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EnTyme wrote: At this point, I'm actually praying for a thread lock. We get 2-3 posts per page of actual SoB speculation/wishlisting (i.e. on-topic) and the rest is just the same old bull argument.
EnTyme wrote:At this point, I'm actually praying for a thread lock. We get 2-3 posts per page of actual SoB speculation/wishlisting (i.e. on-topic) and the rest is just the same old bull argument.
Word, as much as I enjoy engaging in circular logic with both sides, can we at least get back to the joyous news?
Celestine and the Gemini are what "modern" sisters should look like. I think we can all agree that's probably the look that they're going for. but then again probably not, knowing the ridiculous viritrol that's been going on since this thread started.....FROM BOTH SIDES!!!!!!!
I want boob plate armour on my Sisters of Battle for the same reason I like nipples on the Sanguinary Guard and Batman's suit. Because it looks good. The female form is the most beautiful thing ever created, so why are people offended by it?
I've asked several of my female friends if the think the image of a Sister of Battle is offensive. They have all said that they don't find it overly sexualized in any way, and many found it to look "bad ass".
Clearly there are people firmly planted in both camps and you will never make everyone happy. So the only thing you can do is make it look actually aesthetically pleasing, which they currently are. So why change what ain't broken?
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Yodhrin wrote: Some HUEG Cawl-esque inhuman Mechanicus monstrosity that just happens to have been a human female before becoming 97% bionic.
I'm curious about this one, Yodhrin - from a model design perspective, how would you see that working? The background side of things would be easy enough, but I wonder how it'd work on the model.
It wouldn't? That would be sort of the point, it would be the opposite thematic extreme to the overtly female Sisters style, literally just the same pile of metal and rancid old robes as every other long-lived techpriest, but the brain in that particular jar just happened to be born female. I mean, you can do that now yourself, I have with one of my INQ28 Secutors, it'd just be something interesting to have an "Official" stamp on with a "proper" GW character. My point was more that 40K already has room for(and, indeed, already should feature based on its own fiction) a full gamut of non-white-male models in a variety of roles, and the only problem with Sisters is that right now they are "women in 40K" because there are so few other models of women, and I think it would be more productive to focus on rectifying the latter than on changing the former to be more "everywoman-ish" in design terms so they have broader appeal.
Melissia wrote: Sisters basically need more unique weapons options. Keep them in line with bolter/flamer/melta, but give them styles of bolter/flamer/melta that no other army has access to. Let Celestians take power spears/swords and combat shields similar to some of the 2e and 3e artwork, so they have an actual purpose in lists and provide a close combat unit that's different enough from both repentia to give variety in that regard. New tanks that look like roving cathedrals, that aren't just rhino based vehicles.
Here I'd disagree. I feel like Sisters are a pretty complete range(if their background is fully realised) and I like that they retain the old style of Imperial armies that shared STC weapons and vehicles with some minor visual tweaks for different patterns, rather than every Imperial subfaction getting so much "special" stuff they barely feel related. They'll probably do a CC variant of Seraphim just because it's a convenient dual-kit concept, but beyond that I'll break ranks and say I'd much rather GW used any "leftover" design & production budget after giving us modern versions of the existing SoB range on producing lots of Ecclesiarchy support rather than on stretching the basic Sisters concept to the point you end up with our version of Centurions. And TBH I like Rhinos, I hate that Skitarii don't get access to them(and Chimeras, and Russ) as they should have because they got their own newshiny designs and worry if they give Sisters their own newshiny vehicles we'd lose access to stuff that has apparently been rebranded as Marine-only.
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I have asked for a thread lock, and I'd do so again. This thread is 90% off topic, and comments by a lot of posters have seriously harmed my views of them. At this point it's just disheartening.
Yeah, I would be happy with a Seraphim close combat loadout, despite it being so marine-derivative. And like I said before, a plastic penitent engine would be sweet.
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"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."
I remember seeing a piece of artwork a while back that had a Seraphim wielding a spear. I'm a fan of the idea. Although they'd need to be quite a bit better than the state that Assault Marines currently are in. Roughrider style lances with the ability to pull out and charge in the same turn would be pretty cool. Perhaps some way of dealing with Overwatch too. They shouldn't be able to beat most dedicated melee units in prolonged combats, but dealing with backline heavy infantry and artillery units should be their prey.
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AegisGrimm wrote: Yeah, I would be happy with a Seraphim close combat loadout, despite it being so marine-derivative. And like I said before, a plastic penitent engine would be sweet.
I'd go with pistol profiles in close combat with Seraphim.
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Yodhrin wrote: Some HUEG Cawl-esque inhuman Mechanicus monstrosity that just happens to have been a human female before becoming 97% bionic.
I'm curious about this one, Yodhrin - from a model design perspective, how would you see that working? The background side of things would be easy enough, but I wonder how it'd work on the model.
It wouldn't? That would be sort of the point, it would be the opposite thematic extreme to the overtly female Sisters style, literally just the same pile of metal and rancid old robes as every other long-lived techpriest, but the brain in that particular jar just happened to be born female. I mean, you can do that now yourself, I have with one of my INQ28 Secutors, it'd just be something interesting to have an "Official" stamp on with a "proper" GW character. My point was more that 40K already has room for(and, indeed, already should feature based on its own fiction) a full gamut of non-white-male models in a variety of roles, and the only problem with Sisters is that right now they are "women in 40K" because there are so few other models of women, and I think it would be more productive to focus on rectifying the latter than on changing the former to be more "everywoman-ish" in design terms so they have broader appeal.
The new Van Saar, and a lot of the newer Tau kits do this perfectly IMO. I agree wholeheartedly.
Melissia wrote: Sisters basically need more unique weapons options. Keep them in line with bolter/flamer/melta, but give them styles of bolter/flamer/melta that no other army has access to. Let Celestians take power spears/swords and combat shields similar to some of the 2e and 3e artwork, so they have an actual purpose in lists and provide a close combat unit that's different enough from both repentia to give variety in that regard. New tanks that look like roving cathedrals, that aren't just rhino based vehicles.
Here I'd disagree. I feel like Sisters are a pretty complete range(if their background is fully realised) and I like that they retain the old style of Imperial armies that shared STC weapons and vehicles with some minor visual tweaks for different patterns, rather than every Imperial subfaction getting so much "special" stuff they barely feel related. They'll probably do a CC variant of Seraphim just because it's a convenient dual-kit concept, but beyond that I'll break ranks and say I'd much rather GW used any "leftover" design & production budget after giving us modern versions of the existing SoB range on producing lots of Ecclesiarchy support rather than on stretching the basic Sisters concept to the point you end up with our version of Centurions. And TBH I like Rhinos, I hate that Skitarii don't get access to them(and Chimeras, and Russ) as they should have because they got their own newshiny designs and worry if they give Sisters their own newshiny vehicles we'd lose access to stuff that has apparently been rebranded as Marine-only.
I think Imperial units should largely remain STC, but if there is one thing the Imperial range shows us, it is that STC equipment can still be dressed up with different aesthetics. The working parts of a Vostroyan lasgun will be from an STC template held by a FW somewhere, but they are given a stock and body made to a much higher level of craftsmanship than most other lasguns are by the foundries of Vostroya. Hence they are recognisably lasguns, but look different and cool.
I think Sisters gear should be like this, so they should get Rhinos, but with more effort put into them than just sharing the Marine kit. To be fair, the ones made using the sprue from the Immolator do this nicely from my perspective. I don't think this restricts them from getting new stuff either though, as combining STC gear together is generally considered ok, especially if combined into a melee weapon. In addition, "non-functional" aesthetic modifications can be added to STC designs to make acceptable different models with different rules. In line with this, I can see the Sisters getting gear like hand-flamers attached to spears (that any Imperial force could theoretically make, but doesn't see the doctrinal need for), or a Baneblade chassis modified into a great cathedral (probably based on the Stormlord). It would have different rules to represent the effect the Cathedral has on the nearby Sisters, and probably some extra weapons in the building, but from the perspective of the Mechanicus, sticking a building on top of a Stormlord is not modifying the underlying machinery. It is the same principle as sticking a cathedral atop the Emperor-class titans.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
In a probably vain effort to drag this thread away from whether or not Sororitas power armor shows off the breast too much, let's talk about what we can reasonably expect from GW in a Sister of Battle release.
Going back over all the "major" releases in the last year, we have three 40K and 3 AOS releases:
40K Releases
Primaris Space Marines: 4 Clampack Characters, 5 Multi-part Unit Kits, and two Vehicles (and a whole bunch of easy to build and Dark Imperium Models I'm ignoring)
Death Guard: 1 Centerpiece Character, 7 Clampack Characters, 3 Multi-part Unit Kits, and 3 Vehicles (and a whole bunch of easy to build and Dark Imperium Models I'm ignoring, expect for the Myphitic Blight-hauler)
Adeptus Custodes: 1 Clampack Character, 3 Multi-Part Unit Kits that include options to make characters from the kit, that added to one existing Kit of the same nature
Age of Sigmar Releases
Kharadron Overlords: 4 Clampack Characters, 2 Multi-Part Unit Kits, 1 Multi-Unit Kit, and 3 Vehicles
Nurgle Supplementary Release: 1 Centerpiece Character, 3 Clampack Characters, 1 Multi-part Unit Kit with Character Option, 1 Muti-part Unit Kit, and 1 Terrain Kit
Daughters of Khaine: 1 Centerpiece Character, and Two Multi-Unit Kits to supplement, that added to existing Multi-Unit Kit and second Unit Kit
What does this tell us? If GW sees SOB as a major release, we can expect :
4+ Clampack Character models just like Primaries, Death Guard, and Kharadron Overlords, the three larges releases
3 Multipart Unit Kits that may be for multi-units or may include character upgrade bits
2-3 Vehicle Kits
I'll leave it to you all to comment on my analysis.
I'd rather have the dual pistol seraphim be the assault variant and allow them to take boltguns, storm bolters and a special weapon or two for a gunner loadut.
Sororitas vehicles should, I think, look like standard versions that were built to the same specifications as any other STC vehicle but have been decorated after delivery by the sisters themselves. The Mechanicus are in charge of actually making things and they might not care enough for the Ecclesiarchy to modify perfectly fine templates.
The main overhaul I see SoB needing would be an extra tank, maybe just a predator really, and an expanded list of special and heavy weapons. They might be primarily about city fighting and sacred fire but surely the massive nonsense going on in the 40K galaxy at this point in time would be enough to get whoever's in charge of purchases to broaden their horizons just a tad. If nothing else, there's no reason for the Ecclesiarchy to trust Guilliman and his new batch of monster soldiers so they might very well want a little insurance. Maybe they'll even start nearly absorbing bits of the Navy with the more pious ships swearing to support the Sororitas more often, creating a sort of Legions: The Sequel situation with SoB commanders gaining a broad range of military forces, much to the concern of Guilliman (further increasing tensions).
Canoness Kit.
Priest Kit?
Imagifier Kit?
New Soritas HQ Option. [Mini Canoness with re-roll 1's to wound? Flying Canoness? Some independent Sister Superior type option?]
3 Kits.
Battle Sisters Kit.
Retributors Kit.
Seraphim Kit.
2-3 Vehicles.
New Exorcist Kit. Some other new Vehicle we never asked for it. Some sort of new Predator style kit that acts as a sister MBT. Probably with more fire.
Canoness Kit.
Priest Kit?
Imagifier Kit?
New Soritas HQ Option. [Mini Canoness with re-roll 1's to wound? Flying Canoness? Some independent Sister Superior type option?]
3 Kits.
Battle Sisters Kit.
Retributors Kit.
Seraphim Kit.
2-3 Vehicles.
New Exorcist Kit. Some other new Vehicle we never asked for it. Some sort of new Predator style kit that acts as a sister MBT. Probably with more fire.
A lot of the old command squad type characters are single clam packs these days.
I think they could do the dominion/retrbuator squads as one box. 5 sisters, and 2xHB/HF/MM/SB/MG/F. Combi/CC toys for the superior.
Battle Sister box (10 sisters, one of each special, 1-2 of the heavies.)
Seraphim/Celestion box.
Repentia
Rhino/immolator
Exorcist/new tank
Pen engine.
I think that would cover most (all?) of the current range. It’s not like GW needs to add new options just to get old players to pick up new boxes. Just the plastic re-vamp should be enough to clear the shelves.
You have official art of SoB with spears and shiels thought
Spoiler:
And of course this is personal opinion but I would hate for all imperial factions to have all the same vehicles just with little tweaks. Thats something the Imperium doesnt needs, even more homogeneization. Yeah you have Adeptus Mechanicus the faction that builds all the vehicles of the imperium and keeps the good stuff for them... and they should use rhinos, chimeras, leman russes, etc... instead of crazy robots and proper Admech things? Meh. So boring.
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Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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You have official art of SoB with spears and shiels thought
Spoiler:
I'd really like a unit armed that way. Would be awesome!
And of course this is personal opinion but I would hate for all imperial factions to have all the same vehicles just with little tweaks. Thats something the Imperium doesnt needs, even more homogeneization. Yeah you have Adeptus Mechanicus the faction that builds all the vehicles of the imperium and keeps the good stuff for them... and they should use rhinos, chimeras, leman russes, etc... instead of crazy robots and proper Admech things? Meh. So boring.
Nah, the Ad Mech should have Rhinos, Chimeras, Leman Russes.... AND all the crazy robots and things They are Ad Mech. Also, their "standard" stuff could be better than everyone elses, with Ad Mech unique options, like repair rigs (with an Ad Mech vehicle upgrade sprue).
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
Looks more like it was intended to be a Living Saint, but hell yeah I could get behind a Valkyrie-esque unit of power-spear wielders as an alt-build of the Seraphim.
Yodhrin wrote: Some HUEG Cawl-esque inhuman Mechanicus monstrosity that just happens to have been a human female before becoming 97% bionic.
I'm curious about this one, Yodhrin - from a model design perspective, how would you see that working? The background side of things would be easy enough, but I wonder how it'd work on the model.
It wouldn't? That would be sort of the point, it would be the opposite thematic extreme to the overtly female Sisters style, literally just the same pile of metal and rancid old robes as every other long-lived techpriest, but the brain in that particular jar just happened to be born female. I mean, you can do that now yourself, I have with one of my INQ28 Secutors, it'd just be something interesting to have an "Official" stamp on with a "proper" GW character. My point was more that 40K already has room for(and, indeed, already should feature based on its own fiction) a full gamut of non-white-male models in a variety of roles, and the only problem with Sisters is that right now they are "women in 40K" because there are so few other models of women, and I think it would be more productive to focus on rectifying the latter than on changing the former to be more "everywoman-ish" in design terms so they have broader appeal.
The new Van Saar, and a lot of the newer Tau kits do this perfectly IMO. I agree wholeheartedly.
Melissia wrote: Sisters basically need more unique weapons options. Keep them in line with bolter/flamer/melta, but give them styles of bolter/flamer/melta that no other army has access to. Let Celestians take power spears/swords and combat shields similar to some of the 2e and 3e artwork, so they have an actual purpose in lists and provide a close combat unit that's different enough from both repentia to give variety in that regard. New tanks that look like roving cathedrals, that aren't just rhino based vehicles.
Here I'd disagree. I feel like Sisters are a pretty complete range(if their background is fully realised) and I like that they retain the old style of Imperial armies that shared STC weapons and vehicles with some minor visual tweaks for different patterns, rather than every Imperial subfaction getting so much "special" stuff they barely feel related. They'll probably do a CC variant of Seraphim just because it's a convenient dual-kit concept, but beyond that I'll break ranks and say I'd much rather GW used any "leftover" design & production budget after giving us modern versions of the existing SoB range on producing lots of Ecclesiarchy support rather than on stretching the basic Sisters concept to the point you end up with our version of Centurions. And TBH I like Rhinos, I hate that Skitarii don't get access to them(and Chimeras, and Russ) as they should have because they got their own newshiny designs and worry if they give Sisters their own newshiny vehicles we'd lose access to stuff that has apparently been rebranded as Marine-only.
I think Imperial units should largely remain STC, but if there is one thing the Imperial range shows us, it is that STC equipment can still be dressed up with different aesthetics. The working parts of a Vostroyan lasgun will be from an STC template held by a FW somewhere, but they are given a stock and body made to a much higher level of craftsmanship than most other lasguns are by the foundries of Vostroya. Hence they are recognisably lasguns, but look different and cool.
I think Sisters gear should be like this, so they should get Rhinos, but with more effort put into them than just sharing the Marine kit. To be fair, the ones made using the sprue from the Immolator do this nicely from my perspective. I don't think this restricts them from getting new stuff either though, as combining STC gear together is generally considered ok, especially if combined into a melee weapon. In addition, "non-functional" aesthetic modifications can be added to STC designs to make acceptable different models with different rules. In line with this, I can see the Sisters getting gear like hand-flamers attached to spears (that any Imperial force could theoretically make, but doesn't see the doctrinal need for), or a Baneblade chassis modified into a great cathedral (probably based on the Stormlord). It would have different rules to represent the effect the Cathedral has on the nearby Sisters, and probably some extra weapons in the building, but from the perspective of the Mechanicus, sticking a building on top of a Stormlord is not modifying the underlying machinery. It is the same principle as sticking a cathedral atop the Emperor-class titans.
Oh aye, I have no issue with giving their gear a distinct aesthetic(to an extent), I meant more that given the way GW handles releases nowadays if they do make new plastic vehicle kits that are Sisters-only, that may well come at the expense of access to STC designs like the Rhino like you saw with Skitarii, who should have had access to a wide range of Imperial vehicles based on the prior background but ended up getting rules for the newshiny vehicles only, I assume because GW wanted to ensure people were buying the newshiny kits rather than repurposing old or secondhand Marine & IG vehicles. It's less likely to happen with Sisters since although it's ancient they do, unlike Skitarii, have an existing range of models & rules that do have access to STC vehicles, but hey like HMBC says, Sisters fans have to find something to complain/worry about
As for the discussion on what to expect release-wise; I think it depends entirely on which of the two more obvious directions they choose to go. If we get Codex: Sisters of Battle No Boys Allowed Tour, I would set my expectations(and, indeed, hopes, since again I'd rather we didn't get to the stage of whatever the Sisters equivalent of the Centurion would end up being) more along the lines of Custodes, maybe a stretch to GSC territory. Say a clampack, a handful of infantry boxes(minimum would be three - "Battle Sisters" box that could build line Sisters, Retributors, Dominions, and Celestians if they don't get an alt-build; Seraphim, with alt-built natch; Repentia) with options for minor characters like Palatines and Imagifiers in those boxes, a unique vehicle(Penitent Engine) and a multikit/rebox based on an existing vehicle(Rhino with extra sprues to make Immolator and Exorcist).
If they tend more towards Codex: Ecclesiarchy In All But Name, I think that's when you'd see a more extensive release in terms of clampacks as you could bring in the non-Militant orders, Priests and so on, and I could see that expanding to five or six infantry boxes(as above but with separate Celestians with an alt-build, maybe Arcos, maybe Frateris Militia as well or at least hopefully rules for them with an instruction to just use the by-then released House Cawdor minis) and also maybe something like Melissa was asking for, a new unique "mobile cathedral" style superheavy vehicle. If they go whole-hog they might even tap the FW background and produce a plastic Avenger Strike Fighter(at least I hope that's what they'd do, we don't need any more dilution of the Imperium's again supposedly STC air power with another "unique" - and, typically, derpy as feth - design).
I know I'm not typical but TBH I'd prefer the latter option, I like that emphasis on the Sisters as the militant arm of the Ecclesiarchy specifically rather than a distinct faction.
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And of course this is personal opinion but I would hate for all imperial factions to have all the same vehicles just with little tweaks. Thats something the Imperium doesnt needs, even more homogeneization. Yeah you have Adeptus Mechanicus the faction that builds all the vehicles of the imperium and keeps the good stuff for them... and they should use rhinos, chimeras, leman russes, etc... instead of crazy robots and proper Admech things? Meh. So boring.
You might think it's "boring", but that's the background. Not that they *only* use those things, but that they do use the more "special" versions of them in addition to the genuinely esoteric stuff. By all means, make the Skitarii Cataphractii Leman Russ tanks be the wierdy-beardy volkite versions, their Predators the stable-plasma and conversion beamer variants, their Rhinos the open-topped quad-HB Iron Fist variant etc, and similarly encrust the Sisters versions of the Rhino kits in the same ludicrous gothic detailing as their personal arms & armour and do really cool looking versions of the Repressor and Immolator and Exorcist etc, but the common design language of the STC equipment is supposed to be what ties the Imperial factions together and the more you snowflake their model ranges the less they even look like they're part of the same race let alone society.
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I mean, the Immolator is claimed to be a separate STC from the Razorback, but it really just looks like a modified turret for a razor.
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I think they should get some variation of the predator or Leman Russ. Totally agree about Admech tho, they have a severe lack of transports which they have pretty good ones in 30k.
Sisters stuff should be OTT gothic decorations. it wouldn't take much to have a set of upgrade sprue to "pimp" out units/vehicles.
Racerguy180 wrote: I think they should get some variation of the predator or Leman Russ. Totally agree about Admech tho, they have a severe lack of transports which they have pretty good ones in 30k.
Sisters stuff should be OTT gothic decorations. it wouldn't take much to have a set of upgrade sprue to "pimp" out units/vehicles.
I know which Predator variant would most suit the SoB, but it is the variant that least addresses their need for long-range firepower
Combine with this kind of detailing:
and you would get a very SoB Predator.
ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
I strongly suspect the Immolator kit will get a rebox, and be pushed as a SOB Rhino/Immolator dual-build kit.
I think a plastic Exorcist is likely, possibly with an alt build as an AA variant - whether it keeps the crazy pipe organ aesthetic (but, because it is in plastic, is buildable) is anyone's guess.
A plastic Pentent Engine kit would be cool - scale-wise, is the PE roughly Killa Kan size or more Dreadnought size? If the former, might we see a 3-pack?
A Seraphim kit is definite, though I think we'll see a slight jump pack redesign to line up with the Geminae. Box should include twin BP, twin Hand Flamer and twin Inferno Pistol options, along with CCW weapons for the Sister Superior. I don't think we'll see an alt-build on this kit, but I would imagine the unit might get to use their pistols as CCW in the Fight phase. Not certain of that though.
A standard Battle Sister Squad box seems sensible, and I like the idea of having the parts for an Imagifer in there too, similar to the Vexilia in the Custodes squad - that'd be a smart move. Ideally, 5 Sisters to a sprue, with 2 sprues in the tac box. Second sprue with one of each special & heavy on (assuming SB/MG/Flamer for special, HB/MM/HF for heavy). Include one in the standard box, then release a second box with one sprue of SoBs and 4 of these sprues (ideally, though I could see GW just doing 2) as a Retributor/Dominion box.
I'm not sure what to do with Celestians at this time - are they just a repaint of standard Sisters as an Elites choice, or do they need their own kit?
I imagine Repentia will see a kit - not sure how many to a box, though.
Clampacks for a Canoness, Dialogus, Hospitalier, maybe a new version of Uriah Jacobus.
If new units are added, this could expand, but I think this is the MVP for the range.
As an aside, I noticed a couple of people referencing multi-unit kits - while we've seen a lot of those in AoS, I don't think they're that common in 40k, so I doubt we'll see them in the SoB release.
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Confirmation of why no-one should listen to Kanluwen when it comes to the IG - he doesn't want the IG, he want's Kan's New Model Army...
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Racerguy180 wrote: I think they should get some variation of the predator or Leman Russ. Totally agree about Admech tho, they have a severe lack of transports which they have pretty good ones in 30k.
Sisters stuff should be OTT gothic decorations. it wouldn't take much to have a set of upgrade sprue to "pimp" out units/vehicles.
I know which Predator variant would most suit the SoB, but it is the variant that least addresses their need for long-range firepower
Combine with this kind of detailing:
and you would get a very SoB Predator.
This is almost exactly what I was thinking. I would buy one in a heartbeat.
My Salamanders love their Infernus, but you'd kinda imagine it would have more than 8" range.
Nobody complaining about boobplate is offended by the female form .
Going by what someone else said above, I don't think you'd have this argument popping up over and over and over if there were more female models in 40K as a whole--OK, Space Marines are of course their own thing, but is there any particular reason why AM, Mechanicus, Genestealer Cults, Chaos Cultists, etc all need to be overwhelmingly sausage parties? I can understand the worry that making the hyper-gothic pyromaniac zealot space nuns too sensibly designed eliminates their aesthetic appeal, but I can also understand the frustration at "Men can look like anything in this setting, but women must look attractive even at the expense of practicality." that you repeatedly see throughout geek media as a whole.
It's the sort of tension that's inevitable when one faction carries the majority of female representation in the setting. Having more unglamorous but recognisably female models in the range might ease the burden a bit?
"The 75mm gun is firing. The 37mm gun is firing, but is traversed round the wrong way. The Browning is jammed. I am saying "Driver, advance." and the driver, who can't hear me, is reversing. And as I look over the top of the turret and see twelve enemy tanks fifty yards away, someone hands me a cheese sandwich."
Dysartes wrote:I strongly suspect the Immolator kit will get a rebox, and be pushed as a SOB Rhino/Immolator dual-build kit.
I think a plastic Exorcist is likely, possibly with an alt build as an AA variant - whether it keeps the crazy pipe organ aesthetic (but, because it is in plastic, is buildable) is anyone's guess.
I certainly hope so! I love the aesthetic of that kit, for me it neatly sums up 40k in one model The only reason I don't own one is the horrific lump of metal, and the fact the supporting army would also be expensive metal.
A plastic Pentent Engine kit would be cool - scale-wise, is the PE roughly Killa Kan size or more Dreadnought size? If the former, might we see a 3-pack?
The legs look very similar to Sentinel legs. I've not ever seen one in the flesh, but I reckon somewhere between a Sentinel and an Ironstrider, probably a tall Sentinel. I wouldn't be surprised if a re-done plastic version got a bit larger and more imposing though, maybe towards ironstrider size. I'd like a three pack, but both the Sentinel and Ironstrider are single models by default.
A Seraphim kit is definite, though I think we'll see a slight jump pack redesign to line up with the Geminae. Box should include twin BP, twin Hand Flamer and twin Inferno Pistol options, along with CCW weapons for the Sister Superior. I don't think we'll see an alt-build on this kit, but I would imagine the unit might get to use their pistols as CCW in the Fight phase. Not certain of that though.
A standard Battle Sister Squad box seems sensible, and I like the idea of having the parts for an Imagifer in there too, similar to the Vexilia in the Custodes squad - that'd be a smart move. Ideally, 5 Sisters to a sprue, with 2 sprues in the tac box. Second sprue with one of each special & heavy on (assuming SB/MG/Flamer for special, HB/MM/HF for heavy). Include one in the standard box, then release a second box with one sprue of SoBs and 4 of these sprues (ideally, though I could see GW just doing 2) as a Retributor/Dominion box.
I'm not sure what to do with Celestians at this time - are they just a repaint of standard Sisters as an Elites choice, or do they need their own kit?
I imagine Repentia will see a kit - not sure how many to a box, though.
Clampacks for a Canoness, Dialogus, Hospitalier, maybe a new version of Uriah Jacobus.
The lowest-hanging fruit, after the Canoness, is a standard Priest. It can be used in three armies, including the popular Astra Militarum codex, and is a great support character with only horribly outdated models in the official range. If they don't do a clampack Priest or two, I'll be very surprised! They could also do a kit for Death Cult assassins, and Flagellants perhaps. Again, this does double-duty for Inquisition lists.
I think Celestians will likely get a kit too, although it may not be immediate. They should make use of the artwork we have available to do something really cool with Celestians. I like the idea of a dual-build kit with a "standard" bolter elite battle-sister squad, and a melee spear-and-shield squad. Seeing as the past few versions of the Celestian's rules had them with close combat buffs, but no equipment to use them, this doesn't seem far-fetched.
If new units are added, this could expand, but I think this is the MVP for the range.
As an aside, I noticed a couple of people referencing multi-unit kits - while we've seen a lot of those in AoS, I don't think they're that common in 40k, so I doubt we'll see them in the SoB release.
Racerguy180 wrote: I think they should get some variation of the predator or Leman Russ. Totally agree about Admech tho, they have a severe lack of transports which they have pretty good ones in 30k.
Sisters stuff should be OTT gothic decorations. it wouldn't take much to have a set of upgrade sprue to "pimp" out units/vehicles.
I know which Predator variant would most suit the SoB, but it is the variant that least addresses their need for long-range firepower
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Combine with this kind of detailing:
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and you would get a very SoB Predator.
This is almost exactly what I was thinking. I would buy one in a heartbeat.
My Salamanders love their Infernus, but you'd kinda imagine it would have more than 8" range.
At least the Magna-cannon has a bit more range. I think the Flamestorm cannon should have the same range as a Hellhound Inferno cannon to be honest. Vehicle-mounted flamethrowers have a scarily long range in reality, at least compared to man-portable designs.
Nobody complaining about boobplate is offended by the female form .
Going by what someone else said above, I don't think you'd have this argument popping up over and over and over if there were more female models in 40K as a whole--OK, Space Marines are of course their own thing, but is there any particular reason why AM, Mechanicus, Genestealer Cults, Chaos Cultists, etc all need to be overwhelmingly sausage parties? I can understand the worry that making the hyper-gothic pyromaniac zealot space nuns too sensibly designed eliminates their aesthetic appeal, but I can also understand the frustration at "Men can look like anything in this setting, but women must look attractive even at the expense of practicality." that you repeatedly see throughout geek media as a whole.
It's the sort of tension that's inevitable when one faction carries the majority of female representation in the setting. Having more unglamorous but recognisably female models in the range might ease the burden a bit?
I agree wholeheartedly with this, and it is why I am hopeful the mixed Van Saar and Tau releases are a template for future humanoid releases.
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ChargerIIC wrote: If algae farm paste with a little bit of your grandfather in it isn't Grimdark I don't know what is.
argument.
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They are Ad Mech. Also, their "standard" stuff could be better than everyone elses, with Ad Mech unique options, like repair rigs (with an Ad Mech vehicle upgrade sprue).
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