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Would love something like this too:

Would be cool to see Deathkoptas repackaged so that we don't have to buy leftover models from three editions and starter sets ago.

 Togusa wrote:

 Tamwulf wrote:
Armageddon IV: Chaos wins again, which is unacceptable because it would change the entire narrative of 40K, and so the results will be marginalized despite the overwhelming, crushing victory by Chaos.

Chaos BLEW UP CADIA and all the World Stones (Or Ward Stones? Or whatever they were), and what happened? Not a Chaos God thing. If anything, it was a good thing for the Imperium as it galvanized Cawl to log off from World of Warcraft, the Eldar to birth another God, and resurrect Bobby G who then swiped in to save the day.

That was almost two years ago, and nothing has changed since.

Back on topic, Bell of Lost Souls is like watching Fox News- you can never quite figure out if they are being serious or if it's "Fake News".

The whole splitting the galaxy twain, severing the Imperium in half and loading them down with more threats than they've ever had before not withstanding?

I wouldn't say that Man is doing all that well at the moment.

And if any of that had any real effect on the Imperium's ability to have armies and Big Hero Men characters show up whenever required, it might have some meaning,but it doesn't. They write this or that chapter or character into a corner, then they write them out again, or they write some other thing that makes up the difference - the rift and ostensibly resurgent Chaos are immediately countered by Rowboat and his Merry Primaris. If they really boost up the Orks, either the Imperium will get a corresponding boost, or some deus ex machina will prevent the Orks from exploiting whatever advantage they're supposedly given.

40K is treading water just as much as it ever was as a temporally static setting, they've just changed over to perpetually rearranging the deckchairs.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Would be cool to see Deathkoptas repackaged so that we don't have to buy leftover models from three editions and starter sets ago.

They all ready have the capacity to do this. They have the sprue for a one-Deathkopta all ready made for the Vedros kits. All they have to do is make a production run of it and put it into a proper 40k box. Minimal effort on their part.

And then the new Codex entry for Deffkoptas would have Rokkitz and nothing else, because that's all the kit would have.

We don't want a mono-pose kopta kit.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And then the new Codex entry for Deffkoptas would have Rokkitz and nothing else, because that's all the kit would have.

We don't want a mono-pose kopta kit.

The really weird thing is that the Buggy kit comes with a Multi-Melta, which Buggies can't use.

 Glane wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And then the new Codex entry for Deffkoptas would have Rokkitz and nothing else, because that's all the kit would have.

We don't want a mono-pose kopta kit.

The really weird thing is that the Buggy kit comes with a Multi-Melta, which Buggies can't use.

Is it possible thats just a big shoota?

 Nurglitch wrote:
I think the Mek Gun had (has?) the worst price/points cost ratio of any GW model. Which is annoying because they're great in-game.

Or rather kustom mega kannon is great in game. Other's less so which makes it annoying as one could use bits and scratch build others making them much cheaper. But since the other 3 are rather stinky in game terms not much help...You don't want to spend that much effort to waste on those mek guns(well bubble chukka or two can be fun for laughs but hardly competive choice. But fun little mini game of it's own and rather orky!)


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 Blitza da warboy wrote:

 Glane wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And then the new Codex entry for Deffkoptas would have Rokkitz and nothing else, because that's all the kit would have.

We don't want a mono-pose kopta kit.

The really weird thing is that the Buggy kit comes with a Multi-Melta, which Buggies can't use.

Is it possible thats just a big shoota?

Not just possible. It IS big shoota. Well originally heavy bolter before GW decided orks have their own weapons. But obviously enough heavy bolters were made into big shootas. Dakka dakka dakka.

tneva82 wrote:
Not just possible. It IS big shoota. Well originally heavy bolter before GW decided orks have their own weapons. But obviously enough heavy bolters were made into big shootas. Dakka dakka dakka.

I think you're getting a little confused here, tneva - the Warbuggy kit has what used to be a multi-melta on top. The Wartrakk kit from GorkaMorka has the (twin?) big shoota on it.

Huh. Looks like solid slug weapon to me.

tneva82 wrote:
Huh. Looks like solid slug weapon to me.

A, I remember the datacard when it was released - trust me, multi-melta in 2nd edition

B, Look at the, for want of a better term, fuel tanks just back from the barrels. A common design component for multi-meltas.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Huh. Looks like solid slug weapon to me.

A, I remember the datacard when it was released - trust me, multi-melta in 2nd edition

B, Look at the, for want of a better term, fuel tanks just back from the barrels. A common design component for multi-meltas.

Well look at that. I could have sworn it's heavy bolter.

Well that makes it surprising GW didn't invent orky multi melta with their model=rules attitude.

I’m pretty sure the AoBR/Vedros Kopta shares a sprue with some of the other components, so if we do see a new Kopta kit, I would imagine it’ll be a fresh sprue, hopefully meaning there are options for other guns/saws/bommz. Think the aesthetic of the old ones still holds up well, mind.

tneva82 wrote:
Well look at that. I could have sworn it's heavy bolter.

Well that makes it surprising GW didn't invent orky multi melta with their model=rules attitude.

Considering that a buggy with a twin multi-melta would actually be a very useful thing for an ork army to have, it's also pretty sad.

 Glane wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And then the new Codex entry for Deffkoptas would have Rokkitz and nothing else, because that's all the kit would have.

We don't want a mono-pose kopta kit.

The really weird thing is that the Buggy kit comes with a Multi-Melta, which Buggies can't use.

The Loota\Burna kit comes with the options for a Big Mek to have a Rokkit Launcha, a Big Shoota, or a KMB, but they only include a arm for the (left handed) KMB so you have no way, using what comes in the box, to use the other 2 options. Quality.

Anyway, as someone with an Ork army I guess I'd like to see new models but a huge Ork release? I feel like, a few models aside (buggies, koptas, Thraka, weirdboy?) we're in a pretty good place. Some of the kits that are old aren't actually bad, like the Boyz sprues.

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Huh. Looks like solid slug weapon to me.

A, I remember the datacard when it was released - trust me, multi-melta in 2nd edition

B, Look at the, for want of a better term, fuel tanks just back from the barrels. A common design component for multi-meltas.

Isn't that just a Skorcha? Fuel tanks would definitely point at that before MM, and IIRC old ork art had definitely flamer-like weapon on top of buggy...

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Maybe not a line, but 'a release' that isn't just a character like the necron guy recently, but a couple of units.

But necrons don't have units or characters that belong to the 90s like the warboss or buggies. Necrons are all quite recent models, they don't need anything new. What about finecast monopose squads? Those are something that sould be updated as well and necrons only have flayed ones IIRC other than characters. Orks have kommandos and tankbustas that no one buys because they're very expensive, monopose and made in finecast, any ork player kitbashes those units using regular boyz because the original kits are terrible.

Eldar or dark eldar could be a better example than necrons, they do need massive new releases, just like orks. Too many ancient models and too much finecast as well for both armies.


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 Ouze wrote:

 Glane wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And then the new Codex entry for Deffkoptas would have Rokkitz and nothing else, because that's all the kit would have.

We don't want a mono-pose kopta kit.

The really weird thing is that the Buggy kit comes with a Multi-Melta, which Buggies can't use.

The Loota\Burna kit comes with the options for a Big Mek to have a Rokkit Launcha, a Big Shoota, or a KMB, but they only include a arm for the (left handed) KMB so you have no way, using what comes in the box, to use the other 2 options. Quality.

Anyway, as someone with an Ork army I guess I'd like to see new models but a huge Ork release? I feel like, a few models aside (buggies, koptas, Thraka, weirdboy?) we're in a pretty good place. Some of the kits that are old aren't actually bad, like the Boyz sprues.

Yeah I think we just need buggies and 2-3 characters. Maybe new kommandos and tankbustas kits.

 Irbis wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Huh. Looks like solid slug weapon to me.

A, I remember the datacard when it was released - trust me, multi-melta in 2nd edition

B, Look at the, for want of a better term, fuel tanks just back from the barrels. A common design component for multi-meltas.

Isn't that just a Skorcha? Fuel tanks would definitely point at that before MM, and IIRC old ork art had definitely flamer-like weapon on top of buggy...

That looks more like an artist's impression of a multi-melta, to me. Also, a Scorcha is based on a Wartrakk (the kettenrad-looking halftrack), not a Warbuggy.

Basically, if it's got a straight barrel with long vents and a fuel tank, it's a melta weapon. If the muzzle is conical, or it has a pilot light burner, it's a flamethrower.

I hope orks do get a solid new release. It's kind of the only logical explanation for why it's taken so long for rules to come out for them.

Personally I'd like to see the boyz redone, or new "primaris" boyz to come out, maybe as a re-emergence of the guys out of the "I am slaughter" stuff last year. The current kit is characterful but they are lacking in detail compared to what GW can do nowadays.

 Irbis wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Huh. Looks like solid slug weapon to me.

A, I remember the datacard when it was released - trust me, multi-melta in 2nd edition

B, Look at the, for want of a better term, fuel tanks just back from the barrels. A common design component for multi-meltas.

Isn't that just a Skorcha? Fuel tanks would definitely point at that before MM, and IIRC old ork art had definitely flamer-like weapon on top of buggy...

As AndrewGPaul mentioned, when this was released the Skorcha was a different vehicle entirely - a wartrakk with a trailer, from memory - see the painted example here.

Mandragola wrote:
I hope orks do get a solid new release. It's kind of the only logical explanation for why it's taken so long for rules to come out for them.

Personally I'd like to see the boyz redone, or new "primaris" boyz to come out, maybe as a re-emergence of the guys out of the "I am slaughter" stuff last year. The current kit is characterful but they are lacking in detail compared to what GW can do nowadays.

Please no. Better boyz model sure but don't make it new unit replacing old ones.

Mandragola wrote:
Personally I'd like to see the boyz redone, or new "primaris" boyz to come out,

That would be awesome, especially since we could mix and match these new "primaris" boyz with old boyz. Contrary to Marines, Orks have more individuality and differently sized Orks in a single mob wouldn't be too shocking (it's those boyz that are about to challenge the Nob in order to replace him).

 Nym wrote:

Mandragola wrote:
Personally I'd like to see the boyz redone, or new "primaris" boyz to come out,

That would be awesome, especially since we could mix and match these new "primaris" boyz with old boyz. Contrary to Marines, Orks have more individuality and differently sized Orks in a single mob wouldn't be too shocking (it's those boyz that are about to challenge the Nob in order to replace him).

That's what I would do with them. I have far too many Boys to justify new larger ones unless they were a new unit of some kind.

Regarding the buggy and trakk question
The buggy had a multi-melts the trakk had a twin Bigshoota and there was a Schorcha trakk as well. The buggies multi-melta under 2nd ed rules also acted like a heavy flamer, like all multi-meltas atthe time.

I'm just looking forward to getting mt hands on a new codex. We have armies to chrush and tables or pointless objective to plunder!

If they redo the Boyz kit, I’m hoping for one of two things:

-The Boyz are still close in scale to existing Boyz, and don’t stick out too badly when mixed together. That way we get more conversion bits for our hordes. While this would be the ideal from my point of view, I don’t have too much hope for it working out, as I’m persnickety about scale and GW loves it’s scale creep. Changing scale would be especially annoying if they add new weapon options that require us to use the new kit.

-The Boyz stay as they are and a new baseline infantry kit is introduced, similar to how Ironjawz were introduced in AoS. That way the scale creep is understandable and they can exist as their own separate unit, or form the basis of a totally different Ork army. Perhaps this would be a good way to get ‘Ard Boyz or Skarboyz back in game - preferably with weapon and rules options that make them different from Boyz or Nob squads.

 Irbis wrote:
Isn't that just a Skorcha?

When it was first released, it was a Multi-Melta.

I would love to have Ard Boyz back. Rules wise it gave a cheapish unit that could take a hit while having the numbers to sit on objectives.

Model wise, I have a ton of second edition armored boys that look like samurai with axes that want to play again.

Don't know if it has been mentioned but the models in the White Dwarf were confirmed not to be new models. The guy said it was just converted stuff.

Is there a (hypothetical) list of kits we can expect to be A) re-released with new kits. B) Disappear from the Codex entirely. C) Be kept without new models being released?

I have an Ork force comprised of Boyz, Nobs, Koptas, Big Gunz and a few other gubbins. I'm already sad that my looted wagon has had its rules taken away (and it's too small to proxy as a Battlewagon and too 'shooty' for a trukk).

I've been itching to buy some more boyz, burna/loota kits and some bitz from Kromlech to kitbash a load of Kommandos/Tank Bustas but have held off since this news

As for making Orks larger in the Beats Arises book... i think this was a kinda lazy and narrow idea... "GIANT ORKS!!! THAT'S HOW WE WILL MAKE THEM COOL!"... No... you're just copying from fantasy at that point. As a friend told me. It's just Flanderization of the Ork's aspect that they grow tougher and smarter the more they fight. Ork's are special to 40k because they're not as similar to LOTR Orks as you might think and by just turning them into monsters (beasts) you're ruining the fun magic behind them. I like the idea that Meks grow smart and make some awesome technology because of experience and experimentation... Not because they just unlocked level 999 abilities in their skill trees. We have to remember (some real Ork lore here... none of this headcanon stuff!) Orks (after the Old Ones) were a slave race to the Brain Boyz who were the ones who designed the Orks. They (unlike the Old Ones) had plenty of time to interject their own genetics and abilities into the Ork's so their race may live on through them (because they were all slowly dying of a plague). They focused on technology and creativity and not making big trolls!

Also how the hell would a gigantic Stompa Sized Ork in the cult of Speed supposed to be able to ride his kustom bike he spent most his life and teeth making? You're making some very sad Ork bikers GW!!!!

 Wulfmar wrote:
Is there a (hypothetical) list of kits we can expect to be A) re-released with new kits. B) Disappear from the Codex entirely. C) Be kept without new models being released?

I have an Ork force comprised of Boyz, Nobs, Koptas, Big Gunz and a few other gubbins. I'm already sad that my looted wagon has had its rules taken away (and it's too small to proxy as a Battlewagon and too 'shooty' for a trukk).

I've been itching to buy some more boyz, burna/loota kits and some bitz from Kromlech to kitbash a load of Kommandos/Tank Bustas but have held off since this news

I think the only thing we can say with relative confidence is that there will be some sort of wheeled vehicle - likely some sort of buggy, possibly part of some sort of Gorkamorka re-release.

Beyond that l, it really depends on whether GW plan on giving Orks the same kind soft reboot / fleshed out mini-faction treatment they’ve been giving to Marines, Chaos and Eldar, or if they’re going to be keeping things relatively stable and just filling holes like they’ve done with Necron, Dark Eldar and Tau. My money is on the former, which unfortunately means it’s harder to predict what kind of new ideas we get.