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 Amishprn86 wrote:
I think he is talkig about the relic?, and you still have to buy the weapon but you must also take a weapon no matter what, so its effectively 54pts even if she is 50 base.

Yeah, but the Glaive was free in the index, so I'd assumed it still was.

Yeah, the relic is +3 str, ap-3 D3d no hit penalty. And you can only have one of those succubi because it needs both a warlord trait and a relic. She also comes with an agonizer, which costs 4 points, hence 54 not 50.

EDIT: She can in fact replace agonizer with a splinter pistol.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Raulengrin wrote:
Just got my codex. Red Grief Succubus is no joke. 3++/6+++ with warlord trait, S6 Ap-3 D3D hitting on 2+ with 4 attacks. Move 10" with movement drug, advancing and charging with rerolls. Or give her the extra attack drug for 5 attacks and stick her in a transport. All for 54 points.

So, wait, does the Glaive actually have Power Fist stats now? Or is this with a relic?

Also, is 54 the base price? I heard it was 50pts.

I think he is talkig about the relic?, and you still have to buy the weapon but you must also take a weapon no matter what, so its effectively 54pts even if she is 50 base.

did she lose access to the splinter pistol? I thought she had the option of a 0 cost weapon loadout with the glaive and the pistol.

To answer the Glaive question: what he's referring to is both a warlord trait (the 3++) and a relic (the S6 no -1 to hit glaive) so it doesn't work with a supreme command detachment, only one succubus gets to be awesome.

Compared to current stats the only change to the basic glaive is D3 damage.

Am I to assume then that the ordinary Glaive is still crap?

the_scotsman wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Raulengrin wrote:
Just got my codex. Red Grief Succubus is no joke. 3++/6+++ with warlord trait, S6 Ap-3 D3D hitting on 2+ with 4 attacks. Move 10" with movement drug, advancing and charging with rerolls. Or give her the extra attack drug for 5 attacks and stick her in a transport. All for 54 points.

So, wait, does the Glaive actually have Power Fist stats now? Or is this with a relic?

Also, is 54 the base price? I heard it was 50pts.

I think he is talkig about the relic?, and you still have to buy the weapon but you must also take a weapon no matter what, so its effectively 54pts even if she is 50 base.

did she lose access to the splinter pistol? I thought she had the option of a 0 cost weapon loadout with the glaive and the pistol.

To answer the Glaive question: what he's referring to is both a warlord trait (the 3++) and a relic (the S6 no -1 to hit glaive) so it doesn't work with a supreme command detachment, only one succubus gets to be awesome.

Compared to current stats the only change to the basic glaive is D3 damage.

Oh, you're right, she can replace the agonizer with a pistol. So only 50 points! However the Blood Galive is actually better that the standard glaive on several accounts.

Standard Glaive is S+2 AP-3 1D -1 to hit. Blood Galive is S+3 Ap-3 D3D

Raulengrin wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:

 vipoid wrote:

Raulengrin wrote:
Just got my codex. Red Grief Succubus is no joke. 3++/6+++ with warlord trait, S6 Ap-3 D3D hitting on 2+ with 4 attacks. Move 10" with movement drug, advancing and charging with rerolls. Or give her the extra attack drug for 5 attacks and stick her in a transport. All for 54 points.

So, wait, does the Glaive actually have Power Fist stats now? Or is this with a relic?

Also, is 54 the base price? I heard it was 50pts.

I think he is talkig about the relic?, and you still have to buy the weapon but you must also take a weapon no matter what, so its effectively 54pts even if she is 50 base.

did she lose access to the splinter pistol? I thought she had the option of a 0 cost weapon loadout with the glaive and the pistol.

To answer the Glaive question: what he's referring to is both a warlord trait (the 3++) and a relic (the S6 no -1 to hit glaive) so it doesn't work with a supreme command detachment, only one succubus gets to be awesome.

Compared to current stats the only change to the basic glaive is D3 damage.

Oh, you're right, she can replace the agonizer with a pistol. So only 50 points! However the Blood Galive is actually better that the standard glaive on several accounts.

Standard Glaive is S+2 AP-3 1D -1 to hit. Blood Galive is S+3 Ap-3 D3D

Wait, seriously the standard glaive DIDNT go up to D3 damage?? Damn, that was rumored in a couple places.

screw you GW, I was so looking forward to semi-usable Succubi... Looks like it's red grief relic succubus or strife tryptich whip build or bust, then.

It seems you can replace the glaive and agonizer with the standard wych weapons now. So razorflails, etc.

Also something I haven't seen floating around before, but maybe I missed it. Talos chain flails got a bit better! Still same statline, still rerolls wounds, but now you make 2 attack rolls for each attack. So 10 attacks per Talos.

AH, i miss that, lol. Thanks for clarifying, so you can if wanted too take a 50pt succubi, ok.

Also to clarifying, beasts need a beastmaster to unlock, Beastmasters gives 4 no slot beast just like Archons give 4 no slot Courts.

DE is really limited on Brigades it seems.

the_scotsman wrote:
Wait, seriously the standard glaive DIDNT go up to D3 damage?? Damn, that was rumored in a couple places.

screw you GW, I was so looking forward to semi-usable Succubi... Looks like it's red grief relic succubus or strife tryptich whip build or bust, then.

Yeah, that's really disappointing. They could have at least removed the -1 to hit penalty from the standard Glaive, which is nothing but a middle-finger to DE players.

Or, as you say, give it full Power Fist stats.

 Amishprn86 wrote:
AH, i miss that, lol. Thanks for clarifying, so you can if wanted too take a 50pt succubi, ok.

Also to clarifying, beasts need a beastmaster to unlock, Beastmasters gives 4 no slot beast just like Archons give 4 no slot Courts.

DE is really limited on Brigades it seems.

Actually it looks like the rule for both court and beasts changed to so long as you have the appropriate unit (archon or Beasmaster) you can include as many as you want, not just 4 per anymore. And nothing seems to prevent you from bringing either without an archon or beastmaster, they would just take up slots at that point.

Raulengrin wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
AH, i miss that, lol. Thanks for clarifying, so you can if wanted too take a 50pt succubi, ok.

Also to clarifying, beasts need a beastmaster to unlock, Beastmasters gives 4 no slot beast just like Archons give 4 no slot Courts.

DE is really limited on Brigades it seems.

Actually it looks like the rule for both court and beasts changed to so long as you have the appropriate unit (archon or Beasmaster) you can include as many as you want, not just 4 per anymore.

People with the codex are telling me its limited 4 per, before in the index they were Elites or Fast and if you took an Archon for BM you got 1 unit without a slot.

We'll know for sure in a couple days tho when everyone has it, and not a couple stores selling early bc of early shipments

 Amishprn86 wrote:

Raulengrin wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
AH, i miss that, lol. Thanks for clarifying, so you can if wanted too take a 50pt succubi, ok.

Also to clarifying, beasts need a beastmaster to unlock, Beastmasters gives 4 no slot beast just like Archons give 4 no slot Courts.

DE is really limited on Brigades it seems.

Actually it looks like the rule for both court and beasts changed to so long as you have the appropriate unit (archon or Beasmaster) you can include as many as you want, not just 4 per anymore.

People with the codex are telling me its limited 4 per, before in the index they were Elites or Fast and if you took an Archon for BM you got 1 unit without a slot.

We'll know for sure in a couple days tho when everyone has it, and not a couple stores selling early bc of early shipments

EDIT: Nevermind, there is a random box on a completely different page that covers the rule. Right, only 4 per detachment for courts and 3 per detachment for beasts.

So, the succubus can take a Shardnet and Impaler, Hydra Gauntlets or Razorflails. hmmm. Razorflail succubus with Cursed Blade kills an extra 1.4 GEQ per round of combat, that's pretty good. Hydra gauntlets have you pretty much treading water vs 3+ saves, but since most of the basic characters you'll be up against have invulns, the additional wounds you get pre-saves will probably outperform the AP-3 on a glaive.

I will most likely start equipping my CB succubi like that, as much as it pains me that the stupid 4 point wych upgrade weapons are the best option I've got. The glaive is just...so terrible.

Since you are looking at a codex, a few questions I haven't seen elsewhere

Point cost of talos/chronos with standard weapons?
Changes to profile of beasts?
Changes to point costs of any of the beasts?
Changes to price / stats of the beastmaster? It looked like someone had him now only telling 1s instead of all missed hits?

Frowny wrote:
Since you are looking at a codex, a few questions I haven't seen elsewhere

Point cost of talos/chronos with standard weapons?
Changes to profile of beasts?
Changes to point costs of any of the beasts?
Changes to price / stats of the beastmaster? It looked like someone had him now only telling 1s instead of all missed hits?

Talos with 2 macro scalpels and 2 splinter cannons: 103

None to Clawed fiend or Khymerae, Razorwings are WS4+ 4 attacks ap-1 now, all else same

Clawed fiend: 32ppm, Khymerae: 10ppm, Flock, 12ppm

Beastmaster: 40ppm with gear, indeed only rerolls 1. No longer has access to beastmaster's scourge, must take agonizer. No wargear options.

I've also got a few questions if you've got the time:

1) Is there definitely no artefact or such that grants extra speed/flight?

2) What does the Animus Vitae do? 3++ mentioned it, but didn't give its effect.

3) Apparently there's a generic warlord trait called Soul Thirst. "+1A on first round of combat, heal 1 wound per model slain in fight phase." Is that correct?

blendertalos is indeed an interesting option now. So Talos has the option to be a generalist with the cleaver, an anti-infantry beast with the chainflail, or an anti-tank weapon with the pimp hand. That's good for folks who like their pain engine armies.

 vipoid wrote:
I've also got a few questions if you've got the time:

1) Is there definitely no artefact or such that grants extra speed/flight?

2) What does the Animus Vitae do? 3++ mentioned it, but didn't give its effect.

3) Apparently there's a generic warlord trait called Soul Thirst. "+1A on first round of combat, heal 1 wound per model slain in fight phase." Is that correct?

1) I thought I read a post about you coming to terms with this. There's nothing.

2) Once per battle, 6" grenade 1 weapon with no stats. If it hits, target suffers d3 mortal wounds. If anything is killed, units within 6" of bearer counts power from pain as 1 higher for the rest of the turn so long as they stay within 6" of bearer. Hot garbage.

3)Yes, though the wording is on the turn they charge, were charged, or made a heroic intervention. Wound restore is on model killed.

the_scotsman wrote:
blendertalos is indeed an interesting option now. So Talos has the option to be a generalist with the cleaver, an anti-infantry beast with the chainflail, or an anti-tank weapon with the pimp hand. That's good for folks who like their pain engine armies.

yeah for a Coven army it'll be fine, but i think in a basic Tri cult list, i would go Wracks or Grots for coven options.

 Amishprn86 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:
blendertalos is indeed an interesting option now. So Talos has the option to be a generalist with the cleaver, an anti-infantry beast with the chainflail, or an anti-tank weapon with the pimp hand. That's good for folks who like their pain engine armies.

yeah for a Coven army it'll be fine, but i think in a basic Tri cult list, i would go Wracks or Grots for coven options.

Depends if you like Urien. He looks to be pretty hot gak with Taloi.

So on Talos that looks like about a 25 point drop (~20%), on top of gaining -1 AP, +1 attacks and the obsession benefits. Plus some of the other weapons are more appealing now (Haywire blasters etc.). Not terrible, although I still worry they'd be too slow unless you are going all-in on coven units.

I'm sad the beasts didn't get changed at all. Strong DE lists prior to the codex never ever used them, instead focusing on kabelites in raiders/venoms. Fortunately, they dropped the price of both raiders and kabelites without beasts at all. Oh well. At least the beastmaster is much more reasonably priced. 60->45 is pretty ok.

Someone misread the talos rule earlier. The weapon is not an extra hit roll for each attack, it's 1 extra attack for fighting, like a chainsword. Should not be getting 10ish attacks.

Edit: nevermind I thought they were referring to the macroscalpel. It's the other weapon.

Raulengrin wrote:
1) I thought I read a post about you coming to terms with this. There's nothing.

Just thought I'd check.

And no, I didn't say I'd come to terms with it. Only that I'd stop ranting about it.

Raulengrin wrote:

2) Once per battle, 6" grenade 1 weapon with no stats. If it hits, target suffers d3 mortal wounds. If anything is killed, units within 6" of bearer counts power from pain as 1 higher for the rest of the turn so long as they stay within 6" of bearer. Hot garbage.

Well I'm sure glad there's no flight relic. I'd have hated it if GW had been forced to cut this gem from the codex to make room.

Raulengrin wrote:
3)Yes, though the wording is on the turn they charge, were charged, or made a heroic intervention. Wound restore is on model killed.

Nice.

Thanks for replying.

GW is legally required to give one colossally gakky grenade relic to Dark Eldar each edition, in the tradition of the (in)famous ORBS OF MISERY from last ed.

the_scotsman wrote:
GW is legally required to give one colossally gakky grenade relic to Dark Eldar each edition, in the tradition of the (in)famous ORBS OF MISERY from last ed.

Ah, of course.

Oh, looks as if Clawed Fiends get an extra attack if they've been wounded. So there are some changes to beasts!

Does anyone confirm the Haemunculus Coven stratagems that Scotsman told? The rerolling wounds in fight and regain d3 wounds on a monster I mean.
What about all the the Grots and Haemunculus weapons, the ''weapons of torture''? Do they have all the same stats?
Last thing, is the Talos fist flat D3 o Dd3? Cs if its just a d3 damage like a normal fist, the macroscalpel is more or less the same against vehicles...

 DarklyDreaming wrote:
Does anyone confirm the Haemunculus Coven stratagems that Scotsman told? The rerolling wounds in fight and regain d3 wounds on a monster I mean.
What about all the the Grots and Haemunculus weapons, the ''weapons of torture''? Do they have all the same stats?
Last thing, is the Talos fist flat D3 o Dd3? Cs if its just a d3 damage like a normal fist, the macroscalpel is more or less the same against vehicles...

It's the same as a normal fist. It bumps the talos' strength up to 8 and has an extra AP, it does more damage on average vs T7 and T8 targets as long as the extra AP point matters (i.e. no invuln saves)

That said...yeah, if that chainflail change is true, and it give you 10 attacks... that's a much more compelling reason to swap out a scalpel than "I'm fighting a tank and I need 10% more oomph to kill it"


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 DarklyDreaming wrote:
Does anyone confirm the Haemunculus Coven stratagems that Scotsman told? The rerolling wounds in fight and regain d3 wounds on a monster I mean.
What about all the the Grots and Haemunculus weapons, the ''weapons of torture''? Do they have all the same stats?
Last thing, is the Talos fist flat D3 o Dd3? Cs if its just a d3 damage like a normal fist, the macroscalpel is more or less the same against vehicles...

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Dark_Eldar(8E)#Universal

It's already on the 1d4chan tactics article. "Fleshcraft" and "Torturer's Craft"

the_scotsman wrote:

 DarklyDreaming wrote:
Does anyone confirm the Haemunculus Coven stratagems that Scotsman told? The rerolling wounds in fight and regain d3 wounds on a monster I mean.
What about all the the Grots and Haemunculus weapons, the ''weapons of torture''? Do they have all the same stats?
Last thing, is the Talos fist flat D3 o Dd3? Cs if its just a d3 damage like a normal fist, the macroscalpel is more or less the same against vehicles...

It's the same as a normal fist. It bumps the talos' strength up to 8 and has an extra AP, it does more damage on average vs T7 and T8 targets as long as the extra AP point matters (i.e. no invuln saves)

That said...yeah, if that chainflail change is true, and it give you 10 attacks... that's a much more compelling reason to swap out a scalpel than "I'm fighting a tank and I need 10% more oomph to kill it"


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 DarklyDreaming wrote:
Does anyone confirm the Haemunculus Coven stratagems that Scotsman told? The rerolling wounds in fight and regain d3 wounds on a monster I mean.
What about all the the Grots and Haemunculus weapons, the ''weapons of torture''? Do they have all the same stats?
Last thing, is the Talos fist flat D3 o Dd3? Cs if its just a d3 damage like a normal fist, the macroscalpel is more or less the same against vehicles...

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Dark_Eldar(8E)#Universal

It's already on the 1d4chan tactics article. "Fleshcraft" and "Torturer's Craft"

Chain flail is even 1 point cheaper than the scalpel. And the fist is 1d3 damage.

And what of the Cronos? Any buffs to that one? Or is Talos the clear and obvious pick?