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 Primark G wrote:
You can't really knock him for providing a service.

I can provide a service that crushes puppies with bricks. Doesn't mean you can't tell me it's awful service and that you think it's stupid.

What if the customer wants to mod a casual list though?

Sim-Life why don't you go post on some other threads. "Toxic" was pretty tame considering your immediate attempt to score points.

These guys aren't the first to offer list building services and they won't be the last.

Guess what... some people even pay others to build and paint their models! OMG!!!

 Silentz wrote:
Sim-Life why don't you go post on some other threads. "Toxic" was pretty tame considering your immediate attempt to score points.

These guys aren't the first to offer list building services and they won't be the last.

Guess what... some people even pay others to build and paint their models! OMG!!!

I would but I don't just reply to a thread unless I want to offer my opinion. I made a sarky comment that sums up my main issue with this kind of approach to the game, I'm not sure what you mean by "score points". I honestly wouldn't have taken issue unless I hadn't been accused of being "toxic" for offering a differing opinion. I'm allowed to do that because we don't live on Soviet Russia.

Equating comission painting to list building services is a false equivalence. You can't get people online to paint your models for free, your paint job doesn't effect the level of conversation online and having a good paint job on your models doesn't effect your ability to use them.

Also it's a free forum. I can post in whatever threads I want.

Dude stop being so uncool please.

 Primark G wrote:
Dude stop being so uncool please.

But I don't know how to be cool.

 KillswitchUK wrote:
No need to be toxic guys. Just trying to help the community that's all.

Don't you mean, "Just trying to make money?"

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You can't really knock him for providing a service.

I can provide a service that crushes puppies with bricks. Doesn't mean you can't tell me it's awful service and that you think it's stupid.

TIL, making warhammer lists is like killing puppies.

And folks wonder why Dakka is becoming the laughing stock of the community...

 KillswitchUK wrote:

 Sim-Life wrote:

But go on. "Help" the community by instructing new players to buy up destroyers and basilisks and then charging for it.

And there is your problem...
Happy to help you figure out what is actually good though

Bit of a "catch 22" for what is offered.
The list building will get "fluff play" folks knickers in a knot and those who like their competitive gaming tend to like to figure out their own lists.
That leaves those who like to "auto-win" who will complain bitterly if they lose using your ace lists.
The two more expensive options do give more of a service than a list which is nice to see.
You guys have bigger stones than I ever will... I salute you.

For more competitive stuff and analysis I would suggest:
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub
and
http://www.sirlin.net/articles/game-balance-and-yomi This is good for unit / army capability assessment.

Maybe have someone do a hammer logo for you?
The Thor hammer is rather distracting from your "brand".
Something like this?

Well, not "epic" enough but you got the idea.
Unless you want this:


I know it sounds a bit corny but do you have some kind of mission statement?
What are you all about? What do you want to do for the hobby or customers?
Why should the local guys look you up or folks like me over the pond?

The shop is organized well enough.
BTW, when I "sort by rating" how are the product rated or get a rating?

You may want to have the ETC link below your logo go to the same link as the one on the right margin.

Clean, bordering on spartan looking, you may want to group / frame the text with the videos on the main page... that much unbroken white is... odd.

Any means of implementing a search function for the site? <edit> I am an idiot... it is to the right bar. OK... make it more obvious for "challenged" people like me. <edit, edit> Sorry, it only searches "products"... I type in "FAQ" got nothing. Are the articles important as well?

You might want to add the author of the articles name at the beginning or end of the document.
http://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/04/23/how-to-get-good-at-playing-warhammer-40k/

The enthusiasm is good, a few touches here and there and it could develop along nicely.

Take a look at these guys for some ideas, they are literally up the road from me and have been around for quite some time:
https://www.miniwargaming.com

Best info I can give you with what I have seen.

MWG that was a good one! They get the rules wrong in every VBR.

 Sim-Life wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
You can't really knock him for providing a service.

I can provide a service that crushes puppies with bricks. Doesn't mean you can't tell me it's awful service and that you think it's stupid.

I think that was Primark's way of saying the service has "it's place".
Crushing puppies with bricks breaks a few laws so is a rather false equivalent.
Did you even look?
They offer one tier to talk on Skype about applications of the list.
The 3rd tier sends a bat-rep video and goes through scenarios of use.

Yep, just love to hear an opinion being spouted off.
Especially ones with no real meat to them... "sound and fury signifying nothing".

I am not exactly over the moon with what I see there, but it really is a good start.

I like the site, and I could see a few semi-serious players throwing in on the list-writing to see if they can up their game, or just out of curiosity.

Thanks for braving the troll bridges of dakkaland to post!

 Primark G wrote:
MWG that was a good one! They get the rules wrong in every VBR.

You must mean Dave.
Every company has one of his type.
Sure, feel free to point out something better, something to aspire to.
Maybe "Beasts of War" perhaps?

Quite an impressive site, it will be interesting to see how the article content grows particularly with the competition from the GW community pages.

Are you sticking with 40k only?

P&P rates in the store are a little high in comparison with other sites, as is the order value for free postage. But you need to get up and running. What you could consider is linking articles to offers and try to move some bulk figures. Most shops don't have the blogs so you have an advantage if you get the audience.

For example i have a rogue trader force, it is not strictly speaking legal at the moment, and I have never seen one discussed tactically or built. If I saw such an article six months ago and it linked me to figures it would have been credit card out time.

Will keep an eye on the site. Don't let it become too cluttered, one of the previous comments suggested you look at minimarket. There was far too much there to find anything.

 Talizvar wrote:

 Primark G wrote:
MWG that was a good one! They get the rules wrong in every VBR.

You must mean Dave.
Every company has one of his type.

Pretty much everyone except for possibly Steve - that is Quirk, Josh, Matthew and the new guy.

Thanks for all the honest feedback guys.

We launched the website and there is some things we need to polish up. We arnt website developers and did this all on our own backs so lots to learn and will take all the feedback on board.

To answer some questions:
The content we are providing is free. Posts depicting certain information, tactics, tournament coverage, videos etc....all free. It takes time...hours...days to do all of that.

Something we are offering as a "Service" is the list design. Now sure you can Google a list, you may even copy one of my lists, but that list would have already been out dated, nerfed or perhaps out of the meta. The idea is to provide something which is current with the meta (which is here in Europe are far ahead compared to the US). It's also something which we provide to those who want to buy a new army and rather than spending hours searching up a list (dakka isn't the place for a list which has the capability of winning or even doing well at a tournament t) then that's something we do.

Painting, list building, it's all part of it and for a small few it saves you a lot of time.

We also stream live events and games giving feedback on our twitch. We are all tournament winners and want to help players of all levels up their game and just watch some cool content.

Please bare in mind this isn't our job, it's just a community site which will hopefully become Europe's version of FLG. We want to build the ETC image, tell people what it's about and get some guest articles up and people's tournament experiences.

We will be covering other games, one such is star wars legion which we are running one of the first major events working with FFG in the UK which sold out in 2 days. We have lots of plans so like I said any feedback, positive or negative is greatly appreciated so we can make this work for everyone.

Thanks,
Alex

I hope you’re successful tbh.

Honestly my favourite part of it so far is the article talking about getting your arse kicked by Josh's battlewagon Orks, because the exact same thing happened to me at my first tournament

 Corrode wrote:
Honestly my favourite part of it so far is the article talking about getting your arse kicked by Josh's battlewagon Orks, because the exact same thing happened to me at my first tournament

Haha classic! I recall seeing that filth and calming a sigh of relief when I could take 3 jaws of the world wolf's haha

Our friends and regular blog posters over at D6 Evolution have released a new series of "Meta Busters". Go check out their latest video on how you can successfully defeat Custodes Jet Bike Armies.

https://www.glasshammergaming.co.uk/2018/05/04/meta-buster-killing-custodes-jet-bike-armies/

Or some of us can offer list constructing advice here. For free.

I can mostly see this as taking advantage of a poor kid that doesn't know any better by saying you're pros and that kinda crap, so your idea of payment is bad and you should feel bad.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Or some of us can offer list constructing advice here. For free.

I can mostly see this as taking advantage of a poor kid that doesn't know any better by saying you're pros and that kinda crap, so your idea of payment is bad and you should feel bad.

If people want free list advice they get what they get which is free non useful advice. Or you pay an exceptionally small fee to gain insight from players whom have won tournaments from across the world. People pay money to paint and build models when they can get free advice to do it themselves in the painting forum. If you're going to spend...say..£300 on a 2k army which might provide some good games localy then fine. But if you'd like to compete or perhaps enter a tourney then you may want to get some sound advice from those that actually do well. That's what we are effectively offering. If you don't like that, don't use it and continue to use suboptimal lists which are found on this forum.

We arnt forcing it on you. If you don't want to use it then move on. We have already had am exceptionaly large amount of emails, so there are plenty of those happy to pay a small fee to get some advice from those of us who have had success.

Thanks for the feedback.

 KillswitchUK wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Or some of us can offer list constructing advice here. For free.

I can mostly see this as taking advantage of a poor kid that doesn't know any better by saying you're pros and that kinda crap, so your idea of payment is bad and you should feel bad.

If people want free list advice they get what they get which is free non useful advice. Or you pay an exceptionally small fee to gain insight from players whom have won tournaments from across the world. People pay money to paint and build models when they can get free advice to do it themselves in the painting forum. If you're going to spend...say..£300 on a 2k army which might provide some good games localy then fine. But if you'd like to compete or perhaps enter a tourney then you may want to get some sound advice from those that actually do well. That's what we are effectively are offering. If you don't like that, don't use it and continue to use suboptimal lists which are found on this forum.

We arnt forcing it on you. If you don't want to use it then move on. We have already had am exceptionaly large amount of emails, so there are plenty of those happy to pay a small fee to get some advice from those of us who have had success.

Thanks for the feedback.

IOW, you downplay advice here and other forums (where tournament players CAN and DO post, mind you), so that the poor kid is tricked into thinking the only way they can build a winning army is by paying you guys.

Post any army list on Dakka's Army List forum and you'll get dozens of "suggestions" about how you should be playing this unit and that unit to be competitive. As far as I can tell your site does the same thing except with a batrep and a price.

Pretty good site. ETC faq has been hiding under the rock if one didn't know exactly where to look. Having it up there is really great.

I wish your site success and will look forward to more articles. Also don't let the salty crackers on dakka keep you down.

 Fueli wrote:
Pretty good site. ETC faq has been hiding under the rock if one didn't know exactly where to look. Having it up there is really great.

I wish your site success and will look forward to more articles. Also don't let the salty crackers on dakka keep you down.

Thank you. Agreed, there wasn't a central place for the rules pack but the site will have the most updated pack on it for everyone to use and check up on

As for the others, it's a shame but there will always be those that wish to express unnecessary slander when it does not effect them in any way.

As stated before, the advice on dakka is there, we have not taken that away. All we have offered is advice from players who actually win large tournaments and don't post their list ideas online.

 KillswitchUK wrote:

 Fueli wrote:
Pretty good site. ETC faq has been hiding under the rock if one didn't know exactly where to look. Having it up there is really great.

I wish your site success and will look forward to more articles. Also don't let the salty crackers on dakka keep you down.

Thank you. Agreed, there wasn't a central place for the rules pack but the site will have the most updated pack on it for everyone to use and check up on

As for the others, it's a shame but there will always be those that wish to express unnecessary slander when it does not effect them in any way.

As stated before, the advice on dakka is there, we have not taken that away. All we have offered is advice from players who actually win large tournaments and don't post their list ideas online.

Well human trafficking doesn't affect me directly either but I'm against it. The homeless problem in the SF bay area doesn't directly affect me but I still volunteer.

I'm giving extreme examples, sure. However, the point is that something doesn't have to affect me to bother me. All you're doing is taking advantage of some poor kids that don't know better. Why would I allow that to happen?

If you can't bother to take criticism on your frickin promotion, that's on you. You made this public, so expect me to slander rip-offs in public.

That was like.....the most rediculous example ever ...

Im taking you're critisism...and it's making me face palm. There are no poor kids, just adults who like some advice to better their game. In fact I need to stop biting...feeding a troll helps nobody. Thanks and good night.

Yeah don’t feed him that’s what he wants... I enjoyed the article about dealing with Custodes.

 Primark G wrote:
Yeah don’t feed him that’s what he wants... I enjoyed the article about dealing with Custodes.

Thanks mate. We are just working on our own videos at the moment. Problem is everyone's enjoying the sun over bank holiday weekend haha.