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 Irbis wrote:
Though, how that would change anything seeing Imperium already took on primorks, twice, and won, both times crushing armies vastly larger and more advanced than ragged band Ghaz has, we have no idea.

Given the mindnumbing discussion of the 'end of the space marines' in the first quarter or so of the first book I'm going to guess they're leaning on the idea that the current imperium is far lesser than it was 8k years ago.

Those armies didn't have the level of technology Ghaz has available to him. Ghaz is at the head of a great awakening for orks according to the last lump of Ork fluff.

The orks are heading towards the same levels as the Beast was in the novels, though they have not quite hit the critical mass levels yet.

Primaris Orks then - bigger than all the other Orks, to represent what happens when you reach that level of Ork population?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Primaris Orks then - bigger than all the other Orks, to represent what happens when you reach that level of Ork population?

At least orks have it build into their fluff from the beginning.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Primaris Orks then - bigger than all the other Orks, to represent what happens when you reach that level of Ork population?

no, Pirmarch orks. The orks from the beast series were slapping around vulkan

It remains to be seen if GW will allow the orks to become this powerful. An Armageddon campaign would be nice.

YeOldSaltPotato wrote:

 Irbis wrote:
Though, how that would change anything seeing Imperium already took on primorks, twice, and won, both times crushing armies vastly larger and more advanced than ragged band Ghaz has, we have no idea.

Given the mindnumbing discussion of the 'end of the space marines' in the first quarter or so of the first book I'm going to guess they're leaning on the idea that the current imperium is far lesser than it was 8k years ago.

Which would be a reasonable interpretation if a direct statement in BRB (not even a in-universe quote, matter of fact statement) didn't say in timeline around M37-38 that the Imperium's borders were 'never greater' than present ones after recent crusades. So, yeah, it completely rules out Imperium in M32 (or even GC one) being stronger, unless there is stronger source retconning that.

Ditto for organizations like Custodes and SM, development of new tactics and finding of old STCs left both groups stronger than their early Imperium contemporaries (direct quote from Trajan Valoris, who has no reason to lie and is rather well placed to know that, seeing his access to all official and unofficial Imperial reports). Doubly so after introduction of Primaris. Sure, they might lack some fancy early toys but even that is being semi-retconned from 40K seeing multiple plasma blaster and volkite bits being added to range recently, both of which were most often cited as 'proof' of supposed decline.

So, yeah, 'midnight', terrible approaching dark times, yada yada, everything is lost, but I can't recall one example of supposed Imperium's problems materializing anywhere on the tabletop. When in reality, economic and manpower problems a state has reflection in military even before general populace feels it. It would be even trivial for GW to steal from history once more and make parallels with Germany in 1945, tech better than in 39, but everything else being rotten to the core showing lacks and ersatz everywhere, but alas, none of that is present. The best most of GW writers can do is grimderp for the sake of grimdumb, without even considering the consequences of what they wrote being true...

I had pretty much forgotten about the Ork rumor as well.

Maybe someone can remind me if the following is a legit rumor or if I am mis-remembering someone's wish-list.

8th edition Orks are getting Looted Tanks back, with rules that allow them to pull vehicles out of other Codexes (with modifiers to stat lines.)

 techsoldaten wrote:
8th edition Orks are getting Looted Tanks back, with rules that allow them to pull vehicles out of other Codexes (with modifiers to stat lines.)

Looted vehicles, maybe, but modified stat lines from other codexes? That sounds like wishlisting.

 BrookM wrote:
An Armageddon campaign would be nice.

Armageddon 4: The Return of The Revenge! 'This time it's personal!'

Be interesting if Ghazzy model got an update with the fluff. He was a normal boy when Grotsnik patched him up. Only took a couple yrs to unify Uruk. They warp off to Armageddon but are repelled. Ghazzy spends 54 yrs keeping low profile to test new tek and tactics and reappears at the head of a massive Waaaagh and is the size of a dreadnought. 56 or so yrs to get from boy to dread. If the storyline advanced 200 more yrs he oughta be massive by now or dead as a failed warboss. Should note too that Armageddon 3 was both the largest land and space battle the Imperium experienced up to that point in their history including surpassing the Ullanor crusade and the Siege of Terra during the HH.

Speaking of Armageddon, for some reason it's stuck in my head, as though I came across it somewhere, that he'll be back on Armageddon or latest fluff retconned and he never left.

I took the image and warped and modified it back to a flat like aspect, and ran what enhancement I could on the pixels to sharpen... was too low res to get too much more out of it, but the flatter image offers a bit better feel for what is in the pipe -

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I took the image and warped and modified it back to a flat like aspect, and ran what enhancement I could on the pixels to sharpen... was too low res to get too much more out of it, but the flatter image offers a bit better feel for what is in the pipe -

exalted! when does that WD drop?

I'm not convinced the walker isn't a converted Baby Carrier. I am convinced the Koptaz are new.

Oh no, it's way too big. If it is indeed inspired by 'The Beast', it will be a massive, armored ork covered in weapons. It won't be a little Ork in a big suit, it will be a gigantic suit.

GW don't really do conversions much anymore, not in these WD style spreads anyways.

My money is on giant 'Beast' class prime-ork...

TBH it looks like Megatron from the Michael Bay films.

This was a very cruel preview on GW's part.

Wasn't that thing confirmed has a converted Dreadknight from somebody?

That is the new gaz model and they are hiding it in plain site lol. Deff koptas are also new

One things that makes me question it being Ghaz or not, it looks to me to be blue, and I def don't see a checker in sight... those are not Ghaz/Goff colors... then again, I can't imagine them making that kit without an alt-build.

#squadgoals

I don't play Orks myself, but I would hope that not only does Ghazzy get a huge new model, but that he gets Primarch-level stats and abilities to make him as powerful as his fluff suggests.

 Formosa wrote:
Ah good old BOL(lock)S, the article has no substance and is basically saying “orks are coming at some point and may have some new models”

Isn't this every BOLS article? Nothing but click-bait.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I don't play Orks myself, but I would hope that not only does Ghazzy get a huge new model, but that he gets Primarch-level stats and abilities to make him as powerful as his fluff suggests.

So... beatable by a Commissar?

I'd like to see him get Makari back

 Dysartes wrote:

 ZergSmasher wrote:
I don't play Orks myself, but I would hope that not only does Ghazzy get a huge new model, but that he gets Primarch-level stats and abilities to make him as powerful as his fluff suggests.

So... beatable by a Commissar?

I'd like to see him get Makari back

Ha. Nice. Makari perched on his shoulders waving a banner would be a nice touch.

 MajorTom11 wrote:

GW don't really do conversions much anymore, not in these WD style spreads anyways.

That's a funny statement, when all the Imperial Guard models in the picture are converted.

 Formosa wrote:
Ah good old BOL(lock)S, the article has no substance and is basically saying “orks are coming at some point and may have some new models”

yeah BOLS likes ton state the obvious, make some baseless speculation and paint it up as new rumors.

 Formosa wrote:
Ah good old BOL(lock)S, the article has no substance and is basically saying “orks are coming at some point and may have some new models”

If memory serves right, i think temouloun said orks were gettinh stuff com june. He's nailed these last months in so far (and started in november) so it is possibly

Those of us that are waiting patiently for real news find this thread to nowt but disappointment.

Can we please shut it down?

 MajorTom11 wrote:
Oh no, it's way too big. If it is indeed inspired by 'The Beast', it will be a massive, armored ork covered in weapons. It won't be a little Ork in a big suit, it will be a gigantic suit.

GW don't really do conversions much anymore, not in these WD style spreads anyways.

My money is on giant 'Beast' class prime-ork...

Not much except you know whole IG army against those orks?-)

Though then again more big models no surprise. As long as you can play old units competively without those being force fed upon you by broken rules all good.