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Banville wrote:

 Valkyrie wrote:
Maybe it'd make it fairer to assume Vulkan isn't a Perpeptual for this one, although I'm surprised at how many votes he's got.

Then you'd have to assume that Magnus isn't a psyker and Alpharius is devoid of sneakiness. Being strong, resilient and tough and unkillable is sort of Vulkan's schtick.

You can be tough and resilient without being Perpetual. Vulkan was around before that dumbass thing was made.

Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Perturabo would build an unassailable tree house, and kill everyone else with pin point artillery strikes from a trebuchet he fashioned from the tree top. Then he'd complain and brood over not getting enough praise.

Engrenages wrote:
Someone kills Alpharius. They forget about him as he's supposed to be dead. Then Omegon steps out of the shadow to win the round.

Better yet: Alpahrius and Omegeron stand over Leman Russ's corpse. They stare into each other eyes and Alpharius open his hands, full of posionious berries. "Trust me. I know a way we can both win this..."

Meanwhile in the control room, the Emperor raises an eyebrow. "They know they are immune to poison, right?"

Lion El'Johnson began life dropped into the wilderness alone, fighting giant warp beasts. He would definitely have an environmental advantage to some of his other brothers.

But nobody likes Lion. He doesn't know how to make friends. Or at least keep from making enemies.

It may seem I'm just picking on him, but those skills would be seriously critical in this setup.

The Twins own this.

Magnus could literally blow up the entire island and kill or cripple all of his brothers fairly quickly.

The answer to "which Primarch would win X" is always the same: whomever has the strongest psychic powers.

BAN wrote:
Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat. Even if he was the Emperor's "pull them back in line guy" Russ is cited in two disciplinary deployments and failed both of them - the World Eaters still use the Butcher's Nails and Magnus never made it to Terra to stand trial before the Emperor, not only that the Thousand Sons still use The Warp like a toy.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BAN wrote:
Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat. Even if he was the Emperor's "pull them back in line guy" Russ is cited in two disciplinary deployments and failed both of them - the World Eaters still use the Butcher's Nails and Magnus never made it to Terra to stand trial before the Emperor, not only that the Thousand Sons still use The Warp like a toy.

The World Eater thing wasn't disciplinary in any way seeing as Russ did it himself. The point of that was to show that blindly fighting alone led to defeat which was shown by the fact that although Russ lost his soldiers could have slain Angron so that's a success.
As for Magnus he was beaten and only escaped because of Tzeentch. Another minute and there'd be no Magnus. The Wolves were sent to kill the Thousand Sons not apprehend them and the Thousand Sons no longer exist as a Legion. They were devastated at Prospero and the remnants were broken at the Battle of the Fang.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:


Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat.

Man it's so funny because it's true.

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BAN wrote:
Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat. Even if he was the Emperor's "pull them back in line guy" Russ is cited in two disciplinary deployments and failed both of them - the World Eaters still use the Butcher's Nails and Magnus never made it to Terra to stand trial before the Emperor, not only that the Thousand Sons still use The Warp like a toy.

The World Eater thing wasn't disciplinary in any way seeing as Russ did it himself. The point of that was to show that blindly fighting alone led to defeat which was shown by the fact that although Russ lost his soldiers could have slain Angron so that's a success.
As for Magnus he was beaten and only escaped because of Tzeentch. Another minute and there'd be no Magnus. The Wolves were sent to kill the Thousand Sons not apprehend them and the Thousand Sons no longer exist as a Legion. They were devastated at Prospero and the remnants were broken at the Battle of the Fang.

Night of the Wolf - Russ claimed the Emperor sent him, Angron claimed Russ was full of gak. Neither side's claim is actually resolved.

Russ' first order regarding Magnus was to bring him in, the next order en-route to Prospero was to kill him. Russ failed both.

Magnus was beaten by Russ in single combat but both Lion and Angron beat Russ.

For a legion that no longer exists the Thousand Sons did some pretty good damage to Fenris and for a Primarch that "The Executioner" was sent to terminate so did Magnus.

I am not a Space Wolves hater, they're my favourite chapter because they're epic failures - they failed in just about every pivotal moment they've been involved in and they poison themselves so they can get drunk and convince themselves that they're heroes.

So let's change this up somewhat.

Let's say the battle Arena is the clock style Arena from Hunger games Catching fire.

Who would have the upper hand in environment like that.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
So let's change this up somewhat.

Let's say the battle Arena is the clock style Arena from Hunger games Catching fire.

Who would have the upper hand in environment like that.

Sadly, Vulcan again.

"We filled the entire quarter with Lava!"

"What's the tribute doing?"

"Swimming in it I belive"

The fundemental problem is Vulcan. It's like asking which primarch would win a costume contest. You have to remove the one instant winner to have a real debate.

Vulkan is not a problem as immunity to death is not immunity to being moved.

As far as I'm aware Vullan can noy teleport or fly.

So when Magnus telekinetically tosses him into the planet's orbit he'll no longer be a contestant- alive or dead.

 SeanDavid1991 wrote:
So let's change this up somewhat.

Let's say the battle Arena is the clock style Arena from Hunger games Catching fire.

Who would have the upper hand in environment like that.

Mortarion would wander in that poisoned gas and feel like home.

Yup if everything is in such as Magnus powers and Vulcan perpetual I reassert that Curze will win since his vision of how he dies remains true. He won't die any other way. No idea how he pulls it off but he'll pull it off nonetheless (unless E-money interrupts the contest and sends in an assassin to take out Curze). As much as Sanguinious is a top contender he will still die by Horus.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Vulkan is not a problem as immunity to death is not immunity to being moved.

As far as I'm aware Vullan can noy teleport or fly.

So when Magnus telekinetically tosses him into the planet's orbit he'll no longer be a contestant- alive or dead.

If I remember correctly when Vulcan dies he can randomly re-appear in random places. Because didn't he die on Istavaan but then magically reappear in orbit around Ultramar before plummeting down and making a crater on Ultramar? Also Magnus will need to throw him *out* or orbit otherwise he'll come crashing back down eventually.

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Dakka Wolf wrote:

BAN wrote:
Wasn't Russ designed to be the emperors excecutioner... so my money is on Russ. They were all designed with a particular area of expertise to mind and the Russ was designed to take down naughty Primarchs.

Problem is for an executioner Russ has a grand total of zero confirmed Primarch kills and two confirmed losses to other Primarchs in single combat. Even if he was the Emperor's "pull them back in line guy" Russ is cited in two disciplinary deployments and failed both of them - the World Eaters still use the Butcher's Nails and Magnus never made it to Terra to stand trial before the Emperor, not only that the Thousand Sons still use The Warp like a toy.

The World Eater thing wasn't disciplinary in any way seeing as Russ did it himself. The point of that was to show that blindly fighting alone led to defeat which was shown by the fact that although Russ lost his soldiers could have slain Angron so that's a success.
As for Magnus he was beaten and only escaped because of Tzeentch. Another minute and there'd be no Magnus. The Wolves were sent to kill the Thousand Sons not apprehend them and the Thousand Sons no longer exist as a Legion. They were devastated at Prospero and the remnants were broken at the Battle of the Fang.

Night of the Wolf - Russ claimed the Emperor sent him, Angron claimed Russ was full of gak. Neither side's claim is actually resolved.

Russ' first order regarding Magnus was to bring him in, the next order en-route to Prospero was to kill him. Russ failed both.

Magnus was beaten by Russ in single combat but both Lion and Angron beat Russ.

For a legion that no longer exists the Thousand Sons did some pretty good damage to Fenris and for a Primarch that "The Executioner" was sent to terminate so did Magnus.

I am not a Space Wolves hater, they're my favourite chapter because they're epic failures - they failed in just about every pivotal moment they've been involved in and they poison themselves so they can get drunk and convince themselves that they're heroes.

That is not at all what they do.

It was hardly the Thousand Sons doing damage to Fenris. It was the Changeling, hordes of Tzeentch worshippers and daemons, Nurgle armies, the Alpha Legion, the Imperial fleet of multiple Chapters and the Thousand Sons.

Losing once isn't also a guarantee that you'll lose every time. Sanguinius got his ass handed to him by Ka'Bandha but beat him later on.


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 vonjankmon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Vulkan is not a problem as immunity to death is not immunity to being moved.

As far as I'm aware Vullan can noy teleport or fly.

So when Magnus telekinetically tosses him into the planet's orbit he'll no longer be a contestant- alive or dead.

If I remember correctly when Vulcan dies he can randomly re-appear in random places. Because didn't he die on Istavaan but then magically reappear in orbit around Ultramar before plummeting down and making a crater on Ultramar? Also Magnus will need to throw him *out* or orbit otherwise he'll come crashing back down eventually.

His hammer had a teleporter and after Istvaan he was captured and tortured by Curze until he teleported out to Ultramar. I think.

 vonjankmon wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
Vulkan is not a problem as immunity to death is not immunity to being moved.

As far as I'm aware Vullan can noy teleport or fly.

So when Magnus telekinetically tosses him into the planet's orbit he'll no longer be a contestant- alive or dead.

If I remember correctly when Vulcan dies he can randomly re-appear in random places. Because didn't he die on Istavaan but then magically reappear in orbit around Ultramar before plummeting down and making a crater on Ultramar? Also Magnus will need to throw him *out* or orbit otherwise he'll come crashing back down eventually.

Alpharius stares into Omegeron's eyes and then glances at the posioned berries again. There has to be a winner right? The emperor will have to concede.

He raises the berries to his lips, trembling with adreline and fear

WAIT

A shadow looms over the twins and for a brief moment, they believe the gambit is won.

Then Vulkan smashes into both of them at orbit entry speeds, creating a mile wide crater. The cameras slowly pan in on the burning debris and gore. From the center of the crater stands Vulkan, gyrating his crotch.


....If these keeps up I'm going to have to write the fan fiction this is becoming

Oh this is so entertaining, like Wolfman vs. Frankenstein exciting.

I remember when they brought back Bobby G and everyone went nuts and couldn't wait until the next Primarch was released, especially the Loyalist ones.

Then Space Marines became not as good and Custodes became super super sphace mareens and then interest is a lot less it seems.

I haven't heard of this "Horus Heresy", but I think it has to be Ferrus, because his flesh is so strong and he's unkillable... right guys! ...guys?

But yea, I think Magnus being a wizard, Vulkan being unkillable, and Curze being fated are the most interesting aspects of this fight. All the other primarchs have skills, but those three could win without fighting anyone else.

It'd be interesting to imagine HOW each primarch would approach this - and I love JamesY's idea of Perturabo's IRON CAGE V2: WOOD EDITION

I am going with Curze. A close second is Corvus Corax.

These two are the stealthiest Primarchs- Corax from the Emperor's gift, and Curze from a mix of psychic powers, his innate ability to see the future, and his time on Nostramo.

Even with their healing abilities, Primarchs get hurt, and fighting other Primarchs, there will be some damned nasty wounds. The ability to postpone fighting until the very end, and entering their fights undamaged against other Primarchs, is the big key to surviving. Having a conversation about who is the toughest or strongest is pretty meaningless. Corvus and Konrad don't need to be able to beat Sanguinius. They just need to be able to beat Sanguinius when he's already nearly dead from killing Horus.


Between the two, Konrad beats Corax. The rest of the gang doesn't matter, since they'll bleed each other out and get picked off in turn when they're weak.

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I am going with Curze. A close second is Corvus Corax.

These two are the stealthiest Primarchs- Corax from the Emperor's gift, and Curze from a mix of psychic powers, his innate ability to see the future, and his time on Nostramo.

Even with their healing abilities, Primarchs get hurt, and fighting other Primarchs, there will be some damned nasty wounds. The ability to postpone fighting until the very end, and entering their fights undamaged against other Primarchs, is the big key to surviving. Having a conversation about who is the toughest or strongest is pretty meaningless. Corvus and Konrad don't need to be able to beat Sanguinius. They just need to be able to beat Sanguinius when he's already nearly dead from killing Horus.


Between the two, Konrad beats Corax. The rest of the gang doesn't matter, since they'll bleed each other out and get picked off in turn when they're weak.

Then Vulkan just gets back up and kill Konrad.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:
I am going with Curze. A close second is Corvus Corax.

These two are the stealthiest Primarchs- Corax from the Emperor's gift, and Curze from a mix of psychic powers, his innate ability to see the future, and his time on Nostramo.

Even with their healing abilities, Primarchs get hurt, and fighting other Primarchs, there will be some damned nasty wounds. The ability to postpone fighting until the very end, and entering their fights undamaged against other Primarchs, is the big key to surviving. Having a conversation about who is the toughest or strongest is pretty meaningless. Corvus and Konrad don't need to be able to beat Sanguinius. They just need to be able to beat Sanguinius when he's already nearly dead from killing Horus.


Between the two, Konrad beats Corax. The rest of the gang doesn't matter, since they'll bleed each other out and get picked off in turn when they're weak.

Then Vulkan just gets back up and kill Konrad.

But Konrad would still have technically won as he was the last one alive for a bit. The whole Vulkan resurrects thing makes this kind of topic so boring.

pm713 wrote:
But Konrad would still have technically won as he was the last one alive for a bit. The whole Vulkan resurrects thing makes this kind of topic so boring.

Oh that's interesting, good point! The "winner" would be selected before Vulkan rises again, because I'm not sure how long it is implied it takes him before he rises again in Vulkan Lives.

Bharring wrote:
People know he's sneaky. They know he'll leap out of the shadows. People will gun for him.

His sneakiness is more "you don't see me". Alpharius's sneakiness is more "I'm not really your concern right now". Or so it seems. I think they'd play out differently.

TIL Corax is one and the same as John Cena.

Just for emphasis

IT IS CURRENTLY UNKNOWN IF VULKAN IS STILL A PERPETUAL.

He doesnt even know himself, after being stabbed with the fulgarite spear and then reborn in mount deathfire his ability may or may not be gone, since he would have to die to find out, we cannot know.

so any "deathmatch" must be based on the assumption that he is no longer a perpetual, since there is no evidence that he is currently.

Vulkan's perpetual status has been resolved.

Besides. OP states that this hypothetical scenario occurs pre-Heresy.