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2018/05/27 16:12:03
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Are you actually saying that, conceived through the force and prophesied to be the chosen one, is better writing than, they’re just really good at the force? If you are, I’m going to have to totally disagree.
Then just go right ahead and totally disagree. I'm totally fine that you believe that the worst part of the Star Wars movies is almost as absurd as the second worst part of the Star Wars movies.
Lance845 wrote: I ever argued "They just have powurr" I argued that if the force can make a Jesus then the force can empower others to break the cycle the galaxy has been entrenched in. I also argued that natural aptitude is a part of being a person.
Argue the aptitude all you like. You do realize that people can have great power in fiction, right? But when 'great power' is used as a substitute for, well, everything that makes a character- it is bad writing.
Now what was this point you were trying to make about me disliking Rey, and what it tells? I'm dying to hear it.
Mob Rule is not a rule.
2018/05/27 16:15:45
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
MonkeyBallistic wrote: Are you actually saying that, conceived through the force and prophesied to be the chosen one, is better writing than, they’re just really good at the force? If you are, I’m going to have to totally disagree.
Then just go right ahead and totally disagree. I'm totally fine that you believe that the worst part of the Star Wars movies is almost as absurd as the second worst part of the Star Wars movies.
Lance845 wrote: I ever argued "They just have powurr" I argued that if the force can make a Jesus then the force can empower others to break the cycle the galaxy has been entrenched in. I also argued that natural aptitude is a part of being a person.
Argue the aptitude all you like. You do realize that people can have great power in fiction, right? But when 'great power' is used as a substitute for, well, everything that makes a character- it is bad writing.
Now what was this point you were trying to make about me disliking Rey, and what it tells? I'm dying to hear it.
I didn't have a point about you disliking Rey. I had a point about you going on tantrums and spewing hate.
You just ignore all the other bits of her character because your hung up on her power. It's fine. I get where your coming from. At this point I think we all have a pretty solid picture of why you specifically feel the way you feel. You don't like it and thats FINE.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2018/05/27 16:18:22
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
Lance845 wrote: I didn't have a point about you disliking Rey. I had a point about you going on tantrums and spewing hate.
At no point has there been a 'tantrum' from me (ironic, considering your posts). And what 'hate' have I spewed? You do realize that you can dislike a movie and it's not 'hate' in this horrible sense, right? It's a MOVIE. It's like hating brussel sprouts or thunderstorms- it's a thing. It's not a race, gender, or group of people, or an individual. Calm the Hell down, dude.
Lance845 wrote: You just ignore all the other bits of her character because your hung up on her power. It's fine. I get where your coming from. At this point I think we all have a pretty solid picture of why you specifically feel the way you feel. You don't like it and thats FINE.
She has other parts of her character? Two movies in, could've fooled me.
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Yes, Anakin's dumb fatherless conception by the Force is better than no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't mean Anakin's background is good. It just means that it exists, whereas Rey's doesn't.
I also can't fathom how introducing a major character only to just dismiss them is "refreshing." If it happened in a TV show, you'd wonder if the guy playing Snoke had been fired for sexual harassment so they had to write him out pronto.
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Lance845 wrote: I didn't have a point about you disliking Rey. I had a point about you going on tantrums and spewing hate.
At no point has there been a 'tantrum' from me (ironic, considering your posts). And what 'hate' have I spewed? You do realize that you can dislike a movie and it's not 'hate' in this horrible sense, right? It's a MOVIE. It's like hating brussel sprouts or thunderstorms- it's a thing. It's not a race, gender, or group of people, or an individual. Calm the Hell down, dude.
Oh I am very calm. I know you like to see me as some "SJW white knight protecting my precious Rey because she is a female and that means she must be a good character" despite me never having said any of those thing. As you said "We have done this before" and the last time you got put in a time out. So instead of trying to turn the discussion back into all of that why not just stick to talking about the character.
Lance845 wrote: You just ignore all the other bits of her character because your hung up on her power. It's fine. I get where your coming from. At this point I think we all have a pretty solid picture of why you specifically feel the way you feel. You don't like it and thats FINE.
She has other parts of her character? Two movies in, could've fooled me.
Thank you for proving my point.
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Manchu wrote: Yes, Anakin's dumb fatherless conception by the Force is better than no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't mean Anakin's background is good. It's just means that it exists, whereas Rey's doesn't.
I also can't fathom how introducing a major character only to just dismiss them is "refreshing." If it happened in a TV show, you'd wonder if the guy playing Snoke had been fire for sexual harassment so they had to write him out pronto.
It's refreshing because we are now some 16 hours deep in SW movies and all but 2 of them have been about one families blood line, destiny, and everyone being a call back and connected to everyone else. To FINALLY have it just be some people in the SW universe is very refreshing.
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2018/05/27 16:29:53
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
Lance845 wrote: Oh I am very calm. I know you like to see me as some "SJW white knight protecting my precious Rey because she is a female and that means she must be a good character" despite me never having said any of those thing. As you said "We have done this before" and the last time you got put in a time out. So instead of trying to turn the discussion back into all of that why not just stick to talking about the character.
Did I say this, or are you making things up again? Trust me, the little 'time-outs' don't particularly scare me, and if I really wanted you to know what I thought of you- not much would stop me from making sure you knew exactly what it was. It's Dakkadakka, not my bank account.
Again,you need to calm the hell down.
And if I'm not mistaken, it's against Forum rules to discuss any Moderator actions on the forum. So, we'll see how this goes...
Your point is "You ignore everything about her character". My point is, "there isn't much to speak of, because lazy writers thought 'great powurr' was a substitute for character development". Not much you've said or done has been proven.
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2018/05/27 16:39:01
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
Lance845 wrote: Oh I am very calm. I know you like to see me as some "SJW white knight protecting my precious Rey because she is a female and that means she must be a good character" despite me never having said any of those thing. As you said "We have done this before" and the last time you got put in a time out. So instead of trying to turn the discussion back into all of that why not just stick to talking about the character.
Did I say this, or are you making things up again? Trust me, the little 'time-outs' don't particularly scare me, and if I really wanted you to know what I thought of you- not much would stop me from making sure you knew exactly what it was. It's Dakkadakka, not my bank account.
Your point is "You ignore everything about her character". My point is, "there isn't much to speak of, because lazy writers thought 'great powurr' was a substitute for character development". Not much you've said or done has been proven.
Again, super calm. Always entertained.
A character looking for her parents, swept up on this new conflict, hopeful to get some answers disappointed by luke, pushed towards the dark, resists it, tries to redeem kylo.
All of those actions and events can be explained by "power"?
There are emotions and motivations at play there that say a lot about who she is which is what makes a character. She has fears. She has doubts. She has hopes. Sometimes those hopes get crushed. Often her hopes have been crushed. She hoped to find in Luke some positive answers and direction. She hoped Kylo would join her. She hoped where she came from would be big and meaningful and powerful and give her direction. And none of those hopes panned out particularly well. She's on her own path now.
Or apparently shes just "Power".
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
2018/05/27 16:41:21
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
Manchu wrote: I am not sure what a conclusion to this trilogy would be at this point, much less a satisfactory one. The job of the middle installment is to escalate the action and nail down the conflicts to be resolved in the final installment and TLJ flat out fails at that.
Asking for JJ Abrams to produce a satisfying ending is like asking for Cylons to actually have a plan. I mean the guy left so many mystery boxes in TFA which most writers would try to explain and then bounced on the next film. I mean the theme of Kylo's relationship with Han was kind of important but had to have known Ford was not likely to come back to do more. It was just the standard Abrams character with daddy issues that wasn't even going to get the heavy helping of flashbacks to try to justify even if he went on to TLJ.
So one thing to throw out there is that the relationship between Rei and Kylo isn't that of the plucky hero vs evil overlord. It is the new kid at school vs the duche bag with all the advantages. Kylo has all the advantages in the story but has never encountered any real challenges until he encounters some new person he classified as a nobody who turns out can actually challenge him. As he's challenged his world view of him being better than everyone begins to crumble allowing the hero to reverse his attacks. Vader is the remote daddy figure he's trying to desperately get the approval of and Snoke is the jackass coach trying to get him to kick ass.
2018/05/27 16:48:28
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
I disagree and I don't believe there's much that supports this.
Lance845 wrote: A character looking for her parents, swept up on this new conflict, hopeful to get some answers disappointed by luke, pushed towards the dark, resists it, tries to redeem kylo.
Yes, a character looking for her parents... that also happens to be the most powerful Jedi we've ever seen, can fly the Falcon, use firearms and lightsabers with no training whatsoever, never shows any Force abilities until it's time to throw Jedi Mind Tricks around... this is bad character writing by any stretch. If I wrote this on the internet, it'd be the subject of ridicule. If any other movie wrote this, it'd be a joke on par with the Twilight movies.
Lance845 wrote: All of those actions and events can be explained by "power"?
No, but you can smokescreen the hell out of a boring, lazy Mary Sue by throwing in whiz-bang powers to wow the audience. It's a lazy writing trick. Might work for a video game, but not so much for a movie.
Lance845 wrote: There are emotions and motivations at play there that say a lot about who she is which is what makes a character. She has fears. She has doubts. She has hopes. Sometimes those hopes get crushed. Often her hopes have been crushed. She hoped to find in Luke some positive answers and direction. She hoped Kylo would join her. She hoped where she came from would be big and meaningful and powerful and give her direction. And none of those hopes panned out particularly well. She's on her own path now.
Or apparently shes just "Power".
She's just a boring slate that's just 'power', literally every part of everything you just mentioned was so poorly executed and hamfisted it may as well not be there at all. And "she's on her own path now". Yeah, what I wouldn't give for an Order 66 to stop that garbage.
MonkeyBallistic wrote: How dare you hate Brussels sprouts! What kind of monster are you?!
Actually I like them quite a bit. Just an example.
The execution may very well be poor, or not, scene to scene, but poor, or not, its there. Again, you just ignore all the bits that make up her character to say she has none.
Which proves my point. So there really isn't much else to say on this with you. If you insist on hand waving away most of the scenes her character is a part of then what could you possibly have to say of any value about her?
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These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Lance845 wrote: If you insist on hand waving away most of the scenes her character is a part of then what could you possibly have to say of any value about her?
She's the least ugliest woman in the entire saga. That's about as nice as I can get.
Her 'scenes' were painful, at best we got some weird special effects in a 'scene' and half a scowl because she has about as many facial expressions as a potato.
Lance845 wrote: If you insist on hand waving away most of the scenes her character is a part of then what could you possibly have to say of any value about her?
She's the least ugliest woman in the entire saga. That's about as nice as I can get.
Her 'scenes' were painful, at best we got some weird special effects in a 'scene' and half a scowl because she has about as many facial expressions as a potato.
err for me Natalie Portman and Carrie Fisher in that outfit look much better
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What exactly happened to Ben Solo to create Kylo Ren is not important.
People keep complaining about Checkov's gun but Occam's razer is just as important. If Han solo isn't the protagonist of the story we do'nt need massively detailed explanation about his relationship with Kylo Ren beyond poisoned father-son. Rey being related to someone important from previous movies might be temporarily satisfying for fanboys but ultimately would have required some big leaps or really convoluted storytelling.
Rey's powers are I think near perfectly equal to Kylo Ren's during TLJ (and even arguably after the interrogation in TFA). As Snoke says: "Darkness rises and light to meet it." Or if Kylo ren gets stronger so does Rey.
Rey as a character is average at best.
The subversion of the last jedi is most obvious with Poe. He has a seemingly fairly traditional heroes journey along with Finn and rose(the less said about the casino , the better more on the rest later). Traditionally the narrative will prove him right over his antagonist (Holdo) however it doesn't. His plans fail and partially because of his failures the resistance loses a lot. The biggest lesson Poe has to learn is meaningless heroic sacrifice/ pyrhicc victories gain you nothing.
Finn and Rose could have worked but I think the movie would have been better cutting out the entire casino plot skipping straight to sneaking aboard the Supremacy.
Luke is an interesting choice. Once again he is no longer the hero of this story. In fact he is an obstacle for rey to overcome. Note Luke would never have actually killed Ben but he believed Luke would and thus did become Kylo ren. To Anyone who says Luke would never evne fall for that trap and ignite his lightsaber please do yourself a favour and rewatch the scene in RotJ where he cuts vader hand of.
The movie failed in China mostly because the franchise as a whole never really caught. They didn't have the prequels there originally. And if you don't know Luke the finale falls totally flat. TFA had novelty , Rogue one had kickass Chinese/Asian characters.
PS: there is a scientific reason most people dislike Brussels sprouts.
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Earth127 wrote: As Snoke says: "Darkness rises and light to meet it." Or if Kylo ren gets stronger so does Rey.
Ah, that classic line.
Hey, remember that bit in Rocky IV where we see Drago running on a track, hitting a speed ball and being pumped full of steroids to make him the ultimate boxing machine? How we all loved the associated scene where Rocky hops in a jacuzzi, smokes cigars and peruses Playboy, because we can trust that "Soviet boxing ability rises and US boxing ability to meet it".
What an excellent narrative device.
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2018/05/27 21:18:55
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
Lance845 wrote: I never said her power is what made her a good character. I said her power is what explains why she can do the things she does in the same way that Kylo could do things we have never seen anyone else do as well.
Sure, she can do things Luke can't do (other than generate facial expressions). For NO REASON. It's like suddenly, in the Lord of the Rings saga, a 14 year old super-wizard shows up and starts crushing mountains with a word and just hurls Sauron's Eye into the sun. It. Is. Bad. Writing.
Lance845 wrote: You are free to dislike the character. You are free to dislike the story. But if your reason for disliking both is that Rey does things that Luke couldn't when there are lines in the movie that flat out tell you she and Kylo are a tier above then thats just you ignoring an entire plot point for the character for the sake of your dislike. People have argued poor pacing. I can see it. I don't debate it. But Rey being capable? We have seen in stroy elements that support all the reasons she can do the things she does.
"They have great powurr" is not a 'plot'. Absolutely nothing supports what she does, she just -does it- and we're expected to nod and say, "okay". That's NOT a story, any more than a series of fart noises from a Porg explains Snoke.
So again, Batman is the most intelligent person on the planet despite others having modified intellects as meta humans or other such nonsense "For NO REASON". Why is that ok?
People having a natural talent is just a thing that exists in both the real world and fictional worlds. Both Kylo and Rey have more Raw power then anyone that has been seen to date. Is Kylo equally bad writing? I haven't seen you talk about him yet?
Rey was raised in a place where she needed to know how to fight to survive. Luke wasn't. Rey was technologically inclined because she needed those skills to survive as a scavenger. Rey built a flight simulator and trained on it.
Besides all this, we have seen that as much as the force is just a passive thing that exists as part of the fabric of the SW world it's also something that seems to have at least a sub conscious will. If we are REALLY going to believe that Anakin is a force jesus then the force can bring people about "For NO REASON" with extreme amounts of power to serve a purpose. Right now the galaxy has been trapped in an endless cycle of tipping back and forth between the light and the dark. Kylo and Rey could very well be the answer to cycle. To finally break it. We don't know yet. Their story isn't done. Would you have considered it better writing if somebody decided to do a 5 minute exposition on a prophecy or theory that implied that?
Kylo gets the bad guy bonus, all bad guys are more powerful than the good guys, that's what makes their ultimate defeat feel rewarding and it's the basis for all epics & sagas. There's no epic tales of a god smiting a worm. When the worm is stronger than gods just because, and for no stated reason, that makes the worm a marry sue, it's bad story telling and makes an unbelievable and unrelatable character.
Kylo has a backstory that explains his level of power, rey does not, even anikin needed training, he had a good 10 years in jedi school. At this point in the movies, kylo needs a training montage just to catch up to ray.
how does she know what modifications have been done and linage of the falcon, yet not know it's name? If you think batman is a sue because of his intelligence, then you must concede that rey is as well. she just builds a flight simulator and knows exactly where a component is and how to bypass it? That's not technically inclined, that's batman levels of smarts. And batman is not that smart, most of his toys are stolen R&D from his company with a bat symbol painted on it. He trained his whole life in combat styles, rey who spent most of her time scrapping wouldn't have had that time, nor training. good with tech, sure, good at everything? that's sue's territory.
we don't need a 5 minute exposition on the force, but all good stories have forshadowing of things to come, TLJ doesn't. after 2 movies we should be able to deduce some of the plot points in the 3rd movie, all good stories do this, TLJ doesn't.
My point is I don't think Batmans a sue. I don't think a Mary Sue in it's modern definition exists. If YOU think Rey is a Sue then you need to turn that on everyone else in fiction. Comic Batman is smart. Dark Knight movie Batman is an idiot who steals things from his companies R&D. I am talking comic batman who outsmarts comic lex lurther, gorllia grodd, an entire race of intersteller conquering aliens, the new gods, etc etc etc...
Based on TLJ I think it's likely that Rey and Kylos relationship comes to head. They go some place leaving the galactic battle crap alone and they foam a new Not Jedi/ Not Sith order thats about the balance instead of the light or the dark. I think it's pretty wel forshadowed in TLJ that the systems for raising force users we have seen and the galaxy has had for thousands and thousands of years don't work and these 2 don't believe in them because they are seeing their failings first hand.
like this definition:
"A Mary Sue is an idealized and seemingly perfect fictional character. Often, this character is recognized as an author insert or wish fulfillment. They can usually perform better at tasks than should be possible given the amount of training or experience. A male can also be referred to as a Marty Stu or Gary Stu, but Mary Sue is used more commonly. "
or this one:
"A Mary Sue is a character (male, female, or otherwise) who is given or is expected to be given unwarranted preferential treatment and unearned respect, thereby compromising the integrity and believability of the story and/or its characters."
Like when leia hugs rey after losing han having never met her, then giving her the keys to the falcon and sending her to fetch luke. She is the best force user in the galaxy, no training or experience necessary, so: rey, yes to both, batman, no to both. Having doubts doesn't negate that she's yet to fail at any task. All hero jurneys follow the same theme, the main hero fails alot, grows from it, to untilmately win over the bad guy. Ray has yet to fail, and has already beat the bad guy twice in combat and once with mind force powers. So Ray is a Sue, luke is not. Ray is also the first hero of a star wars trilogy to not lose a hand in the second movie, maybe they're saving that for the 3rd.
the only "foreshadowing" in TLJ is "It's not going to end they way you think it is" So are you still going to find Rey a refreshing character coming from unknown parents if you find out she's Kenobi's love grandchild? Or lukes love child? I can totally see ray being lukes kid who he hid away on a desert planet to hide her from the monster he unleashed on the galaxy.
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Ah yes, the “ignore my dead lover’s life long and grieving friend to go hug this stranger” issue...that detail pisses me off. I think Jay Jay actually acknowledged this obvious issue.
But in the interest of balance, didn’t they get over the destruction of Alderaan pretty quickly?
Which didn't happen. The ownership of the Falcon is not addressed on screen. For all we know Chewie is charging the Resistance UBER fees to drive everybody around.
2018/05/27 23:19:14
Subject: Re:Star Wars: The Last Jedi - Reconsidered?
Manchu wrote: Yes, Anakin's dumb fatherless conception by the Force is better than no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't mean Anakin's background is good. It's just means that it exists, whereas Rey's doesn't.
I also can't fathom how introducing a major character only to just dismiss them is "refreshing." If it happened in a TV show, you'd wonder if the guy playing Snoke had been fire for sexual harassment so they had to write him out pronto.
It's refreshing because we are now some 16 hours deep in SW movies and all but 2 of them have been about one families blood line, destiny, and everyone being a call back and connected to everyone else. To FINALLY have it just be some people in the SW universe is very refreshing.
But I didn't say Rey should have been [established character]'s relative. I just said she needs a backstory to explain her power.
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Crimson Devil wrote: Can it really be good vs evil if there isn't any good involved?
TLJ did not end with moral equivalency/ambivalency. There were clear good guys and clear bad guys. Benito was never a good guy or a "grey guy" - he was just a villain biding his time. (The opposite of ANH Han Solo.)
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Adeptus Doritos wrote: That 'massive power gap' is what bothers people. There's no explanation for it, and it's absurd. Suddently two nobodies with scant training show up and are 'Force Gods'? No, this is one more example of someone confusing 'awssum powurr' with 'good character'. It's Dragonball heroics.
To be fair, Ben Solo did train with Luke for an unknown period of time, and it's implied during the flashback when Rey touched Luke's lightsaber that she was there as well.
It's rather a pity that TLJ didn't follow up on that; it would have explained much. But Rian Johnson was soooooo caught up in subverting everything Star Wars he forgot to... you know... write a decent story.
Manchu wrote: A good metaphor for TLJ relative to the larger franchise is vandalism. As bad as the prequels were they did not express contempt for Star Wars.
Yes, this. It comes across as a spiteful attack on what Abrams started with TFA.
Earth127 wrote: The subversion of the last jedi is most obvious with Poe. He has a seemingly fairly traditional heroes journey along with Finn and rose(the less said about the casino , the better more on the rest later). Traditionally the narrative will prove him right over his antagonist (Holdo) however it doesn't. His plans fail and partially because of his failures the resistance loses a lot. The biggest lesson Poe has to learn is meaningless heroic sacrifice/ pyrhicc victories gain you nothing.
Except Poe wouldn't have acted the way he did... except Holdo was a jerk.
Imagine being in the military, surrounded on a hilltop by an overwhelming force marching ever-closer... and your commander takes Holdo's attitude. You're watching death coming for you step by step and your commander not only isn't doing anything to stop the enemy, not only isn't doing anything to get you and all your military buddies off the hilltop, she's acting like nothing of significance is even occurring!
You'd come up with a plan to get at least YOUR backside off the hill, and if you're a good soldier you're going to be looking to get ALL the soldiers off the hill. Poe's plan isn't a bad one - send a strike team off to confuse enemy command and control and we'll run off the hill while they're confused. Not his fault that Rose and Finn screwed it up because they parked illegally...
Holdo's plan, when finally revealed, is 'we'll dump all our weapons here, I'll stay here to distract them, you sneak down the hill at the last moment, and hope they don't see you.' And the end result is exactly what you'd expect from that plan: if it weren't for a last-minute deus ex machina via Rey, everyone DIES.
And if Poe is bad for meaningless sacrifices, Holdo is JUST as bad, as her sacrifice doesn't gain the Resistance one. single. thing.
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Future War Cultist wrote: Ah yes, the “ignore my dead lover’s life long and grieving friend to go hug this stranger” issue...that detail pisses me off. I think Jay Jay actually acknowledged this obvious issue.
But in the interest of balance, didn’t they get over the destruction of Alderaan pretty quickly?
"We have no time for our sorrows, General. The plans for the Death Star are in this R2 unit." Princess Leia Organa upon arrival at the Rebel base, A New Hope
They didn't get over Alderaan quickly. They postponed their grief to deal with a life-threatening situation bearing down on them.
And quite a few didn't get over Alderaan at all. The command staff that stayed behind at Hoth? All Alderaanians. Not one got away after Han dragged Leia out. According to the novel, none even tried. They continued coordinating the evacuation and maintaining the barrage with the ion cannon until they died.
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So you're upset Holdo didn't share her plans with a reckless pilot recently demoted by Holdo's superior officer? If it had been anyone other than Leia, Poe would've been in the brig or out the airlock.
Crimson Devil wrote: Which didn't happen. The ownership of the Falcon is not addressed on screen. For all we know Chewie is charging the Resistance UBER fees to drive everybody around.
You'd think chewie would just take the ship and go home. The resistance is dead, Han is dead, He can finally go home and spend his days with his family, now that he no longer has a life debt to repay.
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Crimson Devil wrote: So you're upset Holdo didn't share her plans with a reckless pilot recently demoted by Holdo's superior officer? If it had been anyone other than Leia, Poe would've been in the brig or out the airlock.
Leia would have shared the plan, she was good at briefing the troops. Holdo not telling the crew her plan makes her the worst admiral in history, and if she had lived, Leia would have shoved her out an airlock.
Holdo's failure can easily be seen by asking the question: If she doesn't trust Poe, why does she feel he's the best choice for leading the rebellion? Apparently you have to mutiny to earn her trust.
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