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When this thing takes off, I want Harry Partridge to do the Saturday Morning Cartoon Adaption...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOqHUa2LfNY

Honestly the whole thing sort of reminds me of those Happy Harry parodies, in that it adds a cartoony 1980s kids spin to serious and dark subject matters... Like 40K. When I first saw it I honestly thought it was a parody.

Harry Partridge would do a good job of it though!

I legit don't understand the amount of vitriol this is generating. I've not seen people sperg out over something so harmless in a while.

From what I can see the complaints mainly seem to be "MUH 40K IS A MATURE SETTING WITH MATURE THEMES" and "Kids don't like reading about kids". Well, the former is true but its a big galaxy and despite what the fluff presents there's plenty of people who live out their lives in relative peace. If there's room for giant space whales and ramshackle teleporter highways there's room for kids having adventures. With regards to the latter, this is true to an extent, especially with teenagers, but the book is aimed at pre-teens who look up to older kids before they do adults. Avatar: The Last Airbender wasn't a sucess because of the big 30 year old man following it had.

The other main complaint about the multiculturalism. When I was a nipper nearly every thing had a variety of races on whatever super team I was watching. Thundercats didn't but they weren't human I suppose (and the Thundercats reboot is what we should REALLY be angry about). It's not new for a corporate entity to include a variety of back grounds into their kids thing. It's like people have forgotten their own childhood so that they can be outraged, it's just that the world has moved on and the Power Rangers need to have an Indian kid in the roster alongside the black and Asian ones. For the record I'm not an SJW. I like my bikini armour and male space marines and combat heels. I can just recognise when a corporation does something that it's financially motivated to appeal to as many people as possible just like every kids show ever.

What I am angry about:
The Imperial Guard lad abandoned his Emperor-given duty to protect the Imperium and the AdMech kid is a heretek and will likely succumb to Chaos and infuse a daemon into that arm thing he's rigged up. These books are about cowards and heresy and I am going to write a strongly worded letter to someone.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

You: there are two extremes
Me: *something about the two extremes*
You: if you think there are two extremes here you must be an extremist

Then I think we have misunderstood one another, and if that's the case and you're agreeing with what I say- then so be it. (I'll write that off as being on my phone and maybe not paying too much attention to the name of who's responding, I remember avatars more often than names).

Fortunately, idiots are in the minority... but like any idiot, they tend to be loud.

I think the amount of innocence GW is showing with these is kind of sweet.

I give it a month before some mothers in the US are burning copies of it and screaming for it to be band.

It has happened to everything from D&D to Harry Potter and including some previous GW releases.

GW previously avoided a lot of issues by saying there stuff was not intended for kids wh8ch obvious won't work this time.

 Sim-Life wrote:
I legit don't understand the amount of vitriol this is generating. I've not seen people sperg out over something so harmless in a while.

A valid point: "I feel that directing this at extremely young children may have them wanting to get into the rest of the subject material, and many at such a young age aren't ready for the subject matter of the greater 40k Universe. It's difficult to tell a child that they can only have a small bite of the pie crust and not the rest."

A valid point: "I have kids and they show an interest in my hobby, but aren't ready for the heavy stuff. I can give them this."

Stupid point: "This is SJW B.S.!"

Stupid point: "This is a step in the right direction for GW to end the patriarchal edgy white male blah blah blah!"

Stupid point: "This is further proof that GW is going to ruin 40k!"

Joke point: "Hahaha, [insert commentary about what would actually happen to those kids]."

Joke point: "Well we all knew since Age of Sigmar that this was what GW thought of us!"

So, while there's a bit of solid points on both sides of the like/dislike debate and just a bit of ribbing- there's morons involved. And the morons are in the minority, but the way it works?

Moron A says stupid thing. Rational people ignore it and continue on. Moron B acts like Moron A's point of view is some massive epidemic and movement of morons. Then Moron B says something equally stupid, which Moron A believes is validation for his point. Meanwhile everyone else is ignoring it, while Morons are using each others' stupidity to 'prove' that there's a 'massive issue'.

In other words, it's fake news and nothingburger and the bottom of the barrel seems to be eating it up. Because bored, pathetic losers have nothing better to worry about.

Beyond a few frothing fundamentalists, I don't think anyone really cares about some frothing fundamentalists burning some books.

It'd probably make it more appealing to a 12 year old me.

SeanDrake wrote:
I give it a month before some mothers in the US are burning copies of it and screaming for it to be band.

I don't know if you've been tracking, my friend across the pond, but our religious fundies haven't had much power in the country for a long time. Technically if there's a book burning, we're more likely to see it in your country- sanctioned by the government.

Of course we do have our loonies that do that from time to time, we just make fun of them.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Then I think we have misunderstood one another, and if that's the case and you're agreeing with what I say- then so be it.

I am disagreeing with you I guess but not the way you think I do?
I said you complained about us talking about the tiny minority who complains about this book because they are far-right culture warrior but then you talked about the tiny minority who laud these books because they are left-wing culture warrior, so it's confusing if we are supposed to talk about the reaction for the different sides of culture warrior minorities or not.


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 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Technically if there's a book burning, we're more likely to see it in your country- sanctioned by the government.

Government-sanctioned book burning in the UK? What are you talking about?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I said you complained about us talking about the tiny minority who complains about this book because they are far-right culture warrior but then you talked about the tiny minority who laud these books because they are left-wing culture warrior, so it's confusing if we are supposed to talk about the reaction for the different sides of culture warrior minorities or not.

I talked about both of them, because both versions are idiots. I'm not going to defend either one of them, because neither of them deserve validation and both should be mocked into the darker corners of the internet where they belong. That way the sane, rational adults can enjoy the game regardless of their differences. Because really, some folks can't let a good thing exist without dragging their personal ideologies into it (mostly because ideological extremists can't get anyone else to listen to their nonsense).

So yes, there are two sides and both of them are stupid. I'll defend neither and mock both.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Government-sanctioned book burning in the UK? What are you talking about?

It's a joke referencing some of the silly laws about speech in the UK. Just a gag, nothing to take too seriously. Calm down, homie.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
I'm not going to defend either one of them, because neither of them deserve validation and both should be mocked into the darker corners of the internet where they belong.

Ok then I guess I misunderstood your " I see Dakka is playing 'Nazis in my cereal' again over one or two idiots on the internet." line as saying we shouldn't talk about them, when you meant we shouldn't overstate their numbers ?

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
It's a joke referencing some of the silly laws about speech in the UK. Just a gag, nothing to take too seriously. Calm down, homie.

Oh ok. Because the last book burning thing I remember was quite a long time ago and in the US. It was that guy Terry Jones I guess? That's what web searches tell me.
I'm fine with the UK laws and I'm fine with anyone burning any book they legally own, as long as it doesn't have some big cultural/historical significance. The book itself, not the text, I mean. I'd be pissed if someone burned some very rare first edition of a book or whatever. Sure, it would be their right to do so, but I'd be pissed still.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Government-sanctioned book burning in the UK? What are you talking about?

It's a joke referencing some of the silly laws about speech in the UK. Just a gag, nothing to take too seriously. Calm down, homie.

You say silly - we're not the ones burning books.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ok then I guess I misunderstood your " I see Dakka is playing 'Nazis in my cereal' again over one or two idiots on the internet." line as saying we shouldn't talk about them, when you meant we shouldn't overstate their numbers ?

We have a saying here every time someone wants to talk about 'Cash me Ousside' girl, Tekashi69, Lil Tay, or some other drama-farming attention-junkie: "Stop enabling stupid people." Idiots of any walk of life are fueled by attention, and this day and age I'm convinced that being rational and reasonable isn't what the worst elements of our culture want, because 'rational and reasonable' don't get clicks on Youtube and don't get Twitter followers.

So, are there 'alt-right' morons making this a big deal? Yep. Are there far-left morons doing the same? Yep. Are there people trying to turn something as simple as a childrens' book into a cultural battleground? Yep.

Starve the fire, don't throw any sticks on it. If anything, piss on it and laugh and walk away.

I think GW are being really clever here. The kids book market is huge. See 'David Walliams' for example.

If they can tap into another market and make more money, then more power to them.

The more money they put into this excellent hobby of ours the better it will become.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
You say silly - we're not the ones burning books.

I know you're not, lad. No one is. Not for a long time. I think the last time I saw someone talking about burning a book, it was some of the crazies (that both of our countries have).

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
We have a saying here every time someone wants to talk about 'Cash me Ousside' girl, Tekashi69, Lil Tay, or some other drama-farming attention-junkie: "Stop enabling stupid people."

Well it seems to be working super well because... I have absolutely no idea who these people are .

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Starve the fire, don't throw any sticks on it. If anything, piss on it and laugh and walk away.

Yeah I agree, most of my points here were pretty similar to the first "valid point" on the issue that you raised.
Well maybe not pissing on the fire. I mean, I'm not sure what it means exactly in the case of this analogy but it sounds like it could get messy .

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
I give it a month before some mothers in the US are burning copies of it and screaming for it to be band.

Of course we do have our loonies that do that from time to time, we just make fun of them.

Silly me I apologise I thought you made them president.

Not sure but you do know my flag is the UK so even the current wing nuts in charge don't burn books?

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/2/1/14474054/harry-potter-books-burning-jk-rowling-twitter

That should cover Potter and these books should trigger the same loons.

Coloured characters, Female lead characters, a non Christian religion, Deamons, Magic and the list goes on of what could cause offense.to certain people.

SeanDrake wrote:
Silly me I apologise I thought you made them president.

Oh, no. We elect jerks. But we've been around since 1775 and haven't had to dig steak knives out of bushes, try to ban porn, or put anyone in jail for a Nazi Pug, so at least we have that going for us. Sure, we've got a mass shooting every now and then, but we don't have the police departments on Twitter looking for trolls because we've got more important things to throw taxpayer dollars at.

SeanDrake wrote:
Not sure but you do know my flag is the UK so even the current wing nuts in charge don't burn books?

https://www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/2/1/14474054/harry-potter-books-burning-jk-rowling-twitter

That should cover Potter and these books should trigger the same loons.

Coloured characters, Female lead characters, a non Christian religion, Deamons, Magic and the list goes on of what could cause offense.to certain people.

Yeah, we have religious nuts. And they're an outlier that most of the country hates (even actual religious conservatives). But the UK and the US both have people that are offended for various things and want stuff 'banned' if it hurts their feelings.

SeanDrake wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

SeanDrake wrote:
I give it a month before some mothers in the US are burning copies of it and screaming for it to be band.

Of course we do have our loonies that do that from time to time, we just make fun of them.

Silly me I apologise I thought you made them president.

Not sure but you do know my flag is the UK so even the current wing nuts in charge don't burn books?

No, they just arrest people over tweets.
I can see this topic getting closed down. When the US vs Europe argument starts there's rarely any turning back.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

Yeah I agree, most of my points here were pretty similar to the first "valid point" on the issue that you raised.
Well maybe not pissing on the fire. I mean, I'm not sure what it means exactly in the case of this analogy but it sounds like it could get messy .

Peeing in a fire isn't messy unless you're standing too close to it. Don't do that, lad.

But it's sort of a metaphor for "don't dignify either of them, just disrespect and walk away."


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 Sim-Life wrote:
No, they just arrest people over tweets.
I can see this topic getting closed down. When the US vs Europe argument starts there's rarely any turning back.

Hey, they're upset over losing the colonies. We can be good sports and let them have a little jabbing back and forth. It's all in good fun and I like the lads from the UK.

It's those sneaky Canadians...

Did someone say Canadians? Why don’t we all have a molson and watch some hockey, eh? Those Golden Knights are doing real well for a new team, but I think those hosers back east will beat em!

I hear they are making a gritty noir Teletubbies show too.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
But it's sort of a metaphor for "don't dignify either of them, just disrespect and walk away."

Well then I guess it does apply, disrespecting them can turn messy if you don't manage to get away just after doing so .



Best country is Switzerland!!!

 Crazyterran wrote:
Did someone say Canadians? Why don’t we all have a molson and watch some hockey, eh? Those Golden Knights are doing real well for a new team, but I think those hosers back east will beat em!

Throw in a Poutine, and we'll do it at arms' distance.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Well then I guess it does apply, disrespecting them can turn messy if you don't manage to get away just after doing so .

Well, then pee harder.

I’m Canadian and never had Poutine. I had someone try to take away my id. :(

ritualnet wrote:
I think it's a great idea to introduce kids into this, as it can be a rewarding hobby.

I just wonder how a bunch of kids are going to hold back the might of a black crusade, a necron army, or ork spacehulk.

Or will they show their adventures fighting a single Grot, defeating it with the power of love and friendship and knowing they 'saved the day' while in the background the orks over-ran everwhere, killing everyone.

And what happens the day they run into a daemonette? Or flayed one? or any of the horrific things that 40k/fantasy can provide?

Why would that ever happen? An overwhelming majority of the Imperium have no idea those things exist, let alone having ever met one... it's like asking how you would ever survive on earth without getting hit by lightning. Not saying they won't be facing overwhelming odds and every mystical being the galaxy has to offer, but there's no need to explain why they don't encounter that thing or this thing.

"How this bunch of kids are gonna defeat the NECRONS WITHOUT WEAPONS?!"

*Sees a Primaris Intercessor firing at the Necron in the cover of the book*

Hmm... I think I have an idea on how...

 Mymearan wrote:

ritualnet wrote:
I think it's a great idea to introduce kids into this, as it can be a rewarding hobby.

I just wonder how a bunch of kids are going to hold back the might of a black crusade, a necron army, or ork spacehulk.

Or will they show their adventures fighting a single Grot, defeating it with the power of love and friendship and knowing they 'saved the day' while in the background the orks over-ran everwhere, killing everyone.

And what happens the day they run into a daemonette? Or flayed one? or any of the horrific things that 40k/fantasy can provide?

Why would that ever happen? An overwhelming majority of the Imperium have no idea those things exist, let alone having ever met one... it's like asking how you would ever survive on earth without getting hit by lightning. Not saying they won't be facing overwhelming odds and every mystical being the galaxy has to offer, but there's no need to explain why they don't encounter that thing or this thing.

This is one of my big problems with how 40k is presented in general. The armies you play aren't every day encounters. People falling to Chaos doesn't happen overnight. A vast, vast majority of the citizens of the Imperium will never see a space marine. Many probably aren't even sure they exist at all. The fluff as we see it is very narrowly focussed on epic conflicts over a very long period of time so it's easy to think of 40k ONLY being about horrific warp spawned monstrosities and souless high tech androids because the fluff never talks about Bumblefeth XXIV, the remote agriworld whose biggest conflict in living memory was that time the Nesbitt boys stole the Birken's agritractor and took it on a joyride through the synthcorn fields.

I'm sure, as they will tone down some of the grimderp exagerations of the universe and hyperbolic writting of fanfic level like the Necron unit descriptions and how they weapons work, to make it more palatable for younger audiences, this kid's book will be the most realistic representation of Warhammer 40k, ever.

These have potential for being good, it's not like YA fiction is without dark and edgy stuff.

Has anyone ever flipped through/read any of the 40k authors other works,?