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 BroodSpawn wrote:
That strategy is going to force you to body block anything with ObSec from getting within 3" of an objective otherwise they'll just steal it from you.

yeah I'm not convinced, I think we need boots on the ground.

At any rate, I'm confident our troops are getting a big boost in the new book. So confident I've got 60 warriors to build this weekend lol.

2 phalanxes of 20 warriors and 2 Reanimators, to follow a phalanx each, is what I’m planning, along with a unit of Immortals as the 3rd troop choice. Dunno if it’s particularly affective, but it’s super cheap from the 2 Necron halves of the Indomitus set I’m getting

I wonder if 2 groups of 20 warriors , with reapers, and then using the deceiver to get into position is the way to take and hold midfield objectives.

 iGuy91 wrote:
I wonder if 2 groups of 20 warriors in ghost arks, with reapers, and then using the deceiver to get into position is the way to take and hold midfield objectives.

How are you putting twenty Warriors in an Ark?

 JNAProductions wrote:

 iGuy91 wrote:
I wonder if 2 groups of 20 warriors in ghost arks, with reapers, and then using the deceiver to get into position is the way to take and hold midfield objectives.

How are you putting twenty Warriors in an Ark?

Copy/paste error, edited to correct.

 BroodSpawn wrote:
That strategy is going to force you to body block anything with ObSec from getting within 3" of an objective otherwise they'll just steal it from you.

Same issue is with ark loaded with warriors. Obsec inside transport doesn't count. At least with 2nd arc you have something to body block.

Obsec or lack of it has rarely been issue so far. You are more likely to be blown off objective. And warriors are about as durable as ants or wet paper tissue

Hi! I was thinking of playing the Indomitus necrons as Nephrekh. I think the movement it gives to even necron warriors will allow to contest objectives faster. Any thoughts on that. Also, which dinasty/ies do you guys think will benefit us more in the new edition? Or is Sautekh still the go to dynasty?

elgermen wrote:
Hi! I was thinking of playing the Indomitus necrons as Nephrekh. I think the movement it gives to even necron warriors will allow to contest objectives faster. Any thoughts on that. Also, which dinasty/ies do you guys think will benefit us more in the new edition? Or is Sautekh still the go to dynasty?

The dynasties are about to change, so I'd hold off on painting until the codex if you gonna paint as a specific dynasty (if homebrew then go nuts).

As things stand, I think Novokh and Nephrekh are the strongest.
Novokh: We got a load of new combat units, some old ones got buffed or dodged points hikes (scarabs and wraiths) and it's universally useful.
Nephrekh: Great for early board control. If you start a unit of wraiths next to an overlord, with Nephrekh they have a guarenteed move of 20-inches and can charge after with a strat. Other units can turbo out onto objectives turn one.

Sautekh lost a lot of what made it good (or more accurately, everyone got what made them good for free). Imotekh is still boss.
Nihilkah requires sitting still, which I don't love, but the strat is still excellent too.

Mephrit still meh for now, but that could easily change.

Thanks!

IanVanCheese wrote:

elgermen wrote:
Hi! I was thinking of playing the Indomitus necrons as Nephrekh. I think the movement it gives to even necron warriors will allow to contest objectives faster. Any thoughts on that. Also, which dinasty/ies do you guys think will benefit us more in the new edition? Or is Sautekh still the go to dynasty?

The dynasties are about to change, so I'd hold off on painting until the codex if you gonna paint as a specific dynasty (if homebrew then go nuts).

As things stand, I think Novokh and Nephrekh are the strongest.
Novokh: We got a load of new combat units, some old ones got buffed or dodged points hikes (scarabs and wraiths) and it's universally useful.
Nephrekh: Great for early board control. If you start a unit of wraiths next to an overlord, with Nephrekh they have a guarenteed move of 20-inches and can charge after with a strat. Other units can turbo out onto objectives turn one.

Sautekh lost a lot of what made it good (or more accurately, everyone got what made them good for free). Imotekh is still boss.
Nihilkah requires sitting still, which I don't love, but the strat is still excellent too.

Mephrit still meh for now, but that could easily change.

Note that Sautekh and Nephrek have comparable (as in, it is possible to compare: not identical) movement affecting buffs:

Nephrek with auto advance is stellar for early board control by giving an auto 6” advance (versus mean distribution of 3.5”)
Sautekh allow advancing units to treat their guns as assault, which diminishes the downside of advancing and thereby allows for early board control (though with -2.5” mean distribution movement).

Many of the maps place objectives 12” from our deployment zone, which with a 3” bubble means a unit needs to move 9” to claim/contest. Based on movement 5” for infantry:

Nephrek advance+move makes it guaranteed and then does not shoot.
Sautekh mean distribution advance+move distance has the potential to make it with MWBD and still shoots.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sorry, clarification:

I still prefer Nephrek, even based on this comparison. But depending on what’s doing the shooting, the Sautekh option is potentially a better “Going 2nd” advance+move dynasty.

sieGermans wrote:


Note that Sautekh and Nephrek have comparable (as in, it is possible to compare: not identical) movement affecting buffs:

Nephrek with auto advance is stellar for early board control by giving an auto 6” advance (versus mean distribution of 3.5”)
Sautekh allow advancing units to treat their guns as assault, which diminishes the downside of advancing and thereby allows for early board control (though with -2.5” mean distribution movement).

Many of the maps place objectives 12” from our deployment zone, which with a 3” bubble means a unit needs to move 9” to claim/contest. Based on movement 5” for infantry:

Nephrek advance+move makes it guaranteed and then does not shoot.
Sautekh mean distribution advance+move distance has the potential to make it with MWBD and still shoots.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sorry, clarification:

I still prefer Nephrek, even based on this comparison. But depending on what’s doing the shooting, the Sautekh option is potentially a better “Going 2nd” advance+move dynasty.

It depends on what you're running - if you're largely using tesla then they're already assault, so nephrekh is clear winner.

If you're spamming warriors or other gauss, then Sautekh might have some uses. As it stands, people are still mainly using tesla.

IanVanCheese wrote:

sieGermans wrote:


Note that Sautekh and Nephrek have comparable (as in, it is possible to compare: not identical) movement affecting buffs:

Nephrek with auto advance is stellar for early board control by giving an auto 6” advance (versus mean distribution of 3.5”)
Sautekh allow advancing units to treat their guns as assault, which diminishes the downside of advancing and thereby allows for early board control (though with -2.5” mean distribution movement).

Many of the maps place objectives 12” from our deployment zone, which with a 3” bubble means a unit needs to move 9” to claim/contest. Based on movement 5” for infantry:

Nephrek advance+move makes it guaranteed and then does not shoot.
Sautekh mean distribution advance+move distance has the potential to make it with MWBD and still shoots.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Sorry, clarification:

I still prefer Nephrek, even based on this comparison. But depending on what’s doing the shooting, the Sautekh option is potentially a better “Going 2nd” advance+move dynasty.

It depends on what you're running - if you're largely using tesla then they're already assault, so nephrekh is clear winner.

If you're spamming warriors or other gauss, then Sautekh might have some uses. As it stands, people are still mainly using tesla.

Aye, agreed. Though what's doing the shooting may recursively revert back to what you bring based on which Dynasty you're utilising. I.E., it may be that you opt/prefer to run Gauss Blasters/Flayers for more hardened targets camping an objective (which makes sense in terms of what your opponent is most likely to use to undertake such camping).

Nephrek gauss reaper warriors seem the obvious winner here: best of both.

 DogHeadGod wrote:
Nephrek gauss reaper warriors seem the obvious winner here: best of both.

Uh reaper is pretty bad weapon for nephrek. You advance, you ain't shooting with your rapid fire weapon. Nephrek don't want rapid fire guns.

The only viable stratagey I've seen to get the most out of reapers is to use a ghosr ark or night scythe to get them up the board.
Nephrekh means you sacrifice a turn shooting Sautekh gives you a threat range of 19"+d6 which is OK but still 1 shot as you'll be assault 1

Err... reaper is assault2 s5 ap2 14"d1 last I saw. Unless I got the name wrong... but that is *perfect* for Nephrek board push vs Primaris.

Edit: Ah. I must have been remembering an old leak. Rapid1 on the reaper is sadface.

 DogHeadGod wrote:
Err... reaper is assault2 s5 ap2 14"d1 last I saw. Unless I got the name wrong... but that is *perfect* for Nephrek board push vs Primaris.

I thought it was RF1?

Yeah,the reaper is RF1.
Tesla Carbine is Assault 2

*nod* Old leak said ass2 on reaper as well, and I didn't check it when the page leaks came out. Too bad... assault2 reaper would have been of significant use. Rapid1 at 7" is just laughable.

Yup, the majority of the fake leaks weren't great, but i really wish the reaper was assault 2 as 14" assault 2 is more viable then what we've got now.

Maybe if nobody uses them they'll errata the range or shot type

I'm actually not that surprised they decided to go with RF1. Design wise they look like gauss blasters, so they probably thought that they should be RF1 too.

I think they could work at RF1, you just have to be really aggressive with them. I feel like you want to field a full squad of them in order to get the most mileage.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm actually not that surprised they decided to go with RF1. Design wise they look like gauss blasters, so they probably thought that they should be RF1 too.

I think they could work at RF1, you just have to be really aggressive with them. I feel like you want to field a full squad of them in order to get the most mileage.

The biggest issue I have with the reapers is how much worse they make Immortal Gauss Blasters by comparison. Whilst I appreciate that the 5” range difference for double tap is relevant in a vacuum, with the new mission types and board sizes, I think middle board ruckuses will be far more likely.

So the real difference is whether 3+ v. 4+ is worth the 6pt. Difference per model.

sieGermans wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm actually not that surprised they decided to go with RF1. Design wise they look like gauss blasters, so they probably thought that they should be RF1 too.

I think they could work at RF1, you just have to be really aggressive with them. I feel like you want to field a full squad of them in order to get the most mileage.

The biggest issue I have with the reapers is how much worse they make Immortal Gauss Blasters by comparison. Whilst I appreciate that the 5” range difference for double tap is relevant in a vacuum, with the new mission types and board sizes, I think middle board ruckuses will be far more likely.

So the real difference is whether 3+ v. 4+ is worth the 6pt. Difference per model.

I expect Guass Blasters will become RF2

Then the "Relic/Master Crafted" version gains 2D

 IHateNids wrote:

sieGermans wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
I'm actually not that surprised they decided to go with RF1. Design wise they look like gauss blasters, so they probably thought that they should be RF1 too.

I think they could work at RF1, you just have to be really aggressive with them. I feel like you want to field a full squad of them in order to get the most mileage.

The biggest issue I have with the reapers is how much worse they make Immortal Gauss Blasters by comparison. Whilst I appreciate that the 5” range difference for double tap is relevant in a vacuum, with the new mission types and board sizes, I think middle board ruckuses will be far more likely.

So the real difference is whether 3+ v. 4+ is worth the 6pt. Difference per model.

I expect Guass Blasters will become RF2

Then the "Relic/Master Crafted" version gains 2D

Now of that happened I would be very curious about tesla for Immortals and tomb blades.

It would make gauss better in my opinion against most targets

Tesla might get slightly longer range, like 30" maybe

At least, that maks sense to me, but then again, how much can we actually get before A - it becomes overpowered, and B - "but muh Intercessors"

Unless I'm blind, Canoptek Spyders aren't in the field guide -- their wargear options are, but not the unit itself.

Surely an error (wow surprise) and I can't imagine they went up in cost anyways.

Someone pulled a CSI-Enhancement and transcribed the new Dynasty Codes (Protocols?)

MEPHRIT: SOLAR FURY

Add 3" to the range characteristic of ranged weapons(excluding something [pistols?]) that models with this code are equipped with.

Each time a model with this code makes a ranged attack that targets a model within half range, the armour penetration characteristic of that attack is improved by 1.

When the protocol of the vengeful stars is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

NOVOKH: AWAKENED BY MURDER

Add 1" to charge rolls made for units with this code.

Each time a model with this code makes a melee attack, if the model has made a charge move, was charged, or performed a heroic intervention this turn, improve the armour penetration characteristic of this attack by 1.

When the protocol of the hungry void is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

NEPHREKH: TRANSLOCATION BEAMS

Models with this code have a 6+ invulnerable save.

Each time a unit with this code advances, it can translocate. If it does, do not make an advance roll for it. Instead, until the end of tthe phase, add 6" to the move characteristic of the models in that unit. If a model translocated, until the end of the turn, models in that unit cannot shoot. Each time a unit with this code falls back or translocates, until the end of the phase, models in that unit can move over models and terrain as if they were not there.

When the protocol of the sudden storm is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

NIHILAKH: AGGRESSIVELY TERRITORIAL

Units with this code have the objective secured ability as in the core book. If a model in such a unit already has this ability, that model counts as one additional model when determining control of an objective marker.

Each time an attack with an armour penetration characteristic of -1 is allocated to a model with this code, if that model's unit is wholly within its controller's deployment zone, that attack has an armour penetration characteristic of 0 instead.

When the protocol of the eternal guardian is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

SZAREKHAN: UNCANNY ARTIFICERS

Each time a model with this code would take a wound as the result of a mortal wound, roll one D6, on a 5+ that wound is ignored.

Each time a unit with this code is selected to shoot or fight, you can re-roll one wound roll when making that unit's attacks.

When the protocol of the undying legions is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

SAUTEKH: RELENTLESS ADVANCE

Each time a morale test is taken for a unit with this code, you can re-roll that test.

Instead of following the normal rules for rapid fire weapons, models with this code shooting rapid-fire weapons make double the number of attacks if the shooting model's target is within 18".

When the protocol of the conquering tyrant is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

Mephrit + deceiver + 2/3 necron warrior units with reaper, can be so fething insane… 80/120 shoots F5 -3 D1.

on the other hand, sutekh can be very Good, but you must go full rapid-fire to make it worth it.

 Khorzain wrote:


NIHILAKH: AGGRESSIVELY TERRITORIAL

Units with this code have the objective secured ability as in the core book. If a model in such a unit already has this ability, that model counts as one additional model when determining control of an objective marker.

Each time an attack with an armour penetration characteristic of -1 is allocated to a model with this code, if that model's unit is wholly within its controller's deployment zone, that attack has an armour penetration characteristic of 0 instead.

When the protocol of the eternal guardian is used you get both command protocols instead of one.

Objective secured Wraiths.
Objective secured Lynchguard.
Objective secured Scarabs.
Objective secured Vehicles?

Mother of god.

Interesting to see what the command protocols are.

2++ Shieldguard with the new objective based mission set of 9th sounds and (possibly) improved RP sounds kinda OP I'm not gonna lie.

Still love it though if it turns out to be true.