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Well certainly necrons don't come much better in terms of competive build. Standard list of overlord/imotek, cryptek, 3x10 immortal, 3xddda, 3sdoom scythe and maybe 6xdestroyers or 9xtomb blade don't come all that much cheaper. We get maybe 2 extra scarab swarm.

Internal balance for more casual games improves. I can live with that since I don't play on hardcore competive meta so I get quite a bit but for hardcore tournament players yeah not much here :(

IanVanCheese wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Not bad idea. Well except 3 heavy destroyers. No way I'm dropping dda for them. Nor paying 1 CP for them either.

Also 6 ghost arks is getting bit expensive So at least for start I think I would stick with 4 ark version ;-) I ain't made of gold!

Crap, forgot you only had one detachment. I'm just looking at the meta right now, it's either minus to hit flyers or 2+ save stealthy Iron Hands - both of which are terrible matchups for Tesla.

I think I'm going to actually use warriors as troops, stick them in the Ghost Arks and do the Necron version of Venom Spam. With only 1 detachment, it's a toss up between Mephrit and Nihilakh for your list. I'd be tempted to go full Quantum Shield Online, sneak a CCB in there with those spare points then you can have a Nihilakh Spearhead and a Mephrit Battalion.

Venom Spam works because the occupants can safely shoot from the Venom.

tneva82 wrote:
Well certainly necrons don't come much better in terms of competive build. Standard list of overlord/imotek, cryptek, 3x10 immortal, 3xddda, 3sdoom scythe and maybe 6xdestroyers or 9xtomb blade don't come all that much cheaper. We get maybe 2 extra scarab swarm.

Internal balance for more casual games improves. I can live with that since I don't play on hardcore competive meta so I get quite a bit but for hardcore tournament players yeah not much here :(

Pretty much my thoughts, though I don't think the above will be our best build anymore, as much due to meta changes as points. I think QS spam or weirdly lychguard/wraith spam will be better at holding the board in standard missions. God knows with ITC.

Edit:

Venom Spam works because the occupants can safely shoot from the Venom.

True, but I'm thinking more in terms of "you kill the ghost ark holding the objective, out pop ten warriors who still hold it". I don't think we can keep up in a killing competition anymore.

IanVanCheese wrote:
Crap, forgot you only had one detachment. I'm just looking at the meta right now, it's either minus to hit flyers or 2+ save stealthy Iron Hands - both of which are terrible matchups for Tesla.

Yeh the HQ tax is bit annoying. Though albeit with new prices that might ease up a bit though cryptek still 80 pts. GW is def overvaluing that one. Another overlord is getting more appealing choise.

BTW did the stealthy thing count as cover? Aka does solar pulse negate it? (for some reason numarines are rather sparse locally so...)

And I love the automatic 6" advance. It keeps giving me vp's steadily allowing me to reach objectives easily.


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IanVanCheese wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Well certainly necrons don't come much better in terms of competive build. Standard list of overlord/imotek, cryptek, 3x10 immortal, 3xddda, 3sdoom scythe and maybe 6xdestroyers or 9xtomb blade don't come all that much cheaper. We get maybe 2 extra scarab swarm.

Internal balance for more casual games improves. I can live with that since I don't play on hardcore competive meta so I get quite a bit but for hardcore tournament players yeah not much here :(

Pretty much my thoughts, though I don't think the above will be our best build anymore, as much due to meta changes as points. I think QS spam or weirdly lychguard/wraith spam will be better at holding the board in standard missions. God knows with ITC.

Not sold on lychguard. Mere 2 point drop doesn't help there. Also QS spam suffers from current meta of D2 spam to deal with primaris marines :-/ But we'll see. Wraiths do look interesting. Good thing I have second unit ready to be assembled! Just LOTR getting in the way. That and need to replace airbrush as last one broke.

tneva82 wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:
Crap, forgot you only had one detachment. I'm just looking at the meta right now, it's either minus to hit flyers or 2+ save stealthy Iron Hands - both of which are terrible matchups for Tesla.

Yeh the HQ tax is bit annoying. Though albeit with new prices that might ease up a bit though cryptek still 80 pts. GW is def overvaluing that one. Another overlord is getting more appealing choise.

BTW did the stealthy thing count as cover? Aka does solar pulse negate it? (for some reason numarines are rather sparse locally so...)

And I love the automatic 6" advance. It keeps giving me vp's steadily allowing me to reach objectives easily.

Ghost Arks move 12, you're fine for mobility. Yeah, they count as in cover so you can Solar Pulse, but that's only one unit of Immortals since it affects the unit shooting, not the unit being hit by the solar pulse for some bizarre reason.

With his drop, I'm almost eyeing up the Destroyer Lord again as a little suicide pain in the arse. Give him the Phylactery and Warscythe, he's 114pts and hard as nails, plus he can get back up when he dies (twice if you use the strat too).

Edit: I don't think D2 is going to be the meta for much longer. Between Marines and Sisters, spamming low AP, D2/D3 weaponry isn't going to cut it anymore.

What are the best units to support a full unit of Destroyers?

I'm thinking a Cryptek with a chronometron to support RP and give a 5++.
And a regular Lord, to give the rerolls of 1 to wound.

Both will be Nephrekh dynasty so they can keep up with the Destroyers.

An actual Destroyer Lord seems strangely like a bad choice to me as he wants to be in combat, where as they don't.

No need for lord. For 1CP you reroll all hits and all to wounds. Forget about rerolling 1's to wound. Vs vehicles that's not much help. With strategem rerolling 1-4 you have 55% chance to wound T7-T11 so you will wreck stuff a lot(indeed 14 wounds vs leman russ type of vehicle).

So for support cryptek only one of concern but not sure if that's good enough anyway. They are high priority so basically you just slow down death. Likely dead in one turn anyway.

(one of the nice thing about destroyers is precisely no need for character support so they can be elsewhere from your main castle. Helps with dealing with stuff out of LOS to main castle, helps with objectives)

Thanks makes sense to me.

tneva82 wrote:
No need for lord. For 1CP you reroll all hits and all to wounds. Forget about rerolling 1's to wound. Vs vehicles that's not much help. With strategem rerolling 1-4 you have 55% chance to wound T7-T11 so you will wreck stuff a lot(indeed 14 wounds vs leman russ type of vehicle).

So for support cryptek only one of concern but not sure if that's good enough anyway. They are high priority so basically you just slow down death. Likely dead in one turn anyway.

(one of the nice thing about destroyers is precisely no need for character support so they can be elsewhere from your main castle. Helps with dealing with stuff out of LOS to main castle, helps with objectives)

To be fair, the 5++ sounds more enticing on them than anything else in the army.

Heading to a team tournament tomorrow, all four of us running Necrons. Rule of three covers the entire team, so we've got four weird lists:

Warrior spam (100 warriors, Szeras, 2 Ghost Arks, Nightbringer)
Deceiver Bomb with a Pylon
Combat Crons (Lychguard, 12 Wraiths, 3 Doom Scythes)

and my list is the classic crons
Imotekh, Cryptek, Lord, 3 x 10 Tesla Immortals, 3 x DDA, 1 Triarch Stalker, 6 Destroyers, 5 Scarabs.

Not expecting to do well, but it'll be a laugh. Wish us luck.

 Arachnofiend wrote:

 Jancoran wrote:

elook wrote:

Top competitive players consider all units and synergies to get the most out of them. d.

Top competitive players? I mean... um... So if like I was one of those, and I told you they were good, it sounds like you might beleive me then. Is... that right?

I'm pretty sure if flayed ones won a major somebody on this site would know about it other than you

Yup. Pretty sure also. But then...the fact that Necrons would even be mentioned in that breathe would be far more noteworthy at that point. Lol.

Surely you dont think anyone here, after reading this thread, is suggesting that Flayed Ones are going to cause you to win a GT? That was never suggested. the OPPOSITE of that was explicitly said. So. There's that. Don't hold your breathe.


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elook wrote:
If I saw your name in the top 4 weekly round ups of Majors or GTs using Flayed Ones, or even a top performing list using Flayed Ones, then your point may be worth considering.

Let's hope their points get tweaked to a point that they may be good.

Okay so just to be clear, the opinion of a top General wouldn't sway you. You'd actually have to be a TOP general AND choose to play Necrons... Just to be clear... at a GT... and make the top few spots...again with Necrons just to be clear... for you to believe it. I see.

Yeah, it doesn't matter whether you took Flayed ones or you didn't. That just isn't very likely.

And yeah. Let's hope they get a points decrease. Maybe you'd get your wish then. A weak maybe.

Flayed Ones got 4 pts cheaper, if you can't top a tournament with them now you couldn't do well with them before either.

Necrons are one of the best marine counter imo, with nearly 58% win rate vs astartes

T1nk4bell wrote:
Necrons are one of the best marine counter imo, with nearly 58% win rate vs astartes

What's driving those wins?

We always did have a lot of medium strength, decent AP, weapons, geared towards elitish infantry. I feared SM would out-damage us though.

 vict0988 wrote:
Flayed Ones got 4 pts cheaper, if you can't top a tournament with them now you couldn't do well with them before either.

A flayed one bomb with deceiver, zahndrek and obyron is still 680 pts. And you need first turn

 p5freak wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:
Flayed Ones got 4 pts cheaper, if you can't top a tournament with them now you couldn't do well with them before either.

A flayed one bomb with deceiver, zahndrek and obyron is still 680 pts. And you need first turn

Compared to 840 it's a Doomsday Ark better. If Combat Doctrines and/or the best Marine sub-factions get nerfed Necrons could be top tier. I think Eldar are getting a lot of buffs to compensate for the flyer nerfs, Reece from FLG hinted at it at least. Custodes did not get any buffs which is very good news for Crons.

I just watched SS82's rundown of the new CA points values, and he read the Seraptek Heavy Construct at 325 points.

Surely that can't be right

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
I just watched SS82's rundown of the new CA points values, and he read the Seraptek Heavy Construct at 325 points.

Surely that can't be right

That must be base points right? Before adding the costs for the weapon sets?

 Mixzremixzd wrote:

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
I just watched SS82's rundown of the new CA points values, and he read the Seraptek Heavy Construct at 325 points.

Surely that can't be right

That must be base points right? Before adding the costs for the weapon sets?

No, the weapons have a cost of 0. But he has to have misread it or something. 325 is far too low

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:

 Mixzremixzd wrote:

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
I just watched SS82's rundown of the new CA points values, and he read the Seraptek Heavy Construct at 325 points.

Surely that can't be right

That must be base points right? Before adding the costs for the weapon sets?

No, the weapons have a cost of 0. But he has to have misread it or something. 325 is far too low

Yeah just watched the video now and goodness me a 325 Seraptek, if true, is a completely braindead move by GW considering they left Kutlakh at 200, brought Imotekh down to 140 and the Monolith to 300. I'm gonna have to wait n see on this one...

It's still 625 you can see it in the video.

Well that makes a lot more sense, I tried to look closer but eyesight isn't my greatest sense.

 vict0988 wrote:
It's still 625 you can see it in the video.

Yeah, figured that would be the case

The Tomb Sentinel and Tomb Stalker at 130 and 110 respectively have seen a decent drop though. Probably not enough to make them good, but maybe something to consider

Clearly not. Nothing of opinion. The Necron lists ranked high in GTs and Majors, as well as my experience playing various units, are what I take into consideration of what units make Necrons effective at a competitive level. If you're implying that Necrons are incapable of that then maybe you need to check the numerous sources of recent results on Necrons for yourself.

Some more reveals from CA, this time Necron melee weapons and wargear courtesty of reddit. Summary for those who hate reading blurry images or scrolling through youtube videos:

Voidblades - 4pts
Voidscythe - 12 (Definitely a winner imo, if only we had reliable transports...)
Warscythe - 9
Whip Coils - 4


Canoptek Cloak - 5
Chronometron - 15 (Hmmm)
Dispersion Shield - 6
Fabricator Claw Array - 5
Gloom Prism - 5
Nebuloscope - 2
Phylactery - 10
Resurrection Orb - 18 (Interesting, shame Warriors didn't get dropped otherwise it may have been the return of Silver Tide)
Shadowloom - 5
Shieldvanes - 3

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:

 vict0988 wrote:
It's still 625 you can see it in the video.

Yeah, figured that would be the case

The Tomb Sentinel and Tomb Stalker at 130 and 110 respectively have seen a decent drop though. Probably not enough to make them good, but maybe something to consider

Tomb Stalker isn't a bad piece at 110. They have decent mobility and all.

Ugh. Couldn't have made the Seraptek 50-75 points cheaper? Its made of wet tissue paper

just be happy it didnt get price hike. wouldn\t have been surprise,.

Wipe coils also crashed down.
Might be worth taking a few per squad now.

Kahi the Uncertain wrote:
I just watched SS82's rundown of the new CA points values, and he read the Seraptek Heavy Construct at 325 points.

Surely that can't be right

Did Acanthrites drop to 42 from 60? Including weapons?