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From an anonymous poster on Faeit 212, for what it's worth

https://natfka.blogspot.in/2018/04/rumors-return-of-battlefleet-gothic-to.html

Rumors: The Return of Battlefleet Gothic to the Tabletop + Adeptus Titanicus


Is Forgeworld going to pick up Battlefleet Gothic? It appears that according to this rumor it will be picked up by Games Workshop with upgrades coming from Forgeworld. A very interesting mix with BfG going back to the Horus Heresy, and with the bar already very very high with Dropfleet Commander already on the market (rules by the original writer for BfG).

Also a little reminder that Adeptus Titanicus is coming, with some info here. Hopefully with Warhammer Fest right around the corner we will be getting some big announcements.
Still sad with no epic in the works.

via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Just heard some interesting things concerning Titanicus and Battlefleet gothic. Source is reliable

Titanicus
Coming out this year
Warlord will be the size of a knight: the warlord is the size of a knight I mean standard gw knight so roughly six inches tall.
All titans will be released and all knights in gw and forge world range
All in plastic
No epic in the works

Battlefleet gothic
Horus heresy set
Same model as necromunda e.g. Base models gw with forge world upgrades.
All legions with Imperial fleet.
If popular will expand to 41st millennium

I'm a big fan of the old Space Fleet models and the few bits of HH spaceship art we've had show ships along those lines so um... yeah, bring it.

But with Necromunda still having at least 2 more gangs and who knows how many supplements, and Titanicus coming my feeling is 2020 for BFG.

We should know what's up next during the Forgeworld Open Day in summer. Based on previous behaviour, it's when they've announced a new specialist game for later this year. The toss up is between AT and BFG...

My feeling is while they may start (re)writing the BFG rules they may well want to wait to do any hard core design work until they see how Titanicus does

after all the mini design work can in part be passed over to FW to make 28mm titan stuff if the game itself doesn't work as well as is hoped just like the work on necromunda supports 40K with terrain that's directly usable and other digital assets that can be reworked for 40K in other ways

BFG is the furthest outlier, the ships are, well, ships, not really transferable in the same way but the demand is going to be for it to be in plastic

they've also got to see whether the market can really sustain so many specialist games active at the same time (hopefully it can, but maybe by the time BFG hits the shelves one of the others may have to be at best paused with minimal new releases at best or dropped for a few years at worst)

Ideally, GW still has the original plastic ship molds in order to have some sort of starting point. But, wouldn't be surprised if they ditched them as soon as they dropped the Specialist Games.

Only issue I see is, with legion vs legion, barring colour schemes won't they be pretty identical?

I can't see that the upgrades will be that different, as the scale of the ships would be so small, it would be hard to distingush different types of missiles or weapon systems.

I'm just excited for the prospect of cool warhammer plastic spaceships.

If the rules are good, then even better. If they're gak, I have the BFG 2010FAQ and/or BFG:XR fan rules to fall back on.

No Xenos, no interest.

I know it is not a popular idea...but would love to see a clix based version of BFG (non collectable however)

Really don't think the Horus Heresy is the place to start with BFG. How much difference was there between the ships of each legion? I just can't see how there can be a whole lot of variety to choose from. As Imateria put it, "no Xenos, no interest".

Most BFG players collected Imperial or Chaos fleets anyway, so that won't be THAT different...

So how's the Horus Heresy setting supposed to work? Isn't the Chaos ship design from BFG supposed to reflect what Imperial ships looked like at the time of the Heresy? Which suggests that at the time of the Heresy, all Imperial ships looked like the Chaos ships.

BFG set in 30k would have to involve two factions with nearly identical ships.

Napoleonic, ECW and ACW gamers have managed fine for decades, and Horus Heresy 28mm gamers don't seem to mind either. Your ships are bottle green, mine are blue, job's a good 'un.

I'd expect "hero" upgrade kits - like the Rhino door sets, for example - and specific models for named flagships to distinguish the miniatures. As for rules, I could see different Legions having different fleet lists of allowed ships and different upgrades for otherwise same hulls. And faction-wide rules; World Eaters are better at boarding actions, perhaps, while Thousand Sons get psychic effects and Ultramarines get bonuses to tactical actions.

 EnTyme wrote:
Really don't think the Horus Heresy is the place to start with BFG. How much difference was there between the ships of each legion? I just can't see how there can be a whole lot of variety to choose from. As Imateria put it, "no Xenos, no interest".

Both sides will use the same ships but there will be sub faction specials if they want to.

Also there should be Ad Mech ships

Eldar and Ork ships if they want to do them - likely expansion for the Xenos.

Plus Corrupted ships should be available at some point.

Looking forward to Angrons flagship

 Zingraff wrote:
So how's the Horus Heresy setting supposed to work? Isn't the Chaos ship design from BFG supposed to reflect what Imperial ships looked like at the time of the Heresy? Which suggests that at the time of the Heresy, all Imperial ships looked like the Chaos ships.

BFG set in 30k would have to involve two factions with nearly identical ships.

That seems to be the point. A boxed game based on a single sprue.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Zingraff wrote:
So how's the Horus Heresy setting supposed to work? Isn't the Chaos ship design from BFG supposed to reflect what Imperial ships looked like at the time of the Heresy? Which suggests that at the time of the Heresy, all Imperial ships looked like the Chaos ships.

BFG set in 30k would have to involve two factions with nearly identical ships.

That seems to be the point. A boxed game based on a single sprue.

Yeah it's a lower risk for GW, half as many sprues needed and it's Space Marines.

I'd be afraid of lots of persnickety Chapter/Legion rules.

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But who'm I kidding, I just like painting tiny little rocket ships and going pew-pew.

You all have good points, however part of the appeal of most non-historical miniature games is the marked diversity between the factions, with the various armies designed specifically to contrast one another.

I'm old enough to have collected and played BFG, and while Imperial and Chaos ships were largely similar, they were different enough to require different play styles.

 Zingraff wrote:
You all have good points, however part of the appeal of most non-historical miniature games is the marked diversity between the factions, with the various armies designed specifically to contrast one another.

I'm old enough to have collected and played BFG, and while Imperial and Chaos ships were largely similar, they were different enough to require different play styles.

Rules wise different legion rules could easily require different playing styles even though one is red and one is white.

As it is napoleonic armies look very similar if painted in same colour scheme but depending on country still play with different playstyle and don't think they are bristling with unique units...

At the end of the day I couldn't care less how different you made your different coloured space marine fleets play, I want to play as Necrons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau and Tyranids, and I can't.

It's a really dumb move to set it in the Heresy as it badly limits the scope for expansion should it prove successful.

 Imateria wrote:
At the end of the day I couldn't care less how different you made your different coloured space marine fleets play, I want to play as Necrons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau and Tyranids, and I can't.

It's a really dumb move to set it in the Heresy as it badly limits the scope for expansion should it prove successful.

Well. They could start small or not at all. Pipe dreaming they would release all those right away.

If it succeeds they can release those later. Heresy now does not exclude necrons etc right away. Does make it more feasible to start to begin with. Would GW give greenlight if idea was right away full line with every race? That's a lot of cash to invest for unknown returns.

As it is they haven't limited themselves from anything.

 Imateria wrote:
At the end of the day I couldn't care less how different you made your different coloured space marine fleets play, I want to play as Necrons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau and Tyranids, and I can't.

It's a really dumb move to set it in the Heresy as it badly limits the scope for expansion should it prove successful.

Hopefully it's a trail balloon and will be followed by more, but with N17, Blood Bowl and Titanicus doing 'more' might be a real stretch. Even if the game is an enormous hit out of the gate it would take month/years to fit more on the schedule.

But hey, there's BFG X, Ebay, Shapeways and some other cool space miniatures out there.

Tyranids are an easy fleet to build, for one thing; just scroungs all the spare arms and weapons and bits that your friendly local 40k Tyranid player hasn't used, and glue 'em all together.

I once built a Space Marine Battle Barge out of some spare bits from a G1 Autobot Jazz toy, space marine backpacks for engines and shoulder pads to make the prow and spare Imperial cruiser weapon batteries, launch bays and lance bays for weapons, with a selection of odds and ends (some Epic mole mortars in there) for greeblies. Spaceships are easy to scratchbuild. Some of the Sector Mechanicum bits would be a good start for Ork hulks.

A friend of mine made an entire fleet for Full Thrust using plastic rawlplugs / drywall anchors.

 Zingraff wrote:
So how's the Horus Heresy setting supposed to work? Isn't the Chaos ship design from BFG supposed to reflect what Imperial ships looked like at the time of the Heresy? Which suggests that at the time of the Heresy, all Imperial ships looked like the Chaos ships.

BFG set in 30k would have to involve two factions with nearly identical ships.

Both the typical 40k Imperial ship design and the Chaos ship design were in use during the Heresy. The latter simply became the favoured design for the Imperium, but some examples of the former are still in Imperial use by the Gothic war. Chaos also has access to the "Imperial" type, but for gameplay purposes they tend not to to keep the factions more distinct.

A few specific ship classes did not exist, like the Iconoclast-class.

The main flavour between factions will come in the form of specific capital ships (like the Gloriana-class ships all being heavily personalised by the Legions that owned them) as well as perhaps certain upgrade parts for Legions with a specific flavour. The Iron Warriors, for example, regularly up-armoured their ships into real bruisers, and are generally considered to use the most proto-Battle barges. I would expect them to get slower-but-tougher ships than other Legions. They could have components to make a basic ship design look more heavily armoured. The White Scars did the opposite, so they could have components to make the ships look like they have more powerful engines etc.

Still, that would likely all be resin upgrades to a couple of core kits.

I agree with other posters- I reckon this will simply be a simple pilot for gauging interest with minimal investment, and xenos will surely follow if it is successful.

When will Xenos player learn that they are but a drop in the background and the real conflict is Imperium vs Chaos... (And I say this as a Tau player that has accepted his place in the setting a long time ago)

I am very excited about this game. I love the Horus Heresy, and I think it is a great place to start. The original BFG is something I'm very sad I missed out on, getting a new change now will be amazing!

I am hoping its good - then I can stat out my Babylon 5 ships for yet another system

I really hope they will release some legacy rules so that the old models can be used too.

At this point, my only "wish" if you like is that they don't change the scale of the models.

 Yodhrin wrote:
At this point, my only "wish" if you like is that they don't change the scale of the models.

Likewise. I never invested heavily into BFG, but I have 4 unbuilt plastic Imperial cruisers I would rather repurpose than sell if the scale changes.

'Scale' was never really a thing in BFG as the ship's actual position is represented by the tip of the flying base's stem. The models are just there to look pretty

 Imateria wrote:
At the end of the day I couldn't care less how different you made your different coloured space marine fleets play, I want to play as Necrons, Eldar, Dark Eldar, Tau and Tyranids, and I can't.

It's a really dumb move to set it in the Heresy as it badly limits the scope for expansion should it prove successful.

Lol, meanwhile HH is pretty much the reason FW exists. Yeah, awful idea for a setting.

And for reference, they could set it in the Heresy, then expand to the scouring with more chaos ships, and then to the second founding, with lots of smaller faster ships (Strike cruisers)