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torblind wrote:
HQ tax is less of a thing though, isn't it?

Defo.

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned it, but technically a Skorpekh lord and illuminor can ride around in a ghost ark which I find very amusing

It still annoys me to no end that the Imperial Guard have better living metal on their vehicles than necrons have in general.

Putting together 500 points of necrons to gift to a friend, what should I generally be looking to put together and paint first from indomitus? (I have pretty much decided that I'm getting it)

Anything else I should be looking for?

Neknoh wrote:
Putting together 500 points of necrons to gift to a friend, what should I generally be looking to put together and paint first from indomitus? (I have pretty much decided that I'm getting it)

Anything else I should be looking for?

It’s a bit light on vehicles, which some players particularly enjoy. The Ghost Ark/DDA kit can be built either way and both units are pretty good at the moment (DDAs are competitive must-takes in 8th and probably will remain so for 9th). Both are 170+ points, and gobble up a hefty portion of your 500pt budget.

Well, it would probably still fit.

My personal, cut-down army of Krieg includes 2 grenadier squads, a small group of death riders and 2 basilisks.

The list I built for the friend who likes chaos has 2 small units of chaos space marines, a raptor squad and a defiler.

So a DDA would be rather on point for how the lists are formated

sieGermans wrote:

Neknoh wrote:
Putting together 500 points of necrons to gift to a friend, what should I generally be looking to put together and paint first from indomitus? (I have pretty much decided that I'm getting it)

Anything else I should be looking for?

It’s a bit light on vehicles, which some players particularly enjoy. The Ghost Ark/DDA kit can be built either way and both units are pretty good at the moment (DDAs are competitive must-takes in 8th and probably will remain so for 9th). Both are 170+ points, and gobble up a hefty portion of your 500pt budget.

Dda is bloody murder at 500 though. Without it what you gonna go vs vehicles? Especially 9th popular so would expect 1-2 even at 500. And even without floating tough flayer array does job nicely

140 for ghost, 180 for dda.

I literally have the 500 points list it will be fighting.

Vehicle presence so far (depending on list):

2 basilisk
1 defiler
Squad of Primaris bikers


Edit: potential ways to deal with vehicles as far as I understand:

Skorpekh Lord/Destroyers
Classical floating Heavy Destroyers
Ark of one type or another
And... that's that's about it?

Neknoh wrote:
I literally have the 500 points list it will be fighting.

Vehicle presence so far (depending on list):

2 basilisk
1 defiler
Squad of Primaris bikers


Edit: potential ways to deal with vehicles as far as I understand:

Skorpekh Lord/Destroyers
Classical floating Heavy Destroyers
Ark of one type or another
And... that's that's about it?

Lol imagine being the kind of person that brings 2 basalisks to a 500 pts game.

I can tell you the answer to every single of those vehicle threats - scarabs. Fast, cheap and enough wounds to keep those vehicles tied up all game.

You could also just bring two DDAs and laugh.

Haha, well, I've always loved them and they made more sense when prepping to play against another group of much more vicious friends.

But then came the points change and the list went from 2 officers, 3 infantry squads, death riders and 2 basilisks down to only a single officer and 2 grenadier squads instead.

If it turns out to be too mean to get my friends in the hobby I'll be sure to replace the basis with something more reasonable for 500 points, like a Russ and some engineers.

Again, I am trying to build these lists to have some good interplay between them, with deepstriking raptors and red corsair infantry (and that twin flamer defiler) to try to counter my larger infantry force and more vulnerable artillery.

So for Necrons, I am trying to run something that plays with the new models but also to that sort of Ancient Space Empire Terminarors- fantasy and can go up against msu, larger infantry squads and vehicles. Considering I am getting Indomitus, there's also gonna be straight primaries marines in there.

So PMEQ, MEQ, Astra Militarum, all with some sort of big vehicle in there.

My immediate thought would be something like:

Patrol

Warriors + scarabs
Dda or Ghost Ark

Either more warriors and scarabs or something from the new stuff such as Skorpekhs or that tall, spindly war of the worlds kinda thing (although I gather that that one might need a larger amount of bodies to be worth taking?)

I also got the advice to include some Blades and just go lord, 2x warriors, Blades

Anyone else notice that Particle weapons are absent from the official Blast Weapons list?

v0iddrgn wrote:
Anyone else notice that Particle weapons are absent from the official Blast Weapons list?

I don't think any of our particle weapons require a roll. They all fire a fixed amount of shots so they don't need the blast key word

sieGermans wrote:

For an untargetable 18”, d3, str8, -4ap, d6dmg gun which satisfies an HQ ‘tax’, he’s cheap for 145 points. Not good enough for tournament use, I’ve concluded, but still cheap.

I’d put him at B+ on the old scale.

What makes him untargetable ? I see nothing in the rules saying something like that.

He's a Character with fewer than 9 wounds, so Look Out, Sir keeps him untargetable.

Neknoh wrote:
Haha, well, I've always loved them and they made more sense when prepping to play against another group of much more vicious friends.

But then came the points change and the list went from 2 officers, 3 infantry squads, death riders and 2 basilisks down to only a single officer and 2 grenadier squads instead.

If it turns out to be too mean to get my friends in the hobby I'll be sure to replace the basis with something more reasonable for 500 points, like a Russ and some engineers.

Again, I am trying to build these lists to have some good interplay between them, with deepstriking raptors and red corsair infantry (and that twin flamer defiler) to try to counter my larger infantry force and more vulnerable artillery.

So for Necrons, I am trying to run something that plays with the new models but also to that sort of Ancient Space Empire Terminarors- fantasy and can go up against msu, larger infantry squads and vehicles. Considering I am getting Indomitus, there's also gonna be straight primaries marines in there.

So PMEQ, MEQ, Astra Militarum, all with some sort of big vehicle in there.

My immediate thought would be something like:

Patrol

Warriors + scarabs
Dda or Ghost Ark

Either more warriors and scarabs or something from the new stuff such as Skorpekhs or that tall, spindly war of the worlds kinda thing (although I gather that that one might need a larger amount of bodies to be worth taking?)

I also got the advice to include some Blades and just go lord, 2x warriors, Blades

Sorry, assumed you were saying someone else was planning to bring that against you.

Generally I'd say 1 tank per list at 500pts (one battle tank anyway, you can have a transport too). otherwise it skews the game too much as most of a lists firepower will be ineffective against those tanks and they just dominate. It's why I've stopped bringing DDAs in our local club nights 800 pts games... it just never died and when you get five turns of tank firepower at low points, you win.

So perhaps I should consider going heavy hitters and tank busters with the necrons instead of bringing an ark, if only to make the game less about "can my tank blow up your tank" and more about "my tank has to choose a target and there are at least two different units that can take it out"

Neknoh wrote:
So perhaps I should consider going heavy hitters and tank busters with the necrons instead of bringing an ark, if only to make the game less about "can my tank blow up your tank" and more about "my tank has to choose a target and there are at least two different units that can take it out"

In which case, your best subsequent options are Heavy Destroyers or Triarch Stalker.

 Aza'Gorod wrote:

v0iddrgn wrote:
Anyone else notice that Particle weapons are absent from the official Blast Weapons list?

I don't think any of our particle weapons require a roll. They all fire a fixed amount of shots so they don't need the blast key word

Traditionally, our Particle weapons have been Blast weapons. I remember using the Blast templates for them. I understand that it would be a sort of nerf to them if they started following the new Blast rules but I just found it strange.

 IHateNids wrote:
He's a Character with fewer than 9 wounds, so Look Out, Sir keeps him untargetable.

Look out sir doesnt make you untargetable. There are plenty of rules which lets your opponent ignore look out sir.

If you are bringing Szeras, you should add 1 to 2 of the 20 point models which prevent targeting even by snipers, but only for Crypteks. Hide them behind a wall, put szeras in front of it, and giggle.

 DogHeadGod wrote:
If you are bringing Szeras, you should add 1 to 2 of the 20 point models which prevent targeting even by snipers, but only for Crypteks. Hide them behind a wall, put szeras in front of it, and giggle.

Or bring six of them and yeet the lot of them up the board (hiding behind cover where possible obvs). 6 cryptothralls and szeras will blend just about anything.

sieGermans wrote:

Neknoh wrote:
So perhaps I should consider going heavy hitters and tank busters with the necrons instead of bringing an ark, if only to make the game less about "can my tank blow up your tank" and more about "my tank has to choose a target and there are at least two different units that can take it out"

In which case, your best subsequent options are Heavy Destroyers or Triarch Stalker.

Liking this thought, Heavy Destroyers actually completely slipped my mind on this, and since no army designed so far has that type of heavy group (almost went for terminators for Chaos, but got a better balance with raptors and more CSM, otherwise the army would have been 2 min-sized units and a defiler), I'll probably go with them.

So looking at something like:

One of the HQ choices from Indomitus

2 warriors
Heavy Destroyers
Scarabs if I can fit them

Plasmancer and Cryptobuckets probably not bad at this point level. Mortal wounds might be helpful for plinking the last wounds off things

 IHateNids wrote:
Plasmancer and Cryptobuckets probably not bad at this point level. Mortal wounds might be helpful for plinking the last wounds off things

I watched a Battle report recently and the cryptothralls really pull there weight as long as they have a cryptek nearby and get the charge off.

Otherwise they are a bit squishy for a CC unit

 IHateNids wrote:
Plasmancer and Cryptobuckets probably not bad at this point level. Mortal wounds might be helpful for plinking the last wounds off things

yeah I watched the Guerrilla Miniatures battle report they did using the starter box set, in a small game that little dude can kick out some serious hurt with his mortal wounds and zappy stick and the murderbuckets.

I think the Cryptobuckets are honestly a weapon of last resort the range of their buff from being near their master is small, so it will only come into play if your line is under threat, but in that niche, they are solid. It can be a rude surprise for sure.

Ok, so Plasmancer vs Skorpekh lord for HQ then

Warriors

Heavy destroyers

Scarabs

Neknoh wrote:
Ok, so Plasmancer vs Skorpekh lord for HQ then

Warriors

Heavy destroyers

Scarabs

If it's one or the other then Skorpekh.

Also, assuming you already have the heavy destroyers? If not, i wouldn't buy new ones now with the Lokhust probably only weeks away from launch.

Yeah, Lokhust destroyers are the ones I meant, even if they're not yet released.

So just with indomitus, I'll probably just go Skorpekh cult with warriors and scarabs, and when the Lokhust come in, that will be a nifty upgrade to 250 points (assuming 3 model minimum units for 60-70 points plus 30 points of guns total).

Edit: VERY rough list based on guesstimated unit costs from the 9th points update.

Skorpekh Lord

10 warriors
5 immortals

3-4 scarab swarms

3 skorpekh destroyers

Should be around 500 points.

New to 8th/9th ed 40K and Necrons inpaticular as haven't played 40k since late 6th early 7th. Getting the box set and feel like having a go at Necrons this edition and have some old Necron kits from Forgebane and Kill Team that I am itching to build now to go along with the Indomitus box that I am getting.

Any observations / suggestions on Gauss vs. Tesla, specifically on Immortals and Tomb blades?

Also what about Lychguard vs Praterions?

Finally are naked wraiths still the way to go?

As soon as they are back in stock it sounds like DDA's are a must buy along with more Immortals. Is there anything elses I should put on the must buy list from the current range?