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Personally I am a Kings of War diehard. That rule system is perfect for mass rank and file combat.


I like the aesthetics of the FF models, just not a fan of the heroic scale used. As is I wish FF a successful campaign, but I think Oathmark will have my money, that is unless a drastic development occures.

Aesthetics aside, Oathmark's are also heroic scale.

 Mymearan wrote:
Aesthetics aside, Oathmark's are also heroic scale.

From all the photos I have seen they don't look to be heroic scale, but rather inline with historical scale. The weapons, hands, and heads aren't oversized.

For example their Goblins fit perfectly next to GW's Lord of the Rings Orcs. A range that is very much historical scale and not heroic.

 Zywus wrote:

 Theophony wrote:

So put up or shut up . Glad they are listening to the peasant horde at their door. Also glad that it will not slow down the shipping of the rest of the Kickstarter to wait for these.

Very much this.

FF did their end of the deal. Now it's time for all the Peasant-lovers to cash the checks their mouths were writing.

I for one am doubling my pledge!!!


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 Azazelx wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think FF will be disappointed by the numbers brought in by the Peasant Rabble.

Yeah, I'm sure people who are keen for the peasants will back it now (if they weren't already doing so), but I'm not sure if it'll be enough to make a big difference. Hopefully I'm proved wrong there, though!

It's already at $103,158 of $152,625 funding goal with after 5 days, 25 days left don't really see how it wouldn't make it, tbh

 Sentionaut wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think FF will be disappointed by the numbers brought in by the Peasant Rabble.

Yeah, I'm sure people who are keen for the peasants will back it now (if they weren't already doing so), but I'm not sure if it'll be enough to make a big difference. Hopefully I'm proved wrong there, though!

It's already at $103,158 of $152,625 funding goal with after 5 days, 25 days left don't really see how it wouldn't make it, tbh

Oh, I'm sure this will be a successful campaign. I just think the roleplayers who each want one sprue of peasants won't make a big difference.

I'm in for the rabble, but I'll pull my pledge in the final days if it looks like the campaign won't hit that goal. Frankly, this campaign is doing stuff that the Dakka community would call other companies on harshly, like using existing to bump the total without adding to the funds for new product and moving stretch goals out of desperation, potentially putting Fireforge in a worse position if this campaign only makes it a bit above the funding goal.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm in for the rabble, but I'll pull my pledge in the final days if it looks like the campaign won't hit that goal. Frankly, this campaign is doing stuff that the Dakka community would call other companies on harshly, like using existing to bump the total without adding to the funds for new product and moving stretch goals out of desperation, potentially putting Fireforge in a worse position if this campaign only makes it a bit above the funding goal.

True, but at least FF has been around for a while and when some of those other companies get called out they are usually new companies......or Mantic .

I'm planning on backing for the peasants but really only need two boxes, one living and one undead. Do we know if we can delay shipping of the undead peasants to the later release date as I really don't want to pay shipping two times for this?

I would assume you can ask

Monkeysloth wrote:I'm planning on backing for the peasants but really only need two boxes, one living and one undead. Do we know if we can delay shipping of the undead peasants to the later release date as I really don't want to pay shipping two times for this?

lord marcus wrote:I would assume you can ask

I think that duplication of shipping fees is something that they will need to clarify fairly quickly as it could negate any increase in interest from this offer. I really hope that this funds, and it does look like it will, but feel that the whole Stretch Goal chart was very ambitious. If the 4 factions (from €240,000 to 400,000) was instead placed with the characters (between 130.000 and 240,000) to create a crowded table of bonuses, with every €10,000 increase, I really think this would create a huge surge in pledges.

That said it has been going up at least €5000 per day which means it should be funded within 8-10 days which leaves another 2 weeks to keep rising.

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think FF will be disappointed by the numbers brought in by the Peasant Rabble.

Yeah, I'm sure people who are keen for the peasants will back it now (if they weren't already doing so), but I'm not sure if it'll be enough to make a big difference. Hopefully I'm proved wrong there, though!

I believe that the folk rabble supporters just want one box or two at most, and that the "tidal wave in pledges" they seemed to imply will not happen. They just wanted their babies coming first. Now waiting for the orc supporters to come in and do the same. Why not, after all ? They managed to get folk rabble go lower in stretch goal, right ?

Backer logic. Well, that's how kickstarter is, now. Blame the company for giving in, and blame the backers for pushing on.

 Sentionaut wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I think FF will be disappointed by the numbers brought in by the Peasant Rabble.

Yeah, I'm sure people who are keen for the peasants will back it now (if they weren't already doing so), but I'm not sure if it'll be enough to make a big difference. Hopefully I'm proved wrong there, though!

It's already at $103,158 of $152,625 funding goal with after 5 days, 25 days left don't really see how it wouldn't make it, tbh

Well, two ways - you can't reply on consistent pledging of a solid amount each day of a KS anymore. The spikes are at the start and at the end. Most people who will pledge have already done so. The mid-campaign doldrums tend to hit like three or four days in now.
Then people are unnecessarily skittish these days, and too many tend to pull their pledges way too early if something doesn't fund near-immediately. (and, like, you don't get charged if the campaign doesn't fund anyway!)

Actually, and linked to the second point - people who pledged with a certain stretch goal in mind tend to pull their pledge if it doesn't look like their stretch goal will be funded. This one is more reasonable, but it's the drawback to pledging for something they have on offer as a stretch. That's why they unlocked the Peasants early - to prevent that particular backslide.

Finally, there are people who pledge with the hope of "Massive Value". These are the people who pledge with the hopes of getting tons of figures, and pull their pledge (or don't pledge) unless there's an overwhelming amount of models offered. I admit this is where I fit in, though I'm down for a Euro rather than going all in with a risk of pulling it later. Mostly because I'm ambivalent about the models. They're ...fine. And I have other more pressing places to send my money.

Still, hoping it gets funded, even if I don't raise my own pledge.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
I'm planning on backing for the peasants but really only need two boxes, one living and one undead. Do we know if we can delay shipping of the undead peasants to the later release date as I really don't want to pay shipping two times for this?

They confirmed you can delay shipping to Gallahad’s question.

Fireforge GamesCreator
about 2 hours ago
yes of course

Is the issue the 12 man boxes? Its what I keep hearing.

Backed this. Peasants, undead, and a solid humans. Also- cheaper castle walls! That's a huge draw!

 lord marcus wrote:
Is the issue the 12 man boxes? Its what I keep hearing.

Folk Rabble will be 18 in a box

 stonehorse wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
Aesthetics aside, Oathmark's are also heroic scale.

From all the photos I have seen they don't look to be heroic scale, but rather inline with historical scale. The weapons, hands, and heads aren't oversized.

For example their Goblins fit perfectly next to GW's Lord of the Rings Orcs. A range that is very much historical scale and not heroic.

They are definitely oversized, just not as oversized as some other ranges. Compare them to Infinity model, or count how many heads high one of their elves are... certainly not 7-8 heads (which would be true scale).


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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm in for the rabble, but I'll pull my pledge in the final days if it looks like the campaign won't hit that goal. Frankly, this campaign is doing stuff that the Dakka community would call other companies on harshly, like using existing to bump the total without adding to the funds for new product and moving stretch goals out of desperation, potentially putting Fireforge in a worse position if this campaign only makes it a bit above the funding goal.

Well, they are an established company, so they would be more likely to have the cash on hand to invest in an extra sprue they didn't plan on funding themselves.



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 Donomar wrote:

Monkeysloth wrote:I'm planning on backing for the peasants but really only need two boxes, one living and one undead. Do we know if we can delay shipping of the undead peasants to the later release date as I really don't want to pay shipping two times for this?

lord marcus wrote:I would assume you can ask

I think that duplication of shipping fees is something that they will need to clarify fairly quickly as it could negate any increase in interest from this offer. I really hope that this funds, and it does look like it will, but feel that the whole Stretch Goal chart was very ambitious. If the 4 factions (from €240,000 to 400,000) was instead placed with the characters (between 130.000 and 240,000) to create a crowded table of bonuses, with every €10,000 increase, I really think this would create a huge surge in pledges.

That said it has been going up at least €5000 per day which means it should be funded within 8-10 days which leaves another 2 weeks to keep rising.

Since they seem to be actually funding the tooling with the stretch goal amounts, lowering all the stretch goals like that would not cover the costs.

 lord marcus wrote:
Is the issue the 12 man boxes? Its what I keep hearing.

Clearly, it's doing them no favours.

I am in on an early bird for this, especially with the update of free sprues if over 100 (assuming it funds.) I am really excited about the armoured zombies. I would love an extra sprue in each box so we get 18 northmen/zombie warriors per box - then it becomes a real no brainer!

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Is the issue the 12 man boxes? Its what I keep hearing.

Clearly, it's doing them no favours.

Theissue is cost per box vs number of figs right?

 lord marcus wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:

 lord marcus wrote:
Is the issue the 12 man boxes? Its what I keep hearing.

Clearly, it's doing them no favours.

Theissue is cost per box vs number of figs right?

Hard to tell exactly, as cost per box is always skewed by Kickstarter "prices" and Kickstarter "discounts" against eventual MSRP, Kickstarter shipping, and eventual retail discounts (often with free shipping to boot). Clearly they're setting up their prices based on units for their game that people backing may or may not give two gaks about, but typically, Fireforge's plastic infantry have 25-40 models in them while their cavalry have 12 to a box. Numerically, they look like a sub-par deal compared to their own historical models (or those of the Perrys, etc). Going for 12 might stack up ok against GW's models on the surface, but these humans aren't really giving off much of a fantasy vibe, being pretty plain household troops types compared to ...well, anything GW puts out (or even used to put out before the fall of WHFB). Both the human and the Undead ultimately look ...fine.

I've got a lot of Fireforge's historical plastic figures across several ranges and time periods, and find them more inspiring than this lot of humans. And that's the thing here - for models that appear to be ...fine and don't offer amazeballs value, people will be comparing them to what they can get right now. So they're essentially competing with the Perrys' Agincourt and WotR boxes, as well as their own Historical offerings. Just because they're called "Fantasy" and are slightly more heroic (apparently) is a gakky reason to bump the price when your models are as generic as can be. Like, they're nice. The designs are fine, but they're not inspiring, and they're very generic.

I feel like to get this over the line comfortably, they need to be offering more. Since it's simply shots of a sprue and backers pay for the shipping, it seems like they're overvaluing their new Not-GoT line a bit too much - both for the KS and also for eventual retail. I think GW has also made the fantasy space more difficult for up and comers with the death of WHFB and rise of AoS. While I for one would have no problem using these guys as whatever Empire or Brettonia are called now or an opponent doing the same, those forces are very much background to the new shiny - and despie KoW being a great ruleset and 9th Age being a thing, lots of people are sheep when it comes to playing anything that GW doesn't actively support. (Just read these forums). That's all a lot for these models to overcome at a price that seems to be significantly higher than the same company's historical.

And yeah, smaller boxes as well - people hate smaller boxes - even GW backpedalled on the LotR boxes recently bumping them back up to 24 from the gakky 12 they reduced them to! I immediately bought several, and I hadn't bought a single box since the drop to 12 models. Look at how people feel about Dire Avengers being 5 to a box, or even the new Primaris vs Tactical marines.

When comparing their fantasy figures and their historical figures, you pay five euro less for the fantasy figures, get half the number of troops, but do get a banner arm, a horn arm, bases, some two handed spear arms, and a few more pouches. They (fantasy) are also slightly larger with better proportioned heads.

Some of their kits (like the Teutonic infantry) include cloaks for all the models, hand weapon, spear, crossbow arms, a two handed axe arm set, and a banner arm....along with double the number of troops. For five more euro.

The Forgotten World minis look to be cheaper than CMON's ASOIAF troops per box of 12 at retail (right? What is the projected MSRP again?), so if that is their primary competition the prices make sense, I guess.

Have we seen the prices for Conquest's fantasy troops, yet? I feel like those (and possibly Mantic's MaA) will be the real competition for Forgotten World in the market of non-GW fantasy minis.

I'd love to see a few skeleton (as opposed to zombie) options for the living dead warriors. They'd fit really nicely in with my legions of skeletons for kings of war (though I suspect I could dig up some skelly heads in my bits box, if I have to)

But I agree with some of the sentiment here - it's not a fantastic value. I suspect it will just barely fund; a disappointment as we may not see any of the stretch goals dangled in front of us... I'm in for the ~50 Euro pledge, which is really not looking like a great deal, and not excited about bumping up to 100 to take advantage of the free sprue they tossed in...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Forgotten World minis look to be cheaper than CMON's ASOIAF troops per box of 12 at retail (right? What is the projected MSRP again?), so if that is their primary competition the prices make sense, I guess.

Have we seen the prices for Conquest's fantasy troops, yet? I feel like those (and possibly Mantic's MaA) will be the real competition for Forgotten World in the market of non-GW fantasy minis.

Not that I have a problem with the direction they took their fantasy troops, but if they were more definitely fantasy they might have generated more interest. You'd have to be something of a Medieval history buff to see any difference between the Northmen figures and Fireforge's regular historical figures. Though I don't imagine anybody choosing between CMON and Fireforge here, if you want to play Ice and Fire you'll buy CMON, if you want plastic soldiers for most any other game you'll buy from a regular miniature manufacturer like Fireforge, Conquest, Mantic, etc.

Having thought it over $1.50 a mini ain't too bad a price, but Kickstarter is for giving people great deals or getting your little project off the ground. It's harder getting traction when you're in-between.

The ASOIAF minis are 12 per box at $29.99. The Conquest e-Store does not have prices listed yet.

Edit #2: Miniature Market has retail at $29.99, but GameNerdz and Toywiz have ASOIAF retail at $34.99.

If you were referring to FF's hypothetical MSRP about 20 Euros according to this earlier post: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/753391.page#10101072 which is $23.48 for today's rate (rounding up).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Forgotten World minis look to be cheaper than CMON's ASOIAF troops per box of 12 at retail (right? What is the projected MSRP again?), so if that is their primary competition the prices make sense, I guess.

Have we seen the prices for Conquest's fantasy troops, yet? I feel like those (and possibly Mantic's MaA) will be the real competition for Forgotten World in the market of non-GW fantasy minis.

 Ancestral Hamster wrote:
The ASOIAF minis are 12 per box at $29.99. The Conquest e-Store does not have prices listed yet.

If you were referring to FF's hypothetical MSRP about 20 Euros according to this earlier post: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/753391.page#10101072 which is $23.48 for today's rate (rounding up).

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The Forgotten World minis look to be cheaper than CMON's ASOIAF troops per box of 12 at retail (right? What is the projected MSRP again?), so if that is their primary competition the prices make sense, I guess.

Have we seen the prices for Conquest's fantasy troops, yet? I feel like those (and possibly Mantic's MaA) will be the real competition for Forgotten World in the market of non-GW fantasy minis.

Do the ASOIAF come 12 to a box or 13? I bought a Lannister Halberdier box from my LGS. It had 13 guys. 12 normal guys and then a leader guy. for 13 total. Though the tray only holds 12. Not sure if it was a kickstarter thing or if all really do come with 13.

With the Fireforge Northmen, 5 boxes nets you 60 guys. So 2.5 boxes is a unit of 30.... so $58.70 for a unit of 30...

 Smokestack wrote:
Do the ASOIAF come 12 to a box or 13? I bought a Lannister Halberdier box from my LGS. It had 13 guys. 12 normal guys and then a leader guy. for 13 total. Though the tray only holds 12. Not sure if it was a kickstarter thing or if all really do come with 13.

With the Fireforge Northmen, 5 boxes nets you 60 guys. So 2.5 boxes is a unit of 30.... so $58.70 for a unit of 30...

I don't know. Simply went by what it said on the Miniature Market website. Was the box you purchased a KS box or standard retail box? Is there a difference? Still, if it is 12 trooper and a leader for 13 I don't see why CMON and any retailer would suppress that information. More bang for your buck is usually a positive selling point.

I haven’t backed yet. I like the look of the humans, but I’m not playing anything right now. I’d love a scale shot of their troops next to a zombicide Black Plague figure for scale though. Right now I’m considering using my ballista and trebuchet from there as artillery for these men at arms.

 Gallahad wrote:
When comparing their fantasy figures and their historical figures, you pay five euro less for the fantasy figures, get half the number of troops, but do get a banner arm, a horn arm, bases, some two handed spear arms, and a few more pouches. They (fantasy) are also slightly larger with better proportioned heads.

Some of their kits (like the Teutonic infantry) include cloaks for all the models, hand weapon, spear, crossbow arms, a two handed axe arm set, and a banner arm....along with double the number of troops. For five more euro.

There you go. I couldn't see the MSRP for the fantasy boxes. The Teutonic infantry look to be almost about as heroically scaled as these fantasy figures as well, but that's an excellent comparison - and one that I suspect Fireforge would be wise to consider themselves.