Necrons NEW 8th ed. Codex tactica - [please post lists under spoilers]

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**Dynas**

krodarklorr wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Yeah, they use Bravery equal the amount of Orks in their unit or a nearby unit. A unit of 20+ Boyz or near a unit of 20+ Boyz is essentially fearless.

Neat.

Well, 17 Destroyers puts out 51 shots a turn, Hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s, ignoring their armor. If played right, the Doomsday Arks could move and shoot (because low-power would be fine against Boyz), and have at minimum 10 Gauss shots apiece. Then Wraiths could clean up a unit. It's possible, yeah.

Even still you can use da Jump on a horde of 30 or even 40 if you merge a wounded unit after they are shot and charge in, just lock up the destroyers with a mob while everything else closes in. i am just curious to see how the game went or if their is a BatRep on how it was beaten.

**Requizen**

Were people running them in MSU units or big 6 mans?

**skoffs**

Da W wrote:
Yes destro are OP. Best cue: everybody and their mothers are using them.

If everyone is using them it means they're good.
If everyone is SPAMMING them it means they're OP.
Thus far we haven't had that problem.

**Inevitableq**

Destroyers are also one of our more popular units so alot of people are gonna use them just because they are playable again. Codex hasbt even been out a full two weeks. Its a little early to be calling anything OP yet. Once the meta figures out how to handle new crons stuff things will balance again.

**Azuza001**

Destroyers are not op. They are very good, but nothing dark angels hellblasters couldn't deal with, or chaos havocs, or tau battlesuits, or any other list of things that can kill them. They don't have an invulnerable save, they are not that tough, and they are not that cheap.

They are amazing because it's easy to give them first strike and they need little support to make them work. They are an easy unit to use. Being easy to use =/= op.

**DarknessEternal**

Once the internet decides something, they'll never change their minds.

Welcome to a year of everyone crying about Destroyers.

**Inevitableq**

To be fair, if any of our units were even remotely good people were gonna bitch up a storm.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Inevitableq wrote:
To be fair, if any of our units were even remotely good people were gonna bitch up a storm.

Yeah people will ALWAYS accuse Necrons of being overpowered. You know that people complained that our Index list was overpowered?

**Eonfuzz**

How are people finding old man Imotekh? Every game I've ran him he exists as a buff bot and can occasionally pay for himself first turn by zapping a devastator squad.

.. and at what point is running a lord as a buff button worth it? I've been running him with 2x 10 Tesla Immortals and I can't really tell if he's been worth it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Inevitableq wrote:
To be fair, if any of our units were even remotely good people were gonna bitch up a storm.

Yeah people will ALWAYS accuse Necrons of being overpowered. You know that people complained that our Index list was overpowered?

People that said that while it was index are CAAC players, we'll see if that holds true with this codex.

**Grimgold**

Eonfuzz wrote:
How are people finding old man Imotekh? Every game I've ran him he exists as a buff bot and can occasionally pay for himself first turn by zapping a devastator squad.

.. and at what point is running a lord as a buff button worth it? I've been running him with 2x 10 Tesla Immortals and I can't really tell if he's been worth it.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Inevitableq wrote:
To be fair, if any of our units were even remotely good people were gonna bitch up a storm.

Yeah people will ALWAYS accuse Necrons of being overpowered. You know that people complained that our Index list was overpowered?

People that said that while it was index are CAAC players, we'll see if that holds true with this codex.

I'm ashamed to admit it took me a second to figure out Complain at all cost, though on this board we generally just call them sisters of battle players.

**JNAProductions**

Well, a Lord is, what? 60 points?

If you're facing MEQs with 20 Tesla Immortals and MWBDing them, that's 40 shots, hitting on 2s, proccing Tesla on a 5+.

For... 200/6 or 100/3 hits, and (40/3)*2 extra hits, or 80/3.

180/3 hits, or 60.
Against MEQs, that's 120/3 or 40 wounds.
With a 3+ save, that's 40/3 dead.

A Lord turns 60 hits into 1,680/36, or 140/3 wounds.
140/9 dead MEQs.

That's a difference of 20/9, or, assuming bare bones MEQs, 28.89 points per round of shooting at full strength.

**Inevitableq**

Eonfuzz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Inevitableq wrote:
To be fair, if any of our units were even remotely good people were gonna bitch up a storm.

Yeah people will ALWAYS accuse Necrons of being overpowered. You know that people complained that our Index list was overpowered?

People that said that while it was index are CAAC players, we'll see if that holds true with this codex.

yeah i played a guy who was not pleased about his slew of 5 and 6 damage attacks bouncing off qs. Mind you he was stomping me. But necrons were obviously OP. Pretty sure i only managed to kill a rhino and a squad of bikers before i got tabled.

**Eonfuzz**

JNAProductions wrote:
Well, a Lord is, what? 60 points?

If you're facing MEQs with 20 Tesla Immortals and MWBDing them, that's 40 shots, hitting on 2s, proccing Tesla on a 5+.

For... 200/6 or 100/3 hits, and (40/3)*2 extra hits, or 80/3.

180/3 hits, or 60.
Against MEQs, that's 120/3 or 40 wounds.
With a 3+ save, that's 40/3 dead.

A Lord turns 60 hits into 1,680/36, or 140/3 wounds.
140/9 dead MEQs.

That's a difference of 20/9, or, assuming bare bones MEQs, 28.89 points per round of shooting at full strength.

So, roughly 4x full Immortal squad volleys to be worth his points. Do you feel like its worth it?
My main list is an Ork army, and normally you dont take any buff aura's because they're super inefficient. In this Lord's case you could field another 4-6 Tesla Immortals instead of him.

**Doctoralex**

The Lord might seem inefficiënt for damage-per-point, but he brings other utility with him:

-He can fill a mandetory HQ slot for a detachment, as long as its the same as the Immortals.

-He can bring a Ressurection Orb (though this is probably more useful in a Warrior Blob)

-He can take one of the relic Staffs of Light to improve his damage output. Especially the Sautekh one is great on him, since the auto-hit compensates for his BS 3+. Same Goes for a Gauntlet of the Conflagitor.

However, a Cryptek can do many of these things and improve the survivability of the Immortals. So it’s up to you if you want either more dmg output or more survivabiity.

**torblind**

.. And you might not have meaningful room for another 4-6 immortals in your army

**Halfpast_Yellow**

Lord can also grant reroll 1's to Heavy Destroyers, which is very useful.

Also valid VoD carrier, while Imotekh is not.

The Sautekh staff is useful on a Canoptek Cryptek I find, because of the movement allowing to close. I take Imotekh, VoD lord, and Canoptek Cryptek w/ Abyssal staff in my Sautekh force.

**Kuguar6**

Halfpast_Yellow wrote:
Lord can also grant reroll 1's to Heavy Destroyers, which is very useful.

Also valid VoD carrier, while Imotekh is not.

The Sautekh staff is useful on a Canoptek Cryptek I find, because of the movement allowing to close. I take Imotekh, VoD lord, and Canoptek Cryptek w/ Abyssal staff in my Sautekh force.

Why nobody take orikan in sautekh? Cost almost like chronotek but with better aura and much better stats.

**Solar Shock**

We are also talking about Imotekh, vs a basic lord. So its 2x MWBD vs re-roll 1's wounds.

So on top of buffing he also has the potential to regen CP, dish out his lightning ability and its 2x MWBD (which was shown in the math) vs re-rolls 1's to wound.

Personally I feel Imo seems like a strong named character. His 2x MWBD is going to be useful through-out the game, as when your immortal units start to get whittled down re-roll wounds gets less effective than MWBD, As the additional hits from 5+ tesla on two units I think outweighs re-roll wounds. Secondly for the points difference as Torblind said; is another 4-6 immortals what you need?

I certainly see a place for a lord, re-roll 1's wounds is pretty tasty for 60 points, and combined with a cryptek for a 5++ invun you can make some nice meaty silvertides. But if I was running some sort of alphastrike with minimal troops at 2x 10 immortals, the double MWBD to focus down targets feels like it will be stronger.

**krodarklorr**

Da W wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
Requizen wrote:

Yeah, they use Bravery equal the amount of Orks in their unit or a nearby unit. A unit of 20+ Boyz or near a unit of 20+ Boyz is essentially fearless.

Neat.

Well, 17 Destroyers puts out 51 shots a turn, Hitting on 3s, wounding on 3s, ignoring their armor. If played right, the Doomsday Arks could move and shoot (because low-power would be fine against Boyz), and have at minimum 10 Gauss shots apiece. Then Wraiths could clean up a unit. It's possible, yeah.

Yes destro are OP. Best cue: everybody and their mothers are using them.

I don't think they're OP. They're just our tournament-level spam unit because that's what people do in this game. If I run casual, fluffy lists with maybe 1-2 squads of 3-5 destroyers occasionally, it's not game breaking.

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Inevitableq wrote:
Eonfuzz wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Inevitableq wrote:
To be fair, if any of our units were even remotely good people were gonna bitch up a storm.

Yeah people will ALWAYS accuse Necrons of being overpowered. You know that people complained that our Index list was overpowered?

People that said that while it was index are CAAC players, we'll see if that holds true with this codex.
yeah i played a guy who was not pleased about his slew of 5 and 6 damage attacks bouncing off qs. Mind you he was stomping me. But necrons were obviously OP. Pretty sure i only managed to kill a rhino and a squad of bikers before i got tabled.

It's probably soreness that's still lingering from 7th edition. When the 7th edition Dex came out, whoa nelly. That was the strongest Necrons have ever been. People at my shop didn't like playing even Casual games against me.

**skoffs**

The thing with Imotekh is, his ability pairs best with T.imms, but Sautekh's code works best with G.imms.
It's kind of weird they've given his Dynasty something that doesn't work so well with him. (not that it's *bad*, just not best)

krodarklorr wrote:
Da W wrote:
Yes destro are OP. Best cue: everybody and their mothers are using them.

I don't think they're OP. They're just our tournament-level spam unit because that's what people do in this game. If I run casual, fluffy lists with maybe 1-2 squads of 3-5 destroyers occasionally, it's not game breaking.

Are they really worth *spamming*, though?
Yes, one list did well with with them, but until we see every single competitive Necron list taking multiple Destroyer units and placing well I'll just consider them "good" rather than "place on table and have your opponent say gg" broken.

**krodarklorr**

skoffs wrote:
The thing with Imotekh is, his ability pairs best with T.imms, but Sautekh's code works best with G.imms.
It's kind of weird they've given his Dynasty something that doesn't work so well with him. (not that it's *bad*, just not best)

I thought the idea behind his ability was to allow an unending advance of warriors to charge across the field and still shoot at full, normal efficiency. Just because MWBD is technically more "efficient" on Tesla Immortals doesn't mean that's what you need to use him for. Two blobs of warriors moving 6-11 inches and still firing Gauss shots at a 3+ is pretty damn good.

**skoffs**

krodarklorr wrote:
I thought the idea behind his ability was to allow an unending advance of warriors to charge across the field and still shoot at full, normal efficiency. Just because MWBD is technically more "efficient" on Tesla Immortals doesn't mean that's what you need to use him for. Two blobs of warriors moving 6-11 inches and still firing Gauss shots at a 3+ is pretty damn good.

Hey, if someone can manage to make Warriors worth using, by all means, but I'm just not seeing them being the better take at the moment.

**Da W**

skoffs wrote:
Da W wrote:
Yes destro are OP. Best cue: everybody and their mothers are using them.

If everyone is using them it means they're good.
If everyone is SPAMMING them it means they're OP.
Thus far we haven't had that problem.

Where did a i see a destro + wraith spam list winning a tournament?

**Dynas**

skoffs wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
I thought the idea behind his ability was to allow an unending advance of warriors to charge across the field and still shoot at full, normal efficiency. Just because MWBD is technically more "efficient" on Tesla Immortals doesn't mean that's what you need to use him for. Two blobs of warriors moving 6-11 inches and still firing Gauss shots at a 3+ is pretty damn good.

Hey, if someone can manage to make Warriors worth using, by all means, but I'm just not seeing them being the better take at the moment.

Perhaps take Anrakyr with Veil of Darkness and a 20x blob of warriors. Use VoD and DS within 12" to get a rapid fire on a unit. Then with MWBD you are looking at an 8+ for the charge, (roughly 60% chance with reroll charge CP) which if they get in will all have an extra attack. And the possibility of getting Anrakyr within 12" of a vehicle to shoot their gun and also use the Tachon Arrows. Good chance to one shot a vehicle/MC of the enemy.

**em_en_oh_pee**

Thoughts on this list?

Spoiler:

Obvious issues are lack of scoring and susceptibility to being shoved out via screening units and scouts. But it has a certain element of fun to it that appeals to me, but I definitely want it to actually be viable too.

On a fluff aside, I found some blue rods on eBay and am in my early planning stages of going Thokt Dynasty. Should be a nice departure from the usual green rods I see folks with! The real difficulty will be saying the name without chuckling or actually saying "thot" instead. Heh.

**Da W**

Well i hate spamming so when i started seeing desto + wraith spam, i called them OP. People ain't spamming triarch do they?

Here for fun, ill run my collection, see if i can do a good list.

I HAVE:
-All Sauteck characters
-Anrakyr who has been my index go to guy unitl now
-CCB + a couple of overlords, lords and crypteks

-30 warriors
-30 immortals, 20T 10G
-10 Deathmarks
-10 Lychguard + scythe
-10 Triarch Pretorian + voidblade+pistol
-2 Triarch stalker
-C'Tan Deceiver
-C'Tan Nighbringer
-Too many scarabs
-2 DDA
-1 magnetised ghost ark i can turn to a 3rd DDA
-2 monoliths

WHAT I DONT HAVE (cause they sucked in the index)
-Destro
-Wraiths
-Obelisk/ Vault
-Barges
-Flyers

So what do you think? Can i win a tournament with that or do i NEED to purchase desto and wraiths?

**Gojiratoho**

Dynas wrote:
skoffs wrote:
krodarklorr wrote:
I thought the idea behind his ability was to allow an unending advance of warriors to charge across the field and still shoot at full, normal efficiency. Just because MWBD is technically more "efficient" on Tesla Immortals doesn't mean that's what you need to use him for. Two blobs of warriors moving 6-11 inches and still firing Gauss shots at a 3+ is pretty damn good.

Hey, if someone can manage to make Warriors worth using, by all means, but I'm just not seeing them being the better take at the moment.

Perhaps take Anrakyr with Veil of Darkness and a 20x blob of warriors. Use VoD and DS within 12" to get a rapid fire on a unit. Then with MWBD you are looking at an 8+ for the charge, (roughly 60% chance with reroll charge CP) which if they get in will all have an extra attack. And the possibility of getting Anrakyr within 12" of a vehicle to shoot their gun and also use the Tachon Arrows. Good chance to one shot a vehicle/MC of the enemy.

Named characters can't take relics unfortunately.

**skoffs**

Da W wrote:
Well i hate spamming so when i started seeing desto + wraith spam, i called them OP.

"Started seeing"?
As in, you've seen multiple instances of people spamming Destroyers and cleaning up in tournaments?
Because as far as I knew it was just the one person.
Like I said, if everyone starts spamming them and winning with zero effort then they'd be considered OP. Until then the majority of competent players would just consider them "good".

Da W wrote:
-All Sauteck characters
-CCB + a couple of overlords, lords and crypteks
-30 warriors
-30 immortals, 20T 10G
-C'Tan Deceiver
-C'Tan Nighbringer
-Too many scarabs
-3 DDA

So what do you think? Can i win a tournament with that?

You'd have a pretty decent chance with those units.

**Requizen**

Not to put down anyone's achievements, because winning a local tournament is great, but beating a group of local players doesn't say much about the overall strength of things. Unless those local players are multi GT winners.

One of my local monthly RTTs is frequented by people who have podiumed at NOVA, Adepticon, LVO, and others. Another has a lot of people who just got into the game and are putting whatever looks cool on the table. There's a marked difference in the usefulness of certain units and even entire armies between the two events.

**Kuguar6**

Da W wrote:
Well i hate spamming so when i started seeing desto + wraith spam, i called them OP. People ain't spamming triarch do they?

Here for fun, ill run my collection, see if i can do a good list.

I HAVE:
-All Sauteck characters
-Anrakyr who has been my index go to guy unitl now
-CCB + a couple of overlords, lords and crypteks

-30 warriors
-30 immortals, 20T 10G
-10 Deathmarks
-10 Lychguard + scythe
-10 Triarch Pretorian + voidblade+pistol
-2 Triarch stalker
-C'Tan Deceiver
-C'Tan Nighbringer
-Too many scarabs
-2 DDA
-1 magnetised ghost ark i can turn to a 3rd DDA
-2 monoliths

WHAT I DONT HAVE (cause they sucked in the index)
-Destro
-Wraiths
-Obelisk/ Vault
-Barges
-Flyers

So what do you think? Can i win a tournament with that or do i NEED to purchase desto and wraiths?

3 DDA, 30 immo, 3 hq and C'tans are good cron. Throw others and buy valut or destroyers. You can get some scarabs and deathmarks.