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2019/12/11 08:31:35
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I find the durability, size and the gauss flayers too hard for me to pass up. Destroyers tend to die very fast. Don't expect heavy ones survive much better so they are bit more of one shot weapons for me. And those gauss flayers are helping me constantly.
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2019/12/11 13:00:26
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Yeah for me it's not a question of replacing Doomsday Arks, it's about supplementing them.
DDAs are multipurpose, good for clearing hordes, bullying marines, rushing up the board etc. I think Heavy Destroyers are just boosting our ability to take down mech walls and flyer spam.
3 x DDA and 3 x 10 Tesla Immortals is enough to clear any horde out there. But 3 DDAs isn't enough anti-tank to reliably take on Iron hands or Eldar Flyer spam.
2019/12/11 14:11:00
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Yeah DDAs are so much more than just anti tank, I can't see them going anywhere. The closest competition is probably a Ghost Ark + 3 Heavy Destroyers. That gives me a silly idea:
Spoiler:
2x Mephrit Spearheads:
Catacomb Command Barge
3x Heavy Destroyers
3x Heavy Destroyers
3x Heavy Destroyers
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Cryptek + Cloak
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
1993pts
Yes, that is 8 Ghost Arks and 3 Doomsday Arks. The only think that will save players from this monstrosity is that Crons will have a new codex before anyone can finish sticking that many Arks together.
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2019/12/11 14:20:23
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Moosatronic Warrior wrote: Yeah DDAs are so much more than just anti tank, I can't see them going anywhere. The closest competition is probably a Ghost Ark + 3 Heavy Destroyers. That gives me a silly idea:
Spoiler:
2x Mephrit Spearheads:
CCB Cryptek + Cloak
3x Heavy Destroyers
3x Heavy Destroyers
3x Heavy Destroyers
Yes, that is 8 Ghost Arks and 3 Doomsday Arks. The only think that will save players from this monstrosity is that Crons will have a new codex before anyone can finish sticking that many Arks together.
Very similar to the old Quantum Shielding Online lists that used to go around. In this case, I think you're better off going full quantum shielding and swapping the 9 Heavy Destroyers for three Triarch Stalkers. You lose 3 Heavy Guass shots, but gain some resiliience and don't give their anti-tank firepower an obvious target (because they'll just lascannon your heavyd estroyers). I do think QS spam will become more viable this year though as people are bringing more heavy firepower to deal with the meta (and sisters spam Melta as their AT, which we love).
2019/12/11 14:20:46
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
There wasn't much thought put into that list, but it has made me think that spamming Ghost Arks could be a very viable strategy. 120pts may have been too cheap.
2019/12/11 14:31:59
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Red Corsair, I thought the same thing, until I realized that I had skimmed over the CCB. That's 2 HQ, 6 Heavy. Absurd that you can take a dedicated transport Ark "for" a DDA!
2019/12/11 14:52:10
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Very similar to the old Quantum Shielding Online lists that used to go around. In this case, I think you're better off going full quantum shielding and swapping the 9 Heavy Destroyers for three Triarch Stalkers. You lose 3 Heavy Guass shots, but gain some resiliience and don't give their anti-tank firepower an obvious target (because they'll just lascannon your heavyd estroyers). I do think QS spam will become more viable this year though as people are bringing more heavy firepower to deal with the meta (and sisters spam Melta as their AT, which we love).
Not that we should be taking this list seriously, but 3 Stalkers have far less shooting than 9 Heavy Destroyers. They hit on 4's if they move and don't reroll ones, or benefit from MWBD, or Extermination Protocols.
Ideally the Cryptek would be a Destroyer Lord for reroll 1's to wound too:
Spoiler:
2x Mephrit Spearheads:
Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon, Sniper WL trait and Relic SoL
Doomsday Ark Doomsday Ark Doomsday Ark
Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark
Destroyer Lord with Hyperphase Sword
3x Heavy Destroyers 3x Heavy Destroyers 3x Heavy Destroyers
Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark
1999pts
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2019/12/11 14:58:49
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Well while d6 is better than dam2 keep in mind sister melta is marine style superior rule where melta boost is pure bonus. Roll 3(or 4) and 6? Pick lower. Negates a bit of qs bonus
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2019/12/11 15:10:41
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Not that we should be taking this list seriously, but 3 Stalkers have far less shooting than 9 Heavy Destroyers. They hit on 4's if they move and don't reroll ones, or benefit from MWBD, or Extermination Protocols.
Thats partially wrong. A stalker can benefit from another stalkers reroll 1s.
True, you lose quite a bit of firepower compared to the heavy destroyers, but if they're going to die to anti-tank weaponry turn 1 then you're not getting to use all that big gun. The point of spamming quantum shielding is to invalidate your opponents anti-tank weaponry. Giving them some other, juicy targets negates that advantage somewhat.
2019/12/11 15:25:42
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
p5freak wrote: Thats partially wrong. A stalker can benefit from another stalkers reroll 1s.
I am re-rolling my eyes at your nitpicking.
p5freak wrote: Thats hilarious
What's even more hilarious is that this list would be 351 points more expensive pre CA2019. Calm down GW!
IanVanCheese wrote:True, you lose quite a bit of firepower compared to the heavy destroyers, but if they're going to die to anti-tank weaponry turn 1 then you're not getting to use all that big gun. The point of spamming quantum shielding is to invalidate your opponents anti-tank weaponry. Giving them some other, juicy targets negates that advantage somewhat.
Heavy Destroyers are good at hiding, especially with 11 Arks to help them (even with the holes). I know what you mean with QS spam lists in general, but this one is lacking anti-tank without the Destroyers, and there is no decent replacement.
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2019/12/11 15:30:42
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Well need pretty odd model and some terrain to help. Unless there's terrain covering bottom of ark any model literally not hanging in air is seen. Even if destroyer itself is somehoh covered 100%(not even 1% visible) the base touching ground is. Fire away freely.
It's ridiculously easy to see. 30 orks in 6x5 formation? Grots behing can be shot
Show your heavy destroyers floating in air nothing touching ground
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2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2019/12/11 15:48:32
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I think with terrain, and units at different elevations, they will help to hide things. That's not something that seems worth debating anyway. Are we saying Heavy Destroyers are bad now? I understand that QS spam usually denies targets for certain weapons, and the HD's dilute that, but the point of the list is that 11 Arks are too hard to kill no matter what else is there to shoot at.
That being said, the list would undoubtedly still be horrible to face if the Heavy D's were swapped for Triarch Stalkers.
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2019/12/11 16:32:42
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Nothing GT winning but I want to play around with MWs and almost all of those units got cheaper in CA2019
This list should be 1996/7 points.
You cannot choose a ctan power for a second time, until all six have been chosen once each. If you want a power twice you have to substitute it later during the game with the strat for it.
2019/12/11 16:53:09
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Moosatronic Warrior wrote: I think with terrain, and units at different elevations, they will help to hide things. That's not something that seems worth debating anyway. Are we saying Heavy Destroyers are bad now? I understand that QS spam usually denies targets for certain weapons, and the HD's dilute that, but the point of the list is that 11 Arks are too hard to kill no matter what else is there to shoot at.
That being said, the list would undoubtedly still be horrible to face if the Heavy D's were swapped for Triarch Stalkers.
H.destroyers aren't bad but don't expect them to be hidden by another unit. Even rhino only blocks(to short enough) side to slde. Front to back base of attacker will draw line to base of target every time. Even small dot is enough. Dda isn't even solid.
If you try to block los with unit you will spend tons of time and fail anyway
2024 painted/bought: 109/109
2019/12/11 17:01:31
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Very similar to the old Quantum Shielding Online lists that used to go around. In this case, I think you're better off going full quantum shielding and swapping the 9 Heavy Destroyers for three Triarch Stalkers. You lose 3 Heavy Guass shots, but gain some resiliience and don't give their anti-tank firepower an obvious target (because they'll just lascannon your heavyd estroyers). I do think QS spam will become more viable this year though as people are bringing more heavy firepower to deal with the meta (and sisters spam Melta as their AT, which we love).
Not that we should be taking this list seriously, but 3 Stalkers have far less shooting than 9 Heavy Destroyers. They hit on 4's if they move and don't reroll ones, or benefit from MWBD, or Extermination Protocols.
Ideally the Cryptek would be a Destroyer Lord for reroll 1's to wound too:
Spoiler:
2x Mephrit Spearheads:
Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon, Sniper WL trait and Relic SoL
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
Doomsday Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Destroyer Lord with Hyperphase Sword
3x Heavy Destroyers
3x Heavy Destroyers
3x Heavy Destroyers
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
Ghost Ark
1999pts
I'd probably do the Dooms as Nihilakh. Otherwise I'm a fan of what's going on here.
CaptainStabby wrote: If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote: BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote: Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote: ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever.
2019/12/11 17:46:10
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Yeah, I expect to see a lot of Ghost Arks in tournament lists this year. For about the same price as 10 warriors you get the same firepower but also with increased movement, Fly, QS, Living Metal, increased toughness and wounds. It's a no-brainer to include them instead of troops.
Have to admit, I was really disappointed that Necron Warriors did not receive a points drop in CA19 while a lot of other Necron units did. IMO, every 40k army should contain a decent-sized portion of troops, but GW seems to have gone out of their way to ensure that Necron armies not take many troops.
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2019/12/11 18:15:14
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
If Warriors were cheaper it would be good to take 30 of them and stuff them in Arks. Similar to Venom Spam where you end up having to consider whether to blow up a transport on an objective if it is going to spill out a squad of ObSec troops.
2019/12/11 18:56:27
Subject: Re:Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Nothing GT winning but I want to play around with MWs and almost all of those units got cheaper in CA2019
This list should be 1996/7 points.
You cannot choose a ctan power for a second time, until all six have been chosen once each. If you want a power twice you have to substitute it later during the game with the strat for it.
Sucks to be me then...Makes this list much more worse than expected
2019/12/11 18:56:33
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Nothing GT winning but I want to play around with MWs and almost all of those units got cheaper in CA2019
This list should be 1996/7 points.
You cannot choose a ctan power for a second time, until all six have been chosen once each. If you want a power twice you have to substitute it later during the game with the strat for it.
But if you roll, and get the same power on different ones you're ok.
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2019/12/12 10:56:26
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
Slayer-Fan123 wrote: I'd probably do the Dooms as Nihilakh. Otherwise I'm a fan of what's going on here.
Nihilakh or Sautekh would be nice, but Mephrit makes all those Flayers AP-2 in rapid fire range, and there will be a lot of Flayers in rapid fire range. The plan for the list is for all the Ghost Ark pilots to shout "ramming speed!", fly forward as fast as possible, rapid fire, charge, then fall back and rapid fire again, rinse repeat. Taking down that many QS wounds would be difficult enough even without all your guns tied up in hth.
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:Ghost Arks need to be open topped again, period.
So much. Mephrit Warriors in open topped Ghost Arks would have been a viable thing for the whole of 8th edition, and massively change how crons play.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Giving more thought to the suggestion of having Triarch Stalkers instead of Heavy Destroyers, they might work as additional QS battering rams rather than anti tank platforms. Give them Heat Rays as they'll be getting close anyway:
Spoiler:
Mephrit Spearhead:
Catacomb Command Barge, Tesla Cannon, Sniper WL trait and Relic SoL
Doomsday Ark Doomsday Ark Doomsday Ark
Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark
Mephrit Vanguard:
Cloak-Tek
Triarch Stalker, Heat Ray Triarch Stalker, Heat Ray Triarch Stalker, Heat Ray
Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark Ghost Ark
1998pts
So now there would be 12 QS vehicles trying to tie the enemy up in HtH. But I think the reduced anti-tank firepower would make Mech Eldar lists full of Flyers and Grav tanks a problem, and maybe Knights too, and IH flyers. Basically anything that's a vehicle and can fall back and still shoot. Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see Quantum Battering Ram lists do well, especially if Psychic Awakening gives them any buffs.
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2019/12/12 16:13:16
Subject: Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]
I'd build it as a Ghost Ark without the broken Warriors in it, and also assemble the Doomsday Cannon. The cannon easily slots into the empty Ghost Ark so you can switch between them.
You might want to wait until after the Necrons get some Psychic Awakening love to see how that effects things before buying too much more stuff
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