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So, in short, they were already tanking before their 10 outstanding kickstarters got hit by 145% tariffs.

Good luck, everybody.

As you say not great, but way better than it could have been especially the results being published and the stock re-listed

(although it will be telling if we see any of the directoral level owners trying to sell their holdings)

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
As you say not great, but way better than it could have been especially the results being published and the stock re-listed

(although it will be telling if we see any of the directoral level owners trying to sell their holdings)

It'll be fairly obvious if that happens as they have to publish monthly share movements

https://www1.hkexnews.hk/listedco/listconews/sehk/2025/0502/2025050201558.pdf

End of April saw 361m shares cancelled which was the deal that fell through other than that there has been no movements recently.

One of the non-exec directors stood down and was replaced but the reason is listed as other commitments and there is no dispute with CMON.

CMON, I can solve all of your problems.

Step 1, put the Dark Age rule book, supplements, and cards, all up for Priont on Demand.

Step 1.5, put the miniature files up on my mini factory, or even your own platform, for POD or print at home.

Step 2. PROFIT.

Dark Age was amazing and I never got to buy up all the stuff I needed before they killed it so unceremoniously.

Id jump on that, moreso for the minis than the game - Saint Luke would be fantsstic for Trench Crusade.

Now Wrath of Kings? Thats a game that was cut down too soon.

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:
CMON, I can solve all of your problems.

Step 1, put the Dark Age rule book, supplements, and cards, all up for Priont on Demand.

Step 1.5, put the miniature files up on my mini factory, or even your own platform, for POD or print at home.

Step 2. PROFIT.

Dark Age was amazing and I never got to buy up all the stuff I needed before they killed it so unceremoniously.

Were the minis digitially sculpted or hand sculpted? I didn't follow the game when it was around but, from just a quick search on the CMON site looking at the gallery, they have a hand sculpted look to them. If that was actually the case, it wouldn't be as simple as putting the files up on MMF.

As for the rules, that's definitely something that would require little to no effort on their part beyond the initial setup (of the account) and upload. Regardless though I think the results would be a pittance compared with the million dollar+ crowdfunding they're used to but it sounds like they could use any revenue stream they can get right now.

As much as I love Dark Age - and I love Dark Age! - I agree.

Getting everything back out there and available as POD stuff would be fantastic, but no where near enough to move the needle in terms of where CMON is now.

Many of the newer miniatures were 'digital', I think, but I'm not sure where the cutoff line is for that.

Selling off their existing and underutilized IP (Dark Age, Wrath of Kings, etc.) would certainly help - though I think CMON greatly overestimates what these properties are worth at this point.

 Alpharius wrote:
As much as I love Dark Age - and I love Dark Age! - I agree.

Getting everything back out there and available as POD stuff would be fantastic, but no where near enough to move the needle in terms of where CMON is now.

Many of the newer miniatures were 'digital', I think, but I'm not sure where the cutoff line is for that.

Selling off their existing and underutilized IP (Dark Age, Wrath of Kings, etc.) would certainly help - though I think CMON greatly overestimates what these properties are worth at this point.

Thanks for clarifying. It's not impossible and amateur digital recasters scan in physical minis for sale after some cleanup so obviously the actual rights holder can do so as well hopefully with less loss of detail though than the recasters get. If they're digitally sculpted then it's likely a few minutes worth of work to "fix" the models if they're not worried about selling presupported versions.

I think licensing off fallow properties is probably the better idea and more affordable to a plucky startup run by fans. I agree that CMON is one of the bigger dogs in the industry so might have unrealistic expectations on the value of their "remember when?" game lineup with a full on sale though.

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 Alpharius wrote:
As much as I love Dark Age - and I love Dark Age! - I agree.

Getting everything back out there and available as POD stuff would be fantastic, but no where near enough to move the needle in terms of where CMON is now.

Many of the newer miniatures were 'digital', I think, but I'm not sure where the cutoff line is for that.

Selling off their existing and underutilized IP (Dark Age, Wrath of Kings, etc.) would certainly help - though I think CMON greatly overestimates what these properties are worth at this point.

Yes the range refresh was almost certainly digital but not everything was redone so... ooof.

It's just a dream I have guys, I know it won't happen. The closest we'd get is me winning the Euro Millions and buying the IP

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:

It's just a dream I have guys, I know it won't happen. The closest we'd get is me winning the Euro Millions and buying the IP

That's a more viable business plan than some (non-CMON) gaming crowdfunders and one that I whole heartedly share. I'm planning on doing something similar when I win either the Powerball or Mega Millions over on this side of the Atlantic.

 Tabletop_Magpie wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
As much as I love Dark Age - and I love Dark Age! - I agree.

Getting everything back out there and available as POD stuff would be fantastic, but no where near enough to move the needle in terms of where CMON is now.

Many of the newer miniatures were 'digital', I think, but I'm not sure where the cutoff line is for that.

Selling off their existing and underutilized IP (Dark Age, Wrath of Kings, etc.) would certainly help - though I think CMON greatly overestimates what these properties are worth at this point.

Yes the range refresh was almost certainly digital but not everything was redone so... ooof.

It's just a dream I have guys, I know it won't happen. The closest we'd get is me winning the Euro Millions and buying the IP

I can support this and will add this on to my list of "Things I Really Do Hope Happen"!

CMON also just sent a reminder to make sure you've finalized your pledge manager for Massive Darkness 3 - it would be the very depths of depravity and probably legally criminal tomfoolery if they're doing this knowing they can't fulfill...

Anything informative on the tariffs?

If you're a USA backer, how much was shipping?

All I found on an update was this: "We are taking immediate actions to adjust, with alternative manufacturing options for current and future projects. Of course this will likely mean some delays, but it is the best path forward to serve our backers."

With MD3, I noticed fewer freebies, so mebbe that's how they'll absorb costs, including tariffs. Another GF by Wildspire Miniatures was more specific, so I'm ambivalent about CMON's offer. Might as well wait for retail and the reviews...

 ced1106 wrote:
Anything informative on the tariffs?

If you're a USA backer, how much was shipping?

All I found on an update was this: "We are taking immediate actions to adjust, with alternative manufacturing options for current and future projects. Of course this will likely mean some delays, but it is the best path forward to serve our backers."

With MD3, I noticed fewer freebies, so mebbe that's how they'll absorb costs, including tariffs. Another GF by Wildspire Miniatures was more specific, so I'm ambivalent about CMON's offer. Might as well wait for retail and the reviews...

I hope so?

I just checked and my shipping was $42.00 - but I think all of it is subject to 'something extra' if/when tariffs become a real, real thing and depending what's what when this project actually ships?

I can see an additional charge being levied by the USPS or some other shipper when it is time to deliver.

I'm still hopeful this will deliver - but as usual with CMON, it will probably be significantly delayed and late - which in the current environment just means additional uncertainty.

I mean, March 2026 is not that far away, but in many ways it is!

Just received my copy of White Death in the UK

Mine just arrived in Maryland, east coast US. No additional costs.

Flat earth theory confirmed albeit as a cube. Maryland is just barely on the other edge/side and gravity works differently there...

Miniature Market Sale : ASOIF 1/2 off :
https://www.miniaturemarket.com/game-on-weekend?sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc

 ced1106 wrote:
Miniature Market Sale : ASOIF 1/2 off :
https://www.miniaturemarket.com/game-on-weekend?sort=title+asc&sort=title%20asc

The really discounted ones are the ones that are present in the starter boxes. They usually see the massive discounts during all the sales.

CMON is putting this into their project updates now:

Marvel United: Witching Hour

Mass production is running just a little bit behind schedule, but it's still estimated to wrap up by the end of the month! Once that's done, we'll proceed with packing and shipping as quickly as possible, with an eye to ensure the USA shipment benefits from the 90-day reduced tariffs window. That said, we are still studying how to handle the ever-changing tariff situation. While the current tariff is 30%, that is likely not a cost we are able to just absorb. By the time delivery begins we will be able to determine what, if anything, will need to be done in order to get the product to all our backers. At that time we will make sure to communicate the specifics with you.

As we proceed with fulfillment of our campaigns, including this one, we appreciate your support and understanding more than ever. We remain committed to our backers and to delivering the high-quality experiences you’ve come to expect from CMON.

DC Super Heroes United

Heroes, unite!

Given the current pause on tariffs, we are studying how to handle them for projects which may start delivery within that 90-day period. While the current tariff is 30%, that is likely not a cost we are just able to absorb. By the time delivery begins we will be able to determine what, if anything, will need to be done in order to get the product to all our backers. At that time we will make sure to communicate the specifics with you.

As we proceed with fulfillment of our campaigns, including this one, we appreciate your support and understanding more than ever. We remain committed to our backers and to delivering the high-quality experiences you’ve come to expect from CMON.

Bottom line - we should be prepared to more for the stuff then we thought we'd have to...

@Theophony: Thanks! Was wondering about why some boxes were the discount they were.

Tariffs: Smaller companies (and retail in general) are swallowing the costs, while CMON has been the first creator to pass on costs to backers with little disregard for them (see Massive Darkness 2 and VAT, Bloodwhatever and shipping, which, iirc, happened *after* campaigns closed). CMON also should have evergreen retail product (eg. Marvel United, used to be Zombicide) to cover tariffs and other costs, though who knows what deal they have with SPIN, could be not particularly beneficial. MU, btw, is regularly on sale on Amazon and should be a popular IP, so it's not like CMON has something retail customer want. Sales doesn't always mean profit, but, if CMON's business can't cover additional costs despite having more sales than most other creators, yeah, I'm glad I'm less inclined in backing their projects than the S1 Zombicide days. We've had plenty of warning, so if someone says "I told you so", I'll say, "Yep, we knew something was going on."

I'm at the point where I'd be pleased as punch if it got to the stage where the stuff I ordered from CMON merely needed me to cover a small tariff bill to be delivered. That's a minor speed bump compared to never getting anything.

Not talking about tariffs, we should also consider the fact that Zombicide 2.0 has guest characters, Cthulhu has Godzilla, and there is Masters of the Universe. While released throughout the years, asking to use IPs alongside paying Disney for Marvel Zombies and possibly for United(if separate from Spinmasters) cannot be cheap.

Another thing to notice is that I did not mention Warner Discovery, which has Supernatural, Thundercats, SoIaF(not sure if they have to pay either them or Martin, considering Wizarding World is WB), Looney Tunes, and DC(Deceased and United, which may, or may not, be compatable with Marvel a la Heroclix).

https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/59662/tabletop-tycoon-acquires-five-board-games-cmon

So Tabletop Tycoon have picked up Blood Rage, Rising Sun, and ANKH: Gods of Egypt as well as the chibi games Arcadia Quest and Starcadia Quest

so hopefully we'll see some more reprints (or new editions, although all of them work well enough that it's probably not essential... although the new owners would no doubt be happy to sell them to folk who already own the games)

and CMON gets some cash to help finish off their outstanding projects

Cool! I hope they allow folks to buy some of those minis individually.

Good news. I'm surprised to see them sell Blood Rage, which seems to sell well at retail.

Blood Rage is such a good game. I'd love to see some more miniatures and a premium game board etc.

Blood Rage and Rising sun both sell well in retail still so that's a good buy for Tabletop Tycoon.

Interesting to see them going for the chibi games but I think those could do well again boxed in a more approachable way then how they did it via kickstarter.

CMON have posted on facebook that they've just sold some IPs to two interested parties

One will be Tabletop Tycoon and the 5 IPs they've taken on are mentioned on above, but i'll be interested to see who the other is (are they another totally separate entity or is there any connection to CMONs owner) what they've picked up (and what CMON is left with)

It's interesting that the 5 games sold are Eric Lang games or in the case of Arcadia Quest he co-wrote them. Looking at his CMON games The Others stands out as something they haven't done anything with for awhile.

Eric Lang hasn't done any game development since 2021 and doesn't appear to be connected to Tabletop Tycoon - may be it's just coincidence and they like his work.