against things with an invul save and/or a T<8, so things like the 3++ Castellan the Obliterator is just going to get saved, you're getting 2,7 hits, 2,2 wounds, maybe one failed save but then your opponent just CP re-rolls, against Venoms you just want weight of dice to avoid your opponent saving themselves with a lucky roll.


I won a game against a Grey Knights player with a Land Raider going second using my Pylon/triple Night Scythe list. He brought a list that wasn't competetive, technically I did as well. It just so happens that his list was the worst counter to mine possible. I went second, he got slaughtered. I'm not sure why I had shadowlooms on my TBs, with the Pylon in my list they didn't benefit at all.


I lost a game against SW going second with my Supreme Novokh Construct Neph Bat list, I forgot MWBD T1 and my Flayed Ones entirely again... I'm going to get a chalkboard and write down to remember to DS my FOs 100 times. Construct did okay, but some good damage rolls cut its rampage short. Destroyer Lords were bad. With average rolls and an extra squad of 20 FOs the game would've been mine. Maube I'll place the FOs on the board and get Veil of Darkness on my WL to do a T1 deep strike.

I won a game against CSM going second with the same list. My opponent whiffed with his Obliterators into my Construct and charged it with a DP, Ahriman and his Chaos Lord. Construct lost 4 wounds, ate 5 CP, removed those 3 characters and made my opponent surrender. Destroyer Lord took focus off the Construct and lived with his relic, +1 for not being useless. The other Destroyer Lord did a couple of wounds to my WL because he was hacked by a Tzeentch spell, he's clamouring to be removed from my list at this point, the only good thing was how useless he was even at betraying me, he wasn't even able to kill my WL so my opponent's DP had to deal the final wounds to get my WL to trigger his Casket.

 Aenarel wrote:
First leaks from French Wargame Studio, the guy is pretty much always spot on when he reveals things (since he gets it directly from GW) so you can probably take the following for granted:

- Land Speeder to 50 points.
- Chapter Approved for the 15 of December (approximately)
-Crisis suits a little over 30 pts
- Not much nerfs and mostly ups.
- Named characters cost a lot less, to the point that they may become auto-includes. Castellan Crow is now 80 points and Trajann droped by 75 pts for example.
- Codex SoB release for oct/nov 2019
- Farsight to 125pts
- Eldrad is 15 points cheaper
- +3pts on shining spears
- +60/70 pts for the Necron super heavy (more than likely the Tesseract Vault)
- No change for Abaddon
- Chos cultists to 5pts
- Deathwatch (and more generally all space marines) droped by 5-10%
- Draigo << 200pts
- Intercessor had a very small points drop.
-Warden Custodes' cost is now closer to their troops, the terminators also got a reduction.
- Almost no nerfs for the IK (nothing on the small ones, a bit on the big ones). 

What do you guys think about the vault going up and that IK got almost no nerfs?? Looks really stupid to me. I hope this isnt true

Ctanforlife wrote:

 Aenarel wrote:
First leaks from French Wargame Studio, the guy is pretty much always spot on when he reveals things (since he gets it directly from GW) so you can probably take the following for granted:

- Land Speeder to 50 points.
- Chapter Approved for the 15 of December (approximately)
-Crisis suits a little over 30 pts
- Not much nerfs and mostly ups.
- Named characters cost a lot less, to the point that they may become auto-includes. Castellan Crow is now 80 points and Trajann droped by 75 pts for example.
- Codex SoB release for oct/nov 2019
- Farsight to 125pts
- Eldrad is 15 points cheaper
- +3pts on shining spears
- +60/70 pts for the Necron super heavy (more than likely the Tesseract Vault)
- No change for Abaddon
- Chos cultists to 5pts
- Deathwatch (and more generally all space marines) droped by 5-10%
- Draigo << 200pts
- Intercessor had a very small points drop.
-Warden Custodes' cost is now closer to their troops, the terminators also got a reduction.
- Almost no nerfs for the IK (nothing on the small ones, a bit on the big ones). 

What do you guys think about the vault going up and that IK got almost no nerfs?? Looks really stupid to me. I hope this isnt true

"Necron players have found a list that randomly takes games off other top lists. What should we do?"
"Nerf it since it's clearly OP"

In all seriousness, if they address the rest of the units in the codex, I'm not too worried about it.

I dont think it looks good if the first noteworthy rumor/leak of CA for necrons is a nerf...

EDIT: Im literally prepared for the worst. They can only supeise me!

I mean what would even justify a 70(!) points increase. Why not sth like 20 points and go from there? Otherwise one could justify a 200 pt decrease on the monolith

Biasn wrote:
I mean what would even justify a 70(!) points increase. Why not sth like 20 points and go from there? Otherwise one could justify a 200 pt decrease on the monolith

Can you believe it? one Vault costs 566!!!!!! points if this is true

I get a Knight for under 400!!!!

Lmao. I knew I was wise not to follow that Vault list trend!

That being said, no points drops at all? Ooof. Thats disappointing. I was hoping to at least get a point or so off our infantry, and a few points off the HQs.

We dont know it yet...those are still only rumors!

More and more rumors coming our way...but still nothing for necrons.

I think ive never been so excited for a rules update

We're getting into a cycle of MOBA-like patch updates where you just sit and wait, hoping that your favorite faction/character is getting buffed this patch...

Of course, the difference is that you don't spend hundreds of dollars on your favorite character in a MOBA.

 Arachnofiend wrote:
We're getting into a cycle of MOBA-like patch updates where you just sit and wait, hoping that your favorite faction/character is getting buffed this patch...

Of course, the difference is that you don't spend hundreds of dollars on your favorite character in a MOBA.

...maybe YOU don’t...

 Arachnofiend wrote:
We're getting into a cycle of MOBA-like patch updates where you just sit and wait, hoping that your favorite faction/character is getting buffed this patch...

Of course, the difference is that you don't spend hundreds of dollars on your favorite character in a MOBA.

Make Anti-Mage great again.

I'm OK with the vault going up, if it means everything else went down. If they just Nerf the Vault and Destroyers, and give us a few token points drops, I'm going to be very angry.

I don't think we will see any real major point drops. From the last CA and the FAQ's major point changes have been in increasing not decreasing. That has been GW's MO so I realistically think we will get a one point drop on about 3 units and then the 30+ point increase on the Vault.

Pyrothem wrote:
I don't think we will see any real major point drops. From the last CA and the FAQ's major point changes have been in increasing not decreasing. That has been GW's MO so I realistically think we will get a one point drop on about 3 units and then the 30+ point increase on the Vault.

Thats what Im prepared for actually...

Everyone knew crisis suits needed to be buffed before last CA, and they didn't get it until this one. Might end up being the same for crons this time around.

Pyrothem wrote:
I don't think we will see any real major point drops. From the last CA and the FAQ's major point changes have been in increasing not decreasing. That has been GW's MO so I realistically think we will get a one point drop on about 3 units and then the 30+ point increase on the Vault.

60/70 not 30

Pyrothem wrote:
I don't think we will see any real major point drops. From the last CA and the FAQ's major point changes have been in increasing not decreasing. That has been GW's MO so I realistically think we will get a one point drop on about 3 units and then the 30+ point increase on the Vault.

From the leaks there are far more points drops than bumps. It's just that they've all been for other factions, particularly Space Marines (though Tau are getting a lot of adjustments on their weaker units too).

 Arachnofiend wrote:

Pyrothem wrote:
I don't think we will see any real major point drops. From the last CA and the FAQ's major point changes have been in increasing not decreasing. That has been GW's MO so I realistically think we will get a one point drop on about 3 units and then the 30+ point increase on the Vault.

From the leaks there are far more points drops than bumps. It's just that they've all been for other factions, particularly Space Marines (though Tau are getting a lot of adjustments on their weaker units too).

To be fair, we still haven't seen our page.
There might be drops, and earlier in the thread there was someone who said there will be.

Yeah, I didn't mean to imply I don't think we'll get any adjustments. I'd be pretty surprised if we didn't at least see equivalent price drops to keep "on par" with our equivalent Marines.

I suspect that our costs might end up the same as Killteam , points cost. Deathmarks, Immortals and Flayed Ones are a little cheaper, iirc.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I suspect that our costs might end up the same as Killteam , points cost. Deathmarks, Immortals and Flayed Ones are a little cheaper, iirc.

I would be very surprised, and delighted, if flayed ones got kill team costs since that's like a 7ppm drop

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I suspect that our costs might end up the same as Killteam , points cost. Deathmarks, Immortals and Flayed Ones are a little cheaper, iirc.

I would be very surprised, and delighted, if flayed ones got kill team costs since that's like a 7ppm drop

They should really be that cheap. Flayed ones are not 17 point models.
Sure, they can deep strike, have that leadership debuff and get rerolls, but they are still Armor 4+ with no armor pen, and no bonus to their charges. If they don't make their charge after arriving they will die, and even if they do get the charge they might not get a kill.

Flayed Ones aren't terrible for the math. They just can't GET anywhere to fight.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Flayed Ones aren't terrible for the math. They just can't GET anywhere to fight.

Yep, which is why 17 points isn't right for them.
If they can't perform their job reliably, then they shouldn't pay a premium.
Its why orks are so cheap; because they tend to die before getting in.

 cole1114 wrote:
Everyone knew crisis suits needed to be buffed before last CA, and they didn't get it until this one. Might end up being the same for crons this time around.

I don't know, They've had a long time to pull data about Necrons, so I have hope.

I also remember several rumors back in the day of people speaking with staff at the events, mentioning that Necrons would get some serious love in CA.

Just have to wait...

They also said that Necrons would get the biggest change from index to codex... what really changed?

Wraiths up to 2 damage and up in points?

Pyrothem wrote:
They also said that Necrons would get the biggest change from index to codex... what really changed?

Wraiths up to 2 damage and up in points?

While your hyperbole is great and all, there were a lot of changes from the Index to the codex. Dynasties, stratagems, artifacts. Several units got significant buffs like destroyers and the DD Ark, C'tan, the Vault, etc..etc.. I'm not going to go through every single change, but yes, the changes were significant.

That being said, they clearly failed when it came to points costs for many units. If we go by what they said, this has been recognized and we should get some appropriate drops to many of our units. I am hopeful at least.

Had a véry short game against a Raven guard gunline of hellblasters, lasdevs and predators.

I won't go into my list in full detail but two things:

Quantum Shielding is just so amazing when your opponent has no answer to it.
When the Deceiver rolls well (going first, roll a 3 for Grand Illusion).... hoooly gak. 40x Warriors and a Cryptek, followed by an Overlord who Veil'd up 10 Tesla Immortals. (Mephrit btw)

Killed 10 Hellblasters, 8 Devastators and plucked the odd scout here and there. The two DDA's made mincemeat of a Predator. My opponent conceded at the start of his turn....

How did he fail to bypass quantum shielding with hellblasters? You must have rolled a lot of ones.

He just said that he went first, and the marine player conceded T1...