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Unfortunately, the data sheets in the boxes will become outdated and there's no way of telling which data sheet is the most recent.

Also the forgebane point costs for some ad mech stuff isn't correct per CA. So there's that problem as well. For example the enhanced data tether FB 9 points CA 5 points. Normally I would state that the newer publication has the correct points. I'm not so sure with GW.

Leo_the_Rat wrote:
Unfortunately, the data sheets in the boxes will become outdated and there's no way of telling which data sheet is the most recent.

Which is why they put the Power Level in instead of Points.

Also the forgebane point costs for some ad mech stuff isn't correct per CA. So there's that problem as well. For example the enhanced data tether FB 9 points CA 5 points. Normally I would state that the newer publication has the correct points. I'm not so sure with GW.

Because print products have a longer lead time and aren't done in-house.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:
My belief is that they will start releasing Campaign books and each campaign book will have new units if possible. This way they can add interesting stories and battles while enlarging existing rosters. It's what they did in the end of 7th with decent success.

It's also something that was dropped at the end of 7th and AoS because of the fact that people complained about "too many books" being necessary to play.

The problem is that that is the only way they can reliably introduce new units and points without rereleasing a faction codex shortly after it has already been released. Although if they start making proper unit datahsheets(like the one in AoS) and have them be included in the unit box then that could be a viable venue.

You mean like they just did with the Armigers and Crypteks and have been doing with everything that has gotten reboxed?

You realize that the Forgebane box is more or less a Campaign book that comes in a big box? The rules are in the Forgebane Campaign book, although the Necrons did get their Cryptek updated inside their codex as it came a week later.

And you realize that anything that has been reboxed has had its updated rules in them right?

Seriously. Go buy and Primaris or Death Guard stuff.


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 Eldarsif wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Eldarsif, now all the models come with the datasheet in the Box.

And GW posts the matched play point costs online if they don't are in a book.

I know about the datasheets, although the ones I have bought have been rather gak(except for the Bonesinger. Full color splendor there). However, where do you see the point costs? I admit I haven't noticed those.

You don't. Just like you don't in AoS. You have to buy army books for points.

Hmmm...

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/PDF/Downloads/K3ns3JDOGE2asjf/Primaris-week-4/IORF435R4_ENG_Primaris_Marines_Release_04_July_29th.pdf

The Bonesinger dathasheet for example has the point cost included, like Sly Marbo and Einsenhorn for Matched play.

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 Inquisitor Lord Katherine wrote:
I would like to see admech tanks.

Tank-tanks, with an aesthetic similar to the Ordinatus.

I don't think we'll see that, though.

all we need is for FW to make 8th edition rules for thier 30k ad mech line.
solves all the problems of the immensly unit lacking GW ad mech.

yes, yes and more yes. I want legio cybernetica stuff in 40k. o and the badass archmagos on the mobile techno-pulpit.

I'd like refreshed kits. I mean there are some really old or monopose models/squads that need to uptaded.

I don't want new factions, in fact I'd even merge several of the smaller ones because I think there are too many independent factions.

Not sure about new units as well, I think the catalogue is pretty wide. Just a few new releases for the medium sized armies (in terms of available kits) like orks or drukhari could be cool. I'm absolutely against a full new line of products like the primaris thing.

Where are the points for Marbo? I didn't see them in my box.

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
Where are the points for Marbo? I didn't see them in my box.

I can't encounter if they have posted it somewhere but:

I just feel like they'll only update existing kits if they can somehow put in new options, meaning that they aren't that excited about doing it. Otherwise it might not be worth it as so many people already have certain old kits.

How many kits have they updated(full kits, not HQ) overall?

I remember at least the Windrunners, but that also brought us Scatter Lasers en masse.

Ideally they would get around to updating the existing range so they can completely phase out Finecast. Some armies need this quite badly.

The argument against this is that entirely 'new stuff' sells more than new versions of existing units (evidence?). I would argue that this is more of a marketing issue than a product issue.

 Eldarsif wrote:

How many kits have they updated(full kits, not HQ) overall?

Tau strike teams, pathfinders, crisis suits, etc...
Dark Eldar kabalites, wyches, hellions etc...
Marine Tac squads, assault squads etc...
Necron immortals, wraiths, spyders etc...

That's just off the top of my head.

Dandelion wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

How many kits have they updated(full kits, not HQ) overall?

Tau strike teams, pathfinders, crisis suits, etc...
Dark Eldar kabalites, wyches, hellions etc...
Marine Tac squads, assault squads etc...
Necron immortals, wraiths, spyders etc...

That's just off the top of my head.

Not to mention refreshes of various SM kits over time.

While I understand the need for refreshed kits, I'd personally like some different missions/gamemodes to be introduced or given 8th edition rules.

For example, I'd love zone Mortalis 8th edition rules. First, because I have a fully modular board. Secondly, I have a few players in my group think that zone Mortalis "won't have as much carnage as normal 40k".

I think I'll show them the true meaning of carnage! XD

What i would like to see is the good old fashion 4 codecies per year and actually updating models with the new codex release

I think we'll have at least a year of filling stuff out and replacing stuff, with the odd new army. Basically we'll see a bit of all three.

Sisters will essentially be a new army. I'm sure we'll see some sort of Khorne book, which will essentially be a new army.

At some point they'll have to grasp the nettle and sort out Aspect Warriors. Finecast troops are simply not the corporate strategy. So I could imagine a decent sized Eldar release.

If we were to assume the Kroot rumour was true, that's basically four armies to all intents and purposes. Maybe mixed in with a few spot releases (an AdMech tank isn't out of the question, the Chaos lord kit, some more Primaris (especially characters) are inevitable).

That will fill out 2019.

I expect Ynnari to be the "decent sized Eldar release" personally.

I'd like to see a combination of new units and refreshed kits as there are plenty of kits in dire need of an update. New units as well simply because some armies feel very incomplete (admech and harlequins come to mind). I'd also like to see some units get rewritten rules either to make them less overpowered/undercosted or to actually make them useful again as rhinos are absolute w*nk this edition and it's sad to see them in such a sorry state. A new xenos faction would be nice as well just to even up the ratio of imperium codecies to non imperium codecies.

Dandelion wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

How many kits have they updated(full kits, not HQ) overall?

Tau strike teams, pathfinders, crisis suits, etc...
Dark Eldar kabalites, wyches, hellions etc...
Marine Tac squads, assault squads etc...
Necron immortals, wraiths, spyders etc...

That's just off the top of my head.

Weren't the Dark Eldar and Necrons a full line revamp? I remember wracks getting an update, but they also added the Ossefactor to tempt those who had everything(as well as the Raider and Venom options). Same thing with Tac and Assault Squads as they got the grav stuff, combiweapon loadouts, and that big Chainsword.

Can't speak of the Tau though as I have no experience with them.


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 Kanluwen wrote:
I expect Ynnari to be the "decent sized Eldar release" personally.

I find that very likely as well.

I'd like to see them redo some of the more popular character models. They've redone Kharn, Typhus and Ahriman recently which are great, but there's still so many characters that are starting to show their age:
- Abaddon
- Ghazgkull (still looks good, but with the models they make now they could really make a better version)
- Tycho
- Dante
Just to name a few.

The biggest insult probably was removing them from Dark Eldar, they lost so many characters, some of which even had models, albeit very old ones. I don't see why they could have kept the rules for them at least.

For my Necrons, I would love some Campaign Books, with historical battle rules and/or rules to host your own campaign. Maybe a Warzone type book or remakes of things like Cities of Death.

I would also love new unit choices. Like, come on. The Silent King, please?

Updated kits, especially Finecast.

Espectially Aspect Warriors. THere are rumors that there are new Dark Reaper kits... Would be a great way to allow a repointing of that unit - by releasing a datasheet with the kit with points on it. Probably won't happen, but would be excellent.

The only plastic Aspects are the Crimson Hunter and the Dire Avengers.

The other thing I'd love is HQ boxes like the old SM Commander - not the clampack crap we currently get. For all my factions.

 Eldarsif wrote:

Dandelion wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

How many kits have they updated(full kits, not HQ) overall?

Tau strike teams, pathfinders, crisis suits, etc...
Dark Eldar kabalites, wyches, hellions etc...
Marine Tac squads, assault squads etc...
Necron immortals, wraiths, spyders etc...

That's just off the top of my head.

Weren't the Dark Eldar and Necrons a full line revamp? I remember wracks getting an update, but they also added the Ossefactor to tempt those who had everything(as well as the Raider and Venom options). Same thing with Tac and Assault Squads as they got the grav stuff, combiweapon loadouts, and that big Chainsword.

Can't speak of the Tau though as I have no experience with them.

Wait, did you mean "update without adding any options"? If that's the case then likely no. But let's be real, making older kits into dual kits with more load out options is preferable in every way to just a kit refresh. So for aspect warriors and such they could probably invent some new weapon variants to get people to buy the kits, and everyone gets what they want.

Beast of Nurgle, Plague Marines, Rubric Marines, GUO, Lord of Change, etc... we have very recent cases of old finecast kits being remade.

Hey, the rumour engine has what could be a plume. Maybe we are getting aspect warriors in doubled up boxes.

I'd love to see the Aspects redone but I have a feeling they could be duel kits, maybe Banshees/Hawks and Scorpions/Dragons.

On the other end of things, giving Marines a LoW (Plastic Spartan?) across all flavours of Marines would fill the only unit type gap most of them have (excluding Primarchs).

Adding to the primaris marine line seems a no brainer, because there will be deathwatch primaris, grey knight primaris, and probably a few other hole filling primaris units, like a few new gravis units like a devastator variant or an assault variant, maybe even primaris terminators. Then they can upgrade the existing SM characters like when they do a primaris version of Calgar, Dante and Azrael.

When you look at the Deepkin, love or hate the underwater theme, it's obviously some of the best work GW has done. I'm looking forward to a new 40k factions done in a similar manner as well as refreshes of existing lines. Imagine if they redid eldar aspect warriors in a similar manner, as some of the most colorful and imaginative units in the game they could really go wild with poses wargear and optional bits.

ScarVet101 wrote:
I'd love to see the Aspects redone but I have a feeling they could be duel kits, maybe Banshees/Hawks and Scorpions/Dragons.

On the other end of things, giving Marines a LoW (Plastic Spartan?) across all flavours of Marines would fill the only unit type gap most of them have (excluding Primarchs).

Why would they need to mix the aspects? Just give each aspect more weapon options in the new kit to encourage older players to buy it. Like scorpions get a chain-glaive option or whatever. Then just say they had those weapons all along.

If we're just spit-balling in a kind of "wish list" fashion, I'd say the following:

I'd like GW to re-design old kits, but make better design choices in the process. I'd like to see numerous old miniature lines updated to modern plastic kits, mostly as dual kits --- so they can start to reduce SKUs. Then I'd like to see a return to command boxes, also to reduce SKUs (and to kill the obscene prices of single character models). There is no reason why Eldar, for instance, shouldn't have a $40 box which can let you build three Warlocks/Farseers/Spirtitseers in plastic - much like a Thousand Sons sorcerer box. This removes older minis from metal/finecast, removes the comical $30-35 pricetag for single plastic miniatures and provides options for players.

Same goes for things like Space Marine command squads. Produce a Primaris character box with techmarine, apothecary, chaplain in one box (even sharing sprues), and reduc the price. This process could reduce GW's SKUs by a lot, while simultaneously making a large customer base happy.

I only suggest this because plastic has ruined individual characterpurchases. $30-35-40 is ridiculous for a single plastic miniature, and while "command boxes" would hinder someone being able to buy a single character, the secondary market (eBay etc.) would cover that issue. GW could reduce the line of kits they have by a lot by combining a lot of these command figures. Named characters would probably still be solo, unless you offered them in a "Heroes of Chaos" style box, much like the triumvirate boxes from The Gathering Storm.

Dandelion wrote:

ScarVet101 wrote:
I'd love to see the Aspects redone but I have a feeling they could be duel kits, maybe Banshees/Hawks and Scorpions/Dragons.

On the other end of things, giving Marines a LoW (Plastic Spartan?) across all flavours of Marines would fill the only unit type gap most of them have (excluding Primarchs).

Why would they need to mix the aspects? Just give each aspect more weapon options in the new kit to encourage older players to buy it. Like scorpions get a chain-glaive option or whatever. Then just say they had those weapons all along.

Well, the reasoning behind why they would "need to mix the Aspects" is just that there's quite a few of them and that many plastic kits would be a bit haphazard.

I've long held that several of them could be mixed together with relatively little issue--Swooping Hawks and Howling Banshees, Dark Reapers and Fire Dragons, Striking Scorpions and Warp Spiders. The only one that wouldn't be able to 'get mixed' would be the Shining Spears--they'd be the ones most likely where you'd see new weapons and the like added in.
There was also a lot of speculation that the Ynnari, being "the Eldar Resurgent" to an extent and things like the Visarch, might be a way to introduce some "lost" Aspects.

It looks like Orks will be last and they really, really need updated kits. We need Primaris sized orks.

They wouldn't need to reintroduce "lost" aspects - per fluff, we only have models (and even drawings) of the most common Aspects, there are many, many more out there. Slicing Orbs of [Something] have been mentioned in a few codexes.

There was a rumor that they had a Dark Reaper kit with every guy carrying a Shuriken Cannon. That sort of option would be really cool in plastic, although I hope they keep "all 'Warriors use the same weapon" the Aspects currently have. Fire Dragons with 5 Flamers might not be effective, but they'd look cool and be fun. Banshees carrying some sort of Glaive? Hawks with a close-range weapon?

Not a fan of the dual kits (no pairings work well for both ideal poses and share-able bits), but it'd be better than failcast.

Compatible bits - like how you can use Tac bits on a SM Commander or ASM squad - is definitely ideal. It could yield some really cool looking Autarchs and Exarchs. CWE don't have great options for kitbashing currently (although I have kitbashed Asurmen, Bahroth, and Jain Zar).


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Also, note that Reapers were the one Aspect that revered Ynead before the Ynari.