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2019/02/25 18:49:26
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
IHateNids wrote: yeah, I have 5 unbuilt, and 5 more + a deciever are my last needed purchases (unless we get Vigilus toys, but I doubt it)
Yeah, i'm not holding my breath either.
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MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/02/25 21:17:28
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Okay thanks guys so the best way to deal with Imperial Knights in my opinion or at least with my list is with tesla, I was at my wits end until I saw that the wound chart is different in 8th edition. Mass str 5 attacks wounding on a 5+ is a reliable way for my list or any list that includes large amounts of Tesla weapons to deal with them effectively.
Another question this one is about Lychguard and Guardian Protocol. If I am reading this correctly a lychguard can turn lets say a doomsday cannon shot that was suppose to do 6 damage to a simple mortal wound on a 2+! Am I right or wrong about Guardian Protocol?
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Yeah, Lychguard are our Shield Drones, but only for characters
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2019/02/26 11:08:02
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I often get confused about shield drone type effects, but I don't think you get to reduce a multi damage shot to 1 MW on a Lychguard. Guardian Protocols triggers when a character "loses a wound" so if you lose 4 wounds from a Lascannon, you would have to pass off 4 MW.
It seems most useful in CC.
2019/02/26 11:19:01
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Nope, it has the exact same wording as a Shield Drone, so it functions the exact same way.
AFAIK, we haven't had an FAQ on this yet, so thats the leading interpretation
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2019/02/26 11:30:32
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
(note I don't have tau codex and don't have necron codex at hand so I'm going by battlescribe so could be error)
Saviour Protocols: If a <SEPT> INFANTRY or <SEPT> BATTLESUIT unit within 3" of a friendly <SEPT> DRONES unit is wounded by an enemy attack, roll a D6. On a 2+ you can allocate that wound to the Drones unit instead of the target. If you do, that Drones unit suffers a mortal wound instead of the normal damage. (Codex: T'au Empire pvar)
Is wounded. You roll to hit, roll to wound. Your attack wounds by now so saviour protocol kicks in.
Roll a D6 each time a friendly <DYNASTY> CHARACTER loses a wound whilst they are within 3" of this unit; on a 2+ a model from this unit can intercept that hit - the character does not lose a wound but this unit suffers a mortal wound.
Roll a dice each time a model with this Kultur loses a wound. On a 6, the wound is not lost. If a model has a similar abilitiy (e.g. the Supa-Cybork Shiny Gubbinz or Ramshackle ability) you can choose which ability to use when a model loses a wound, but you cannot use both.
Note both necron ability and snakebite FNP wannabe says "loses a wound". After to wound you roll damage and you lose a wound for each damage you suffer...
So as much as it sucks barring FAQ changing thing or battlescribe having wording screwed up seems necron version IS indeed inferior. Or else ork snakebite is FNP superior or all FNP type abilities will negate full damage...
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2019/02/26 11:36:19
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I think that one comes down to the semantical difference between being "wounded" and "decreasing your wound count", because the latter is carried out after rolling Damage
I seem to recall reading a thread where the concensus was that it worked the same (although I'll admit my own mistake on the wording)
EDIT: I realised I made no sense, so allow me to clarify.
The moment you fail a save, you have been wounded, and therefore are losing a wound. Multi-damage weapons make you lose more than 1 "wound" (which should just be HP at this point) from each successful Wound Roll
I think the decision got to was that once a character is in a position to be decreasing wound counters (i.e. losing HP) but before the damage is rolled, the Lychguard can jumpin the way a-la Shield Drone
Although, RAW, it seems I'm out of luck
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2019/02/26 12:04:25
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Thing is wording between wording of tau and necron are clearly different(caveat being battlescribe as source). Meanwhile necron and orks are identical...Ergo if that roll negates all wounds from d6 damage that would mean ork snakebite would negate d6 entirely with 6+. And indeed death guard with their 5+. And fnp'like's would be be basically extra inv save.
And attack process goes roll to hit, roll to wound, roll for DAMAGE. You allocate wound to model(model gets wounded) and then roll for damage. You are wounded when you succesfully are allocated wound. Which then kicks in tau ability. Losing wounds meanwhile is after damage roll.
I'm convinced it's lousy for necrons as per raw but also it should be errata'ed to work like tau wording. 2 abilities that are nearly same but have that big rule? Nope. No good.
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2019/02/26 13:10:28
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
tneva82 wrote: Thing is wording between wording of tau and necron are clearly different(caveat being battlescribe as source). Meanwhile necron and orks are identical...Ergo if that roll negates all wounds from d6 damage that would mean ork snakebite would negate d6 entirely with 6+. And indeed death guard with their 5+. And fnp'like's would be be basically extra inv save.
And attack process goes roll to hit, roll to wound, roll for DAMAGE. You allocate wound to model(model gets wounded) and then roll for damage. You are wounded when you succesfully are allocated wound. Which then kicks in tau ability. Losing wounds meanwhile is after damage roll.
I'm convinced it's lousy for necrons as per raw but also it should be errata'ed to work like tau wording. 2 abilities that are nearly same but have that big rule? Nope. No good.
For precisions, the Tau codex has also Crisis bodyguard which have bodyguard rule with a wording similar to the Lychguard.
Imho it is intented for the Drone to have a different rule, it is not an omission or an error. The fact that it is infinitely a better rule is somewhat disappointing when you factor the costs of the respective units though ...
2019/02/26 13:15:06
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
If you wanted a definitive answer someone would need to check the Space Marne codex....
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2019/02/26 15:27:03
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Is it a dick move to run a Seraptek in a local 2v2 1k points a player tournament? Is it a terrible idea?
I feel as though someone doing that with a Castellan would also be frowned upon.
Basically i'd have a patrol with an Overlord and Tesla immortals and a Super Heavy Auxiliary. Silly? or no?
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MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/02/26 17:26:15
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Is it a friendly tournament or one with prize support? If it has prizes, run the Seraptek.
Giving up your chance of winning to not be a "dick" just gives the win to the people willing to do it. I should add, though, that this is only for list constructing; being a miserable rules lawyer who makes up rulings or knowingly misinterprets things? That's just poor sportsmanship.
If it's a friendly event though, yeah that makes it different lol.
2019/02/26 20:29:02
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Can a list that has 3 c'tan be competitive? If so which ones would you bring and what units would you take with them?
If you are going to any tournament your number one thing you should be prepared to face is the Castallen. You must have a way to deal with it or play around it I think it can easily one shot the tesseract ark but I may be wrong.
That looks really scary. I really like your list. It should work for sure. Maybe you're kinda light on anti-infantry, maybe swap the destroyers for Tesla Tomb blades, but besides that it looks super solid.
CKO wrote:Can a list that has 3 c'tan be competitive? If so which ones would you bring and what units would you take with them?
If you are going to any tournament your number one thing you should be prepared to face is the Castallen. You must have a way to deal with it or play around it I think it can easily one shot the tesseract ark but I may be wrong.
You're not wrong, but you're definitely not right. The Tesseract Ark has Quantum Shielding and a 5++ invulnerable save (T7 and 10W). It's one of the more survivable things in the list. (maybe except the wraiths)
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2019/02/27 00:29:00
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
That looks really scary. I really like your list. It should work for sure. Maybe you're kinda light on anti-infantry, maybe swap the destroyers for Tesla Tomb blades, but besides that it looks super solid.
Is it either worth not running any wraiths? They make for a good screen and can disrupt their backline quite well.
If I increase the list to 2000 I can add 8 gauss Tomb Blades with shieldvanes for some extra anti horde capabilities.
I think i would rather drop the tesseract ark than my destroyers to be honest if I needed some more anti horde capabilities.
2019/02/27 06:15:41
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Do Necron Warriors put up a good resistance against Tau gun lines? (Fire Teams, Breacher Teams and Broadsides)? Is it worth investing in The Deceiver C'Tan instead with a screen of Scarabs?
From looking at the general stats, it seems the resilience of Necrons get completely shredded by Tau guns.
2019/02/27 08:20:43
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
elook wrote: Do Necron Warriors put up a good resistance against Tau gun lines? (Fire Teams, Breacher Teams and Broadsides)? Is it worth investing in The Deceiver C'Tan instead with a screen of Scarabs?
From looking at the general stats, it seems the resilience of Necrons get completely shredded by Tau guns.
Im afraid not, for these reasons:
-Tau have a good amount of S5 firepower in the form of pulse rifles and smart missile systems.
-Warriors rely on not being focussed by firepower, or at least make the enemy fire inefficient weapons at them to finish a unit off. Tau excel at focussing one unit thanks to markerlights.
And then there is the age-old problem with the Deceiver that you kinda nééd to go first and roll at least 2 on his grand illusion roll.
2019/02/27 09:41:05
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
elook wrote: Do Necron Warriors put up a good resistance against Tau gun lines? (Fire Teams, Breacher Teams and Broadsides)? Is it worth investing in The Deceiver C'Tan instead with a screen of Scarabs?
From looking at the general stats, it seems the resilience of Necrons get completely shredded by Tau guns.
Im afraid not, for these reasons:
-Tau have a good amount of S5 firepower in the form of pulse rifles and smart missile systems.
-Warriors rely on not being focussed by firepower, or at least make the enemy fire inefficient weapons at them to finish a unit off. Tau excel at focussing one unit thanks to markerlights.
And then there is the age-old problem with the Deceiver that you kinda nééd to go first and roll at least 2 on his grand illusion roll.
It also helps to run wraiths in his face turn 1, but again, you really need to go first.
if you go second, do remember to play the army wide cover stratagem
2019/02/27 11:22:21
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Vs Tau, one thing i found VERY good, was Tesla Immortals (Go figure)
Using Phaeron's will, i was able to advance 20 of them forward 11 inches, and then completely zap all the shield drones protecting broadsides with weight of fire.
After that was done, the doomsday arks wiped them off the board, and destroyers went tank hunting.
After that, I actually managed to follow up in turn 2 with a wraith and Nightbringer combo into his army. He spent most of his firepower killing the wraiths.
I'd say if you're confident in your 3+ saves, yes, wraiths make a great fire magnet
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MajorStoffer wrote:
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Sternguard though, those guys are all about kicking ass. They'd chew bubble gum as well, but bubble gum is heretical. Only tau chew gum.
2019/02/27 16:08:19
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
p5freak wrote: Nephrekh wraith dont need a deceiver. They are in fact better, because they can charge turn 1. Move and advance 18", play adaptive subroutines.
Yoi deceiver the warriors and run the wraiths. Running wraiths draw fire from warriors. Ideally.
2019/02/27 20:46:42
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
CKO wrote: If you have 2 ghost arks by a warrior squad can they re-animate 3 times?
No, you get the standard RP at the start of the turn then your target unit that is in range of a Ghost Ark get a second RP roll after the movement phase. Regardless of how many Ghost Arks are in range you will only ever get a second RP for those Warriors.
2019/02/27 21:43:21
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
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