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When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
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Ouze wrote: When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is it really that surprising that 40% of a given society are donkey-caves?
EDIT: Having had some time to come back to this (see mod post down the page) I apologise for my post here. I took what I wanted to say and framed it in a overgeneralized, abrasive fashion that didn't communicate the idea I intended.
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Ouze wrote: When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is it really that surprising that 40% of a given society are donkey-caves?
No, it really isn't. If you're going to make statements like that, it's time for some introspection and evaluation of your own position.
Ouze wrote: When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is it really that surprising that 40% of a given society are donkey-caves?
No, it really isn't. If you're going to make statements like that, it's time for some introspection and evaluation of your own position.
Trump got (roughly) 63 million votes and enjoys 85% support from his party. That's 54 million adults who are demonstrably some combo of "racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity."
So 40% is an exaggeration. The provable figure is more like 17%. A lot better than 40%, but still a disappointing number.
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Ouze wrote: When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is it really that surprising that 40% of a given society are donkey-caves?
No, it really isn't. If you're going to make statements like that, it's time for some introspection and evaluation of your own position.
So you are saying it isn't surprising that 40% are donkey-caves? I agree, that's what I was saying.
Ouze wrote: When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
I would agree with this and add that in a lot of ways bigots seem encouraged to voice bigotry not because someone is telling them it's okay but because everyone else is saying it's not okay. They're like angsty rebellious teenagers shoving the middle finger at the man, except the middle finger is disgusting commentary and the man is common decency.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
It was this realization that left me in a post-election stupor of shock for about 6 months.
Same. My entire viewpoint on where most Americans stand regarding our social struggles completely shifted after watching a blatant racist/sexist/elitist maroon win a national election.
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Ouze wrote: When Roseanne was cancelled, I was wondering if this would be a pushback on the newly-found boldness bigots have. I thought to myself, well, they feel empowered by Trump as POTUS, maybe.
But then I thought that's really not true at all. Trump really isn't the catalyst for any of the gakky stuff you see now. White nationalists haven't been empowered by Trump; he's a symptom, not a disease.
Thinking he's an aberration and this isn't how America really is, is probably ducking an unpleasant truth.
They are real Americans, because this is how America really is.
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is it really that surprising that 40% of a given society are donkey-caves?
No, it really isn't. If you're going to make statements like that, it's time for some introspection and evaluation of your own position.
Trump got (roughly) 63 million votes and enjoys 85% support from his party. That's 54 million adults who are demonstrably some combo of "racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity."
So 40% is an exaggeration. The provable figure is more like 17%. A lot better than 40%, but still a disappointing number.
That seems like a more reasonable conclusion, but the methodology by which you got there is terrible.
Self-interest drives many of the choices we make, and there were plenty of people who voted for Trump because they thought he'd do better than Hillary at lowering taxes, creating jobs, helping small businesses, keeping the military strong, etc. And they continue to back him because they still think he's better than the alternative. There's nothing inherently racist, sexist, delusional, or integrity-challenged about those old-school GOP positions and interests. Trump may or may not actually be about those things and/or an effective executive, but the point remains that people think he's more likely to achieve those objectives that will benefit them.
I submit that what Trump's election showed is how Americans really view their representatives. That for all his moral and ethical failings, Trump wasn't an outlier compared to other DC politicians in many voters' eyes.
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Self-interest drives many of the choices we make, and there were plenty of people who voted for Trump because they thought he'd do better than Hillary at lowering taxes, creating jobs, helping small businesses, keeping the military strong, etc. And they continue to back him because they still think he's better than the alternative. There's nothing inherently racist, sexist, delusional, or integrity-challenged about those old-school GOP positions and interests. Trump may or may not actually be about those things and/or an effective executive, but the point remains that people think he's more likely to achieve those objectives that will benefit them.
I submit that what Trump's election showed is how Americans really view their representatives. That for all his moral and ethical failings, Trump wasn't an outlier compared to other DC politicians in many voters' eyes.
Those people are delusional. Trump's corruption and incompetence is not "politics as usual".
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Okay, now that I’ve had time to look through the thread and all the alerts it has generated… The discussion stemming from this:
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is not what we have an off-topic forum for on Dakka. Even limited to a single thread, taking guesses at generalizing large swaths of people groups as “ists / isms” is not what we’re here for, on a forum devoted to discussing toy soldiers.
We’re not going to always (or even ever!) all agree, and there are some very valid concerns that could be posted about both the current situation of politics in the US, and about tolerance in the world in general. But that tolerance also extends to discussing those who disagree with you, and not generalizing / stereotyping them.
So, I’m going to give this thread a chance to cool off, and unlock it in a day or two. Please think about how you could post your views / disagreements without resorting to "ists/isms" in the meantime. Thanks all...
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So. Seems trump kim meeting is on for a now at least. And trump managed to say letter he got from kim was nice and interesting before even reading it. Trump trying to claim he has paranormal abilities?
Also trump putin meeting seems to be coming. Yup yup
RiTides wrote: Okay, now that I’ve had time to look through the thread and all the alerts it has generated… The discussion stemming from this:
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is not what we have an off-topic forum for on Dakka. Even limited to a single thread, taking guesses at generalizing large swaths of people groups as “ists / isms” is not what we’re here for. Examples could be: “30% of Christians are bigoted” “45% of Muslims are intolerant” “50% of Democrats hate babies” “65% of Republicans hate the poor”. Do you see how unhelpful this kind of discussion is?
As posted above:
If you're going to make statements like that, it's time for some introspection and evaluation of your own position.
We’re not going to always (or even ever!) all agree, and there are some very valid concerns that could be posted about both the current US administration, the tone of discussion of minority groups in the US, and just tolerance in general. But that tolerance also extends to discussing those who disagree with you and not generalizing / stereotyping them. In this case, that would be someone who voted for the current president, which has to be an awful lot of Dakka posters (even though I am not one).
So, I’m going to give this thread a chance to cool off, and unlock it in a day or two. Please think about how you could post your views / disagreements without huge generalizations, stereotypes, and “ists / isms” about those who disagree with your view in the meantime. Thanks all!
ok, I want to have it here and now: Is the Gun control discussion here, or elsewhere, because that discussion got ping ponged by mods between no less that three different threads, with some mods telling us to bring it back here, while others asked that it go elsewhere.
Has there been a mod consensus on this finally, or should there be a separate thread for it?
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tneva82 wrote: So. Seems trump kim meeting is on for a now at least. And trump managed to say letter he got from kim was nice and interesting before even reading it. Trump trying to claim he has paranormal abilities?
Also trump putin meeting seems to be coming. Yup yup
we'll see what happens, we're playing with two actors known to be extremely unreliable and curiously fickle and who keep vaccilating between great respect and admiration and utter disdain almost weekly now depending on which one needs a nappy change.
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RiTides wrote: Okay, now that I’ve had time to look through the thread and all the alerts it has generated… The discussion stemming from this:
It's how SOME of the US really is. 40% is some combination of racist, sexist, delusional, and severely lacking integrity. We can guesstimate that this is a reasonable approximation of the percentage of Americans who are donkey-caves (assuming that some Republicans are not, some non-Republicans are, and these two roughly balance out).
Is not what we have an off-topic forum for on Dakka. Even limited to a single thread, taking guesses at generalizing large swaths of people groups as “ists / isms” is not what we’re here for. Examples could be: “30% of Christians are bigoted” “45% of Muslims are intolerant” “50% of Democrats hate babies” “65% of Republicans hate the poor”. Do you see how unhelpful this kind of discussion is?
As posted above:
If you're going to make statements like that, it's time for some introspection and evaluation of your own position.
We’re not going to always (or even ever!) all agree, and there are some very valid concerns that could be posted about both the current US administration, the tone of discussion of minority groups in the US, and just tolerance in general. But that tolerance also extends to discussing those who disagree with you and not generalizing / stereotyping them. In this case, that would be someone who voted for the current president, which has to be an awful lot of Dakka posters (even though I am not one).
So, I’m going to give this thread a chance to cool off, and unlock it in a day or two. Please think about how you could post your views / disagreements without huge generalizations, stereotypes, and “ists / isms” about those who disagree with your view in the meantime. Thanks all!
ok, I want to have it here and now: Is the Gun control discussion here, or elsewhere, because that discussion got ping ponged by mods between no less that three different threads, with some mods telling us to bring it back here, while others asked that it go elsewhere.
Has there been a mod consensus on this finally, or should there be a separate thread for it?
They answered that in the Nuts & Bolts thread. US gun politics goes in the US Politics thread.
I would, however, argue that gun control and such is best left out, anyway. It never ends well.
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Here. It will no doubt come up in any threads about speciifc public shootings but as a general matter discussion of gun politics in the United States goes in the US Politics thread. Here is a link to an extensive conversation about the rationale if you are interested in discussing it further:
So while the thread was closed the terrible being in human skin D'Souza got pardoned by Trump for obvious reasons. Why fire Mueller when you can just undermine the entire legal system right?
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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Disciple of Fate wrote: So while the thread was closed the terrible being in human skin D'Souza got pardoned by Trump for obvious reasons. Why fire Mueller when you can just undermine the entire legal system right?
Yeah, he's been getting pretty... well, 'liberal' with his pardons. I expect him to pardon himself shortly before the impeachment just to try and muddle things more.
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Disciple of Fate wrote: So while the thread was closed the terrible being in human skin D'Souza got pardoned by Trump for obvious reasons. Why fire Mueller when you can just undermine the entire legal system right?
Yeah, he's been getting pretty... well, 'liberal' with his pardons. I expect him to pardon himself shortly before the impeachment just to try and muddle things more.
If this doesn't work well enough he might have to resort to pardoning murderers to see if someone gets that hint
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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Impeached ? Why would anyone want to impeach Him ?
He is gonna be president for the next 7 years, at least ! And I can't wait to see him being Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Korean War ! 2017 was sooo cool but 2018 is gonna be interesting too (get ready for the Red winning in November folks) !
At least? Its not at least, that's how the Constitution works, you only get 8 at most. And unless the Democrats pick a really bad choice, its going to be very rough for Trump in 2020.
As for him ending the Korean War, its a funny thing to joke about, as the man has no idea what he is dealing with. Its already clear that US terms as they stand now would be unacceptable to Kim.
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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Disciple of Fate wrote: At least? Its not at least, that's how the Constitution works, you only get 8 at most. And unless the Democrats pick a really bad choice, its going to be very rough for Trump in 2020.
As for him ending the Korean War, its a funny thing to joke about, as the man has no idea what he is dealing with. Its already clear that US terms as they stand now would be unacceptable to Kim.
Yes I am aware of the Constitution, but we never know ! Yeah, I remember when He had 1% and it would be very rough for Him to win, do you ?
In fact, I don't think him to be a good man, to be honest I find him funny but I truly think he is a bad man, a man I wouldn't enjoy being near. But if he has one quality to my mind, it would be to know how men works, and how to get them to agree with him. I truly believe he can end the war.
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Disciple of Fate wrote: At least? Its not at least, that's how the Constitution works, you only get 8 at most. And unless the Democrats pick a really bad choice, its going to be very rough for Trump in 2020.
As for him ending the Korean War, its a funny thing to joke about, as the man has no idea what he is dealing with. Its already clear that US terms as they stand now would be unacceptable to Kim.
Yes I am aware of the Constitution, but we never know ! Yeah, I remember when He had 1% and it would be very rough for Him to win, do you ?
In fact, I don't think him to be a good man, to be honest I find him funny but I truly think he is a bad man, a man I wouldn't enjoy being near. But if he has one quality to my mind, it would be to know how men works, and how to get them to agree with him. I truly believe he can end the war.
He never had 1%, it was always relatively close when taking the margin of error into account. It was basically correct in the predictions though, Clinton did get more votes, Trump just got lucky his votes happened in the right places to win. But you're ignoring that Trump had his best opponent in someone that was absolutly vilified over 20 years so people could go they're equally bad! If Democrats pick a run of the mill candidate that alone might already put Trump in danger and Trump is motivating his opponent's base.
He doesn't really know how men work though. This is why he gets so easily misled by people such as Xi. Trump has been used to yes-men and smaller people he can push out of his way in business. So far internationally he has not gotten anyone to agree with him, in fact he actually started a trade conflict with his closest allies two days ago. He can't make deals because he doesn't want to compromise. And to be fair its useless to compromise with North Korea, as NK has always been dishonest. But NK isn't going to just give Trump everything so that Kim potentially gets something in return. Look at what Trump has offered NK, its nothing, so what will they talk about if Kim says no?
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tneva82 wrote: Seeing he's demanding nk to accept us invasion no he don't.
Also he's idiot with zero trustworthiness. Nobody trusts him enough to even ask what time it is
Wow, amazing case here
Well, no, Trump isn't even trusted by his supporters. Many of them, my own brother included, are convinced that he will at last end the world, and begin the apocalypse so that Christ can return.
I've read the bible. I believe that many of these people will be surprised by Christ's most likely reaction to this. It may involve Last Judgment and a Lake of Fire.
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Nathan Larson, a 37-year-old accountant from Charlottesville, Virginia, is running for Congress as an independent candidate in his native state. He is also a pedophile, as he admitted to HuffPost on Thursday, who has bragged in website posts about raping his late ex-wife.
In a phone call, Larson confirmed that he created the now-defunct websites suiped.org and incelocalypse.today ― chat rooms that served as gathering places for pedophiles and violence-minded misogynists like himself. HuffPost contacted Larson after confirming that his campaign website shared an IP address with these forums, among others. His sites were terminated by their domain host on Tuesday.
On the phone, he was open about his pedophilia and seemingly unfazed about his long odds of attaining government office.
“A lot of people are tired of political correctness and being constrained by it,” he said. “People prefer when there’s an outsider who doesn’t have anything to lose and is willing to say what’s on a lot of people’s minds.”
When asked whether he’s a pedophile or just writes about pedophilia, he said, “It’s a mix of both. When people go over the top there’s a grain of truth to what they say.”
Asked whether there was a “grain of truth” in his essay about father-daughter incest and another about raping his ex-wife repeatedly, he said yes, offering that plenty of women have rape fantasies.
According to Larson’s campaign manifesto, his platform as a “quasi-neoreactionary libertarian” candidate includes protecting gun ownership rights, establishing free trade and protecting “benevolent white supremacy,” as well as legalizing incestuous marriage and child pornography.
In the manifesto, Larson called Nazi leader Adolf Hitler a “white supremacist hero.” He urged Congress to repeal the Violence Against Women Act, adding, “We need to switch to a system that classifies women as property, initially of their fathers and later of their husbands.” He also showed sympathy for men who identify as involuntary celibates, or incels, suggesting it is unfair that they “are forced to pay taxes for schools, welfare, and other support for other men’s children.”
Using the pseudonyms Leucosticte and Lysander, Larson frequently participated in conversations on his own message boards, he confirmed to HuffPost.
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Until it was pulled down, Larson’s site Nathania.org, a wiki page with details about his latest candidacy, featured posts titled “A Man Should Be Allowed to Choke His Wife to Death as Punishment for Cutting Her Hair Short Without Permission, or Other Acts of Gross Insubordination,” “Advantages of Father-Daughter Incest” and “The Justifiability of an Incel’s Kidnapping a Girl and Keeping Her as His Rape-Slave for Sex and Babymaking.” Wiki pages can be edited by other people, but Larson confirmed he wrote these posts as well as several other disturbing entries.
In “Let’s Define What Rape Is,” a 3,000-word essay posted on Nathania.org as well as other incel sites, Larson wrote: “Women are objects, to be taken care of by men like any other property, and for powerful men to insert themselves into as it pleases them, and as they believe will be in women’s own interests. In most cases, their interests are aligned, as long as the man is strong. Female sex-slaves actually get a much better deal than animals, because in most cases, they are allowed to reproduce, unlike animals raised for meat or companionship.
there's a whole load of equally jaw dropping stuff through the link, especially the pro incest stuff.
Larson’s political ambitions span more than a decade. He first ran for Congress in Virginia’s 1st District in 2008 on what he described as an “anarcho-capitalist” platform. That same year, he sent a letter to the Secret Service threatening to kill the president, which landed him in federal prison for 14 months and barred him from seeking public office.
But in 2016, then-Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) restored voting and other civil rights to thousands of felons, allowing Larson to campaign yet again. In 2017 he ran in Virginia’s House of Delegates District 31 and secured less than 2 percent of the vote. Now he is gunning for a seat in Virginia’s 10th Congressional District
of course.
what a time to be alive eh ?
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