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Footslogging within Haemonculus/Urien's aura to boost their T value. With venoms, talos, flyers, ravagers, etc.. also on the table there's enough target saturation to keem them alive for long. If they are prioritized by the enemy shooting other valuble stuff survives. I've only played Prophets of Flesh with 4++ though.

I've never tried to deepstrike them by the webway stratagem though, it could also be a rewarding combo.

 Niiai wrote:
I wad wondering. How many Grotesques do a dark eldar army usualy bring if they bring Grotesques? (For 8th edition. Things might change for 9th. But I am amsuming new terrainrules will be good for them.)

One of my enemies sometimes brings about 20.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
I wad wondering. How many Grotesques do a dark eldar army usualy bring if they bring Grotesques? (For 8th edition. Things might change for 9th. But I am amsuming new terrainrules will be good for them.)

One of my enemies sometimes brings about 20.

20?! What model did he build them out of? Shurly not the offisial model.

 Niiai wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
I wad wondering. How many Grotesques do a dark eldar army usualy bring if they bring Grotesques? (For 8th edition. Things might change for 9th. But I am amsuming new terrainrules will be good for them.)

One of my enemies sometimes brings about 20.

20?! What model did he build them out of? Shurly not the offisial model.

Well, he uses Crypt Horrors.

I used Ogres, pre painted sorry no updated pic.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
I used Ogres, pre painted sorry no updated pic.

Spoiler:

Well, Ogres are a bit cheaper. A box with 5 Ogor Gluttons is 39€,
while a box with three Crypt Horrors is 40€.

Ogres are way cheaper, almost 50%. I also made my grots converting those, I was lucky to get a few ogre legs+torso for dirty cheap from a bitz site and had enough arms from the ogre box to assemble 9 dudes.

 Blackie wrote:
Ogres are way cheaper, almost 50%. I also made my grots converting those, I was lucky to get a few ogre legs+torso for dirty cheap from a bitz site and had enough arms from the ogre box to assemble 9 dudes.

However, Crypt Horrors have a very nice dynamic pose, while Ogres look rather static.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Blackie wrote:
Ogres are way cheaper, almost 50%. I also made my grots converting those, I was lucky to get a few ogre legs+torso for dirty cheap from a bitz site and had enough arms from the ogre box to assemble 9 dudes.

However, Crypt Horrors have a very nice dynamic pose, while Ogres look rather static.

I use Crypt for Clawed fiends tho

I use Crypt for Clawed fiends tho

So you really play Clawed fiends? Explain?

 wuestenfux wrote:

I use Crypt for Clawed fiends tho

So you really play Clawed fiends? Explain?

Not Currently but in 6th/7th i did when i made them

The problem is that making ogres look good really means I need to buy spare parts. While using crypt fiends I feel I can get away with just using them spare some special weapons.

If I use crypt fiends I can use the ghouls as wracks. :-)

Yeah, it was just an idea for you. Some also use Rat Ogres.

I used Stormfiends with spare Talos bits. They're some of my favourite models.

Drager wrote:
I used Stormfiends with spare Talos bits. They're some of my favourite models.

Before the new Obliterators I used Stormfiends as mine, they LOOKED amazing. My whole CSM army was fully converted. Sadly i sold it, luckily i sold it for 4x the cost b.c it was so unique. I'll message him and ask for pics, i still talk to the guy that bought them. I can show my Heldrake adn LoS right now as an example.

Drager wrote:
I used Stormfiends with spare Talos bits. They're some of my favourite models.

The Talos box is magical christmas land for bitz

I use WereSheWolves from raging heroes but that is by far the least economically viable option, they double as my fiends of slaanesh... probably why i only own 4 lol

 Turnip Jedi wrote:

Drager wrote:
I used Stormfiends with spare Talos bits. They're some of my favourite models.

The Talos box is magical christmas land for bitz

But once I buy the talos box the cost of the proxies go up a lot. Although taloses are comsidered good.

Yep the Dark Kin do have a somewhat swingy price points from reasonable (by GW) stuff like Kabalites and Wyches ( that you can use to bash hqs) to absurd like the beasts (razorwing flock being a good shout at best worst priced in the whole range) with grots stuck in the middle with a fair sized unit costing around the same as staples like trip razorjets, ravagers or Talos

Yeah.. for Beasts if you want RWF and still be official GW models, just get the beasts of chaos endless spell, its $35 USD and comes with 3 plastic RWF's, compare to the $18 for 1 fine cast.

Sadly I think they had their moment of glory in index 8th when wounds carried a very low points value, probaly shifted a lot of those zombicide crows as the proxy of choice

They still work just fine right now.

So questions: DE bikes where good in 8th because tvey could tie up stuff. Are there some secondery role they can theoretically do if they can not tie up tanks in 9th?

Reavers are decent enough now i think. At least in the way i'm about to run them. I haven't been able to find out due to corona and michigan having one of the most severe lockdowns in the usa despite no longer being one of the worst effected states by it.

I may quit this game due to how frequently the meta changes and how expensive everything is now. I always say it but i can never take the plunge.

Well do you need new models every time the meta shifts?

To bad about the lockdown. Or to bad about the corona vitus rather. Here in Norway we had the lockdown a period and now many things are back to normal. Schools are open. Stil people have home offises. But there are a lot less sick. Relative healthy countries have even opened up for travel, like between Norway and Denmark.

Corona is gonnr be with us for a while. Years perhaps. Hopefully the endgame will be a vacine. Clearly itbis affecting the hobby. You just need to quarentine people until the contamination spread number becones under 0,99 and hold it there for a while. And then have a soft opening. At least that is the Norwegian model and other countries do it as well. As gewer people have it you can play again relativaly safe. I do not want to accidentaly kill somebody who is compromised becaused I played with some plastic wargames.

It will be fine, it just takes time.

 Niiai wrote:
Well do you need new models every time the meta shifts?

It mostly depends on how big your collection of models is, how the units changed with the new codex, and what kind of competitiveness you're seeking. I had a 4000-5000 points army that I mostly played in 7th and when 8th came I didn't add a single model (in fact, I eventually ended up selling the army, lol) as the units that were good before remained good and I had enough models to do the little changes I needed to adapt to the new editon.

If I was a meta chaser and wanted to win tournaments I would certainly have needed to buy new models, like all other factions' competitive players. But I was satisfied with the collection I had, in fact the very same models were even more competitive than they were in the previous edition.

Well, every shift of the meta changes the effectiveness of models and units at the battlefield.
This is intended and is the way GW sustains the purchase of products.
Drukhari has some variety of models ranging from troops to (light) tanks so that it should be possible to adapt to every meta shift.
Aeldari and SM are certainly in a better position but I won't complain.

Yes but no matter what the core of DE is and will always be viable, kabal, vehicles, and transports. Units like reavers, beasts, hellions, mandrakes, scourges, grots, cronos, incubi, etc.. all rotate out time to time. But if you have a solid core you shouldn't need to actually buy more models or swap much. Even if Grots rotated out, if the rest of your army is solid then a couple subpar units is 100% fine.

As long as you are not spending insane amounts of units that are niche and you have a solid 1300 ish points of core DE you shouldn't have anything to worry about.



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PS and some units just never been good, like Hellions. Don't buy them unless they actually become good lol.

I'd say right now don't get Hellions, Clawed Fiends, Khymeraes, Ur-ghuls, Medusae for now.

Then these will be more for fun, they can work and should be fine for the future but are slightly weaker, Reavers, Scourges, Cronos, RWF's, Incubi.

And Finally, don't get any FW things right now, they have completely redone all FW and GW did it not the FW team, wait till we see the Index 2.0 for FW.

Agree with Amishprn86 100%.

I'm fairly confident that my Venom/Kabalite playstyle, supported by some Talos will still be fine come 9th. I'm also quietly optimistic that my proclivity for equipping all my Sybarites with Blast Pistols might actually be better than it was.

That said, I'm curious if we'll see more FW Reapers now that their weapon no longer suffers a penalty for moving and shooting.

 Niiai wrote:
Well do you need new models every time the meta shifts?.

Personally no, but having slowly collected for 30 years or so I can swap stuff in and out as whilst my Deldar isnt anywhre near my CWE Ive got enough core units, if i do 9th the only things id be tempted by is new drazhar and a Cronos, just to replace the fall over metal ones and maybe if i was feeling spendy a box of kabalites/wychs to make some hqs as the metal ones show their age quite badly, might also have a go at kitbashing a Reaper out of a spare raider and a leftover Prism cannon