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Except all PA stuff won't get transfered to codexes as per GW's statement so PA would still have additional rules.

In fact that's very much GW style. Make players buy 2 books for complete rules.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I reckon it’s because our codex is really soon (based on what Stu has been saying) so would be pointless to put stuff in here as it would instantly become redundant.

While that's fair enough, it's effectively another month or two bolted on to our being a big bag of gak prison sentence. Was hoping to have something new to mess around with at least, other than just Illuminor. Ah well, we waited millennia etc.

IanVanCheese wrote:
While that's fair enough, it's effectively another month or two bolted on to our being a big bag of gak prison sentence. Was hoping to have something new to mess around with at least, other than just Illuminor. Ah well, we waited millennia etc.

I often chuckle when you see topics about needing too much books to bring for a game. Play Necron. No Vigilus, No PA, No white dwarf , nothing but your Codex. But to have to wait at least two month more to have something new is quite a hype-killer for me. With the lockdown i was quite eager to play again soon, but not anymore.

Shaelinith wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:
While that's fair enough, it's effectively another month or two bolted on to our being a big bag of gak prison sentence. Was hoping to have something new to mess around with at least, other than just Illuminor. Ah well, we waited millennia etc.

I often chuckle when you see topics about needing too much books to bring for a game. Play Necron. No Vigilus, No PA, No white dwarf , nothing but your Codex. But to have to wait at least two month more to have something new is quite a hype-killer for me. With the lockdown i was quite eager to play again soon, but not anymore.

To be fair, we'll have some new stuff next month in the Indomitus box. New rules for all the new units at least.

Hard time believing that they will produce the same amount of Stratagems, Warlord traits and Relics in the Codex that every other non-forgeworld army now has.

Quite a few of the armies have the Base Codex and then PA added 4-8 Stratagems, 6 Warlord traits and 3-7 Relics, with most split into the different factions within the army.

With the new units in the Indomitus box, they better have the new Codex also available, as the way some of the abilities are worded, they won't work with our current version of Reanimation Protocol.

 Draco765 wrote:
Hard time believing that they will produce the same amount of Stratagems, Warlord traits and Relics in the Codex that every other non-forgeworld army now has.

Quite a few of the armies have the Base Codex and then PA added 4-8 Stratagems, 6 Warlord traits and 3-7 Relics, with most split into the different factions within the army.

With the new units in the Indomitus box, they better have the new Codex also available, as the way some of the abilities are worded, they won't work with our current version of Reanimation Protocol.

But the new codex will have the crusade content and will be one of the first to do so, which is a nice perk if you're not 100% competitive.

Dudeface wrote:

 Draco765 wrote:
Hard time believing that they will produce the same amount of Stratagems, Warlord traits and Relics in the Codex that every other non-forgeworld army now has.

Quite a few of the armies have the Base Codex and then PA added 4-8 Stratagems, 6 Warlord traits and 3-7 Relics, with most split into the different factions within the army.

With the new units in the Indomitus box, they better have the new Codex also available, as the way some of the abilities are worded, they won't work with our current version of Reanimation Protocol.

But the new codex will have the crusade content and will be one of the first to do so, which is a nice perk if you're not 100% competitive.

If I want to play this game, I am kind of forced to play in an competitive environment (closest game store is 90+ miles away where they ONLY play ITC rule set). That is not GWs fault (except for them closing the GW store where more casual players use to go), but anything that is not within the ITC environment is worthless for me to have.

The new morale rules help warrior blobs a bit. Losing 15 Warriors doesn't guarantee the unit is wiped out by morale anymore (or force you to spend CP/ run the WL trait that ignores it).

Moosatronic Warrior wrote:
The new morale rules help warrior blobs a bit. Losing 15 Warriors doesn't guarantee the unit is wiped out by morale anymore (or force you to spend CP/ run the WL trait that ignores it).

What was the change you saw? I haven't seen anything about it.

EDIT:

Ok, so you roll d6+number of losses for morale in 9th. If you are over your LD, you lose one model. You then roll a d6 per model in the squad, and for every 1, an additional model flees, subtracting 1 if the squad is below half strength.

Yeah....thats a big boost.

I'm liking basically everything I hear about 9th. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure people will find some broken cheese and it will rule the meta for a while, but all the changes sound sensible.

Now for the love of god release some more Necron news GW, I've got blue tesla orbs over here.

So I'm guessing the new dynasty has resistance to psychic powers?

 Aza'Gorod wrote:
So I'm guessing the new dynasty has resistance to psychic powers?

Sounds like it.

I was pretty well prepared to spend money this weekend pre-ordering Pariah, the new Inquisitor, the new Sister...

And then we got this weird loose-end of a book with no real faction rules for the two factions I play. And I was a sad panda.

So long as both of those armies get new build-your-own rulesets, relics, and stratagems in the new edition, I'll probably be happy in the long run.

I'd wager the new Necron Codex will drop same week or week after the 9th edition drops. Ideal time since GW will have boosted the faction with all those new models.

IanVanCheese wrote:
I'm liking basically everything I hear about 9th. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure people will find some broken cheese and it will rule the meta for a while, but all the changes sound sensible.

Now for the love of god release some more Necron news GW, I've got blue tesla orbs over here.

I agree. Lots of pissing and moaning about doom and gloom. Everything so far looks to be changes for the better to me.

 Draco765 wrote:

Dudeface wrote:

 Draco765 wrote:
Hard time believing that they will produce the same amount of Stratagems, Warlord traits and Relics in the Codex that every other non-forgeworld army now has.

Quite a few of the armies have the Base Codex and then PA added 4-8 Stratagems, 6 Warlord traits and 3-7 Relics, with most split into the different factions within the army.

With the new units in the Indomitus box, they better have the new Codex also available, as the way some of the abilities are worded, they won't work with our current version of Reanimation Protocol.

But the new codex will have the crusade content and will be one of the first to do so, which is a nice perk if you're not 100% competitive.

If I want to play this game, I am kind of forced to play in an competitive environment (closest game store is 90+ miles away where they ONLY play ITC rule set). That is not GWs fault (except for them closing the GW store where more casual players use to go), but anything that is not within the ITC environment is worthless for me to have.

Having more books filled with more tat you ignore for the 1 best option doesn't make them any more ITC friendly. I usually play chaos marines and because I'm red corsairs the only thing I have over the base codex is 1 relic, 1 warlord trait and 1 strat. It doesn't devalue my choice though by any stretch and I'm not annoyed I can't use the remaining legion stuff.

Likewise in 9th ITC is using core GW rules and missions. But what I think you were trying to say was: "I play in a try hard competitove area and if I have less options than other books I feel I am at a disadvantage", which remains to be seen. But again, more options doesn’t mean better options.

So do we have any thoughts on how the new rules we know so far will impact our existing stuff.

Like vehicles ignoring penalty for moving and firing is a boon for the Triarch Stalker, which was already verging on being a great unit.

I've been a Doom Scythe hater for this edition, but I think the combo of new flyer rules, blast on the main gun and not having to be Sautekh might make them interesting again (depending on points).

I think some combat units are going to be needed to repel chargers and untag our vehicles, so I'm continuing to look at Lychguard. Hopefully the get another attack in the new codex, because at the moment they're great at living, but not good at killing.

Outflanking rules might make a warrior blob an interesting proposition, kinda like Eldar use the guardian bomb.


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Sorry for the doublepost, but we have rules for our murderbuckets



They're pretty spicy for their cost. Around 20 pts each. That pistol and combat profile means they'll be a solid deterant to anyone looking to get choppy with our crypteks, and they have a better version of the character protection rules that means in theory you can put them out of LOS within 3 inches and still keep the cryptek nearby from being shot.

6 attacks each at s5 -1 plus a pistol is pretty good. I imagine they just get shot off the table tho since they are a unit of 2. It's hard to analyze until we get the new rules, and we see what reanimation and living metal change to.

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
6 attacks each at s5 -1 plus a pistol is pretty good. I imagine they just get shot off the table tho since they are a unit of 2. It's hard to analyze until we get the new rules, and we see what reanimation and living metal change to.

Agreed, just looking for a bit of chatter until we have more meaty rules to talk over. True, they can be shot off the table, but the wording on their protector rule means they can hide out of LOS, within 3" of the cryptek and still protect him from being shot at. Also they're not exactly the kind of unit your opponent would be thrilled at having to dedicated any serious firepower towards and they're tough for their points.

I'm more thrilled with their stats as an indicator of what's to come. 6 attacks is already more than any necron unit has had in 8th.

Almost certain I'll be converting mine to not have heads though, just a big glowy orb/eye in the middle of the jet engine.

IanVanCheese wrote:

 Egyptian Space Zombie wrote:
6 attacks each at s5 -1 plus a pistol is pretty good. I imagine they just get shot off the table tho since they are a unit of 2. It's hard to analyze until we get the new rules, and we see what reanimation and living metal change to.

Agreed, just looking for a bit of chatter until we have more meaty rules to talk over. True, they can be shot off the table, but the wording on their protector rule means they can hide out of LOS, within 3" of the cryptek and still protect him from being shot at. Also they're not exactly the kind of unit your opponent would be thrilled at having to dedicated any serious firepower towards and they're tough for their points.

I'm more thrilled with their stats as an indicator of what's to come. 6 attacks is already more than any necron unit has had in 8th.

Almost certain I'll be converting mine to not have heads though, just a big glowy orb/eye in the middle of the jet engine.

Also for 2 PL (effective 1/model) they are pretty cheap so I can definitely see myself sticking them in to protect my cryptek.
Also good shoutout on the bodyguard rule as that makes them very survivable (unless we get an errata after 9th drops to say they must be in LOS lol)

where did you find the price of 20pt?

torblind wrote:
where did you find the price of 20pt?

Based on PL. The unit is 2PL for two murderbuckets. The rough conversion is 20pts per PL. It's a guess, but an educated one. For reference, 3 scarab bases is 2 PL and that's 39pts.

Chances are they're about 20pts each, maybe just over. Still cheap for that profile imo.

Especially cheap given the following:

Illuminor is a big, badass base now.
Illuminor used to have a cryptek kw, and likely still does.
This base, for 20 points, provides target immunity to cryptek bases within 3', and *doesn't require LOS either to cryptek or to the targetting entity.

So, we can park this behind a wall, Illuminor in front of the wall, and have a Primarch-sized model which is, for all intents and purposes, immune to the pewpew.

Sounds like a plan.

 DogHeadGod wrote:
Especially cheap given the following:

Illuminor is a big, badass base now.
Illuminor used to have a cryptek kw, and likely still does.
This base, for 20 points, provides target immunity to cryptek bases within 3', and *doesn't require LOS either to cryptek or to the targetting entity.

So, we can park this behind a wall, Illuminor in front of the wall, and have a Primarch-sized model which is, for all intents and purposes, immune to the pewpew.

Sounds like a plan.

What about those pesky "shoot without line of sight" weapons

Szeras rules

He's.... OK. Like for his points, he's good, but his rules are a bit unfocused. He wants to be rushing up the board and getting into fights, but he can only buff warriors and immortals, who don't want that. But for 20pts more than he used to cost, he's had a hell of a buff.

Oh and to answer the post above, if someone wants to shoot their thunderfire cannons or Dark reapers at my 2 man, 40 point bodyguard unit, they're more than welcome to.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Necrontyr/comments/hik05f/szeras_rules/ Reddit link for anyone who can't see that image.

IanVanCheese wrote:

Spoiler:

Szeras rules

He's.... OK. Like for his points, he's good, but his rules are a bit unfocused. He wants to be rushing up the board and getting into fights, but he can only buff warriors and immortals, who don't want that. But for 20pts more than he used to cost, he's had a hell of a buff.

Oh and to answer the post above, if someone wants to shoot their thunderfire cannons or Dark reapers at my 2 man, 40 point bodyguard unit, they're more than welcome to.

Your picture isn’t working :/

 Tiberius501 wrote:

IanVanCheese wrote:

Spoiler:

Szeras rules

He's.... OK. Like for his points, he's good, but his rules are a bit unfocused. He wants to be rushing up the board and getting into fights, but he can only buff warriors and immortals, who don't want that. But for 20pts more than he used to cost, he's had a hell of a buff.

Oh and to answer the post above, if someone wants to shoot their thunderfire cannons or Dark reapers at my 2 man, 40 point bodyguard unit, they're more than welcome to.

Your picture isn’t working :/

Hmm, weird, it's loading for me. I'll have a look.

Edit: Added a link to the reddit post of it I made.

Wow... spicy for [edit: very few] points.

Edit: Removed point cost from post.

Ah thanks. That’s a pretty awesome sizeable buff he’s got there for only 20pts. If he’s not going up with 9th Ed he seems really strong, and I’ll certainly be using him. I’d just use him as a counter charge type unit, buffing up the lines and shooting then charging in when dudes/my lines get close.

Yeah. I think he's unfocused and has some rules that will rarely go off, but even just taking into account his statline, shooting profile and renaimation/augmentation buffs I think he justifies his cost - the rest is just fluff stuff on the side.

I'll be trying him out as a babysitter for big infantry blobs to start with.