Codex Imperial Knights - A Legacy of Honor

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**Dynas**

I got something close to that.

I came out to 12.8 for Raven WITH the shield breaker missile, but no melta, and cawls overcharge , for raven reroll 1.s I

I got 13.23 with Krast relic with shield breaker missile, overcharge plasma(no cawl).

My math may be wrong as I am using the dice hammer app.

I have 4.23 wounds for raven cawl
4.84 for volcan lance (unsure on how to input in dice hammer) for reroll 1s on shots
1.61 for seige breaker (again, unsure how to input reroll 1s)

EDIT:
My google fu was weak. I found a great site with the exact info I was looking for.

http://www.3plusplus.net/2019/02/krast-vs-raven/

**Klowny**

ive been toying with krast, ran it on the weekend.

(single warden in a 1250 game)

Even without the relic, rerolling to hit in combat really bumps up their effectiveness. I've been playing with house mortan so im used to most of my knights hitting on 2's, but this really helps even on the 3+ to hit, to a point im very happy with it.

Sure the casty is far and above better with raven (for now, im personally thinking they may nerf the raven strat even more rather than touch the casty, unless she gets a points bump).

Additionally, ive been playing around with a knight lancer alot, having a standard 2+/3++ even in combat makes it super tough to kill, which is nice considering you have to make it warlord to get buffed. its super fast and is hard for other knights to kill in combat.

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bullyboy wrote:
This has probably been discussed in the plethora of pages before this but wading through might take too long. I've played vs Knights a few times with my dirty Eldar and have generally come out on top. I see the usual Houses represented but I have yet to see anyone running Mortan. I know on paper it doesn't look overly solid, but that 1 CP strat to fire without any modifiers at all seems like gravy vs Aeldari. I'm thinking of adding one to my Imperial lists (plus 2 Armigers) and may try this option. Probably a Crusader with Thermal or RFBC and Endless Fury. Probably take some rockets too. The -1 to hit warlord trait for Mortan isn't tooo shabby either (although tough to take over Ion Bulwark)
If I'm running Deathwatch, I don't think it's the best choice as they can handle Eldar but it might be a good option for my Dark Angels, especially if I throw a Culexus or 2 in there too to help vs Doom.

What am I missing (apart from the inability to negate MW and fire on top profile)?

I've been running house mortan for some time, as I'm trying out all the houses.

I also nearly always run an icarus autocannon where i can, they are very handy at taking out eldar boats.

The house mortan strat is very good for them, i usually bait out the lightning reflexes on one gunboat with a helvrin, pop all the strats on the second helvrin into another target (reroll v's fly) and then pop the strat on the big knight and eat the flyer thats at -2 to hit.

**Drdotts**

I’ve been running house Taranis with 4 questoris knights and 2 battalions and I’ve been pretty happy with it

**Alex_85**

I am going to add in a near future a Knight to my Deatwatch and Loyal 32 ( with one Leman Russ tank Comander replacing one of the infantry Commander) army.

Should I go for a Valiant/Castellan or for a Crusader/Gallant instead?

**greyknight12**

Wait until after the Big FAQ

**Alex_85**

greyknight12 wrote:
Wait until after the Big FAQ

Oh yes, true. I will do that.

**Jackal444**

A certain well-known member of the hobby on a certain podcast mentioned a certain often-taken knight would be on the receiving end of some minor nerfs in Big FAQ 2. So, I strongly recommend no one get a Castellan right now.

**RogueApiary**

So, I might have impulse-bought a Valiant on eBay because it was going for a pretty good price. What are the current preferred loadouts in terms of WL trait/house/etc? Thinking one of the Imperialis houses so I can get Traitor's Pyre but Raven's advance and shoot means I can probably get some burninating on from turn one onward. There's also that Imperialis house with the +1 to wound 10 wound models strat, which combined with traitor's pyre could be really tasty vs Eldar (assuming they didn't already kill it with haywire).

**Horst**

RogueApiary wrote:
So, I might have impulse-bought a Valiant on eBay because it was going for a pretty good price. What are the current preferred loadouts in terms of WL trait/house/etc? Thinking one of the Imperialis houses so I can get Traitor's Pyre but Raven's advance and shoot means I can probably get some burninating on from turn one onward. There's also that Imperialis house with the +1 to wound 10 wound models strat, which combined with traitor's pyre could be really tasty vs Eldar (assuming they didn't already kill it with haywire).

hah! I've considered buying one of those myself. Personally I'd go Hawkshroud for a Valiant. For 2 CP you can fire overwatch against any enemy charging a friendly within 12" of your Valiant. 3D6 auto hits from a Traitors Pyre is not to be taken lightly, so it puts a massive bubble of "Don't mess with me" around your guys. You can also use it to project a 5++ invulnerable on friendlies around it, so it's really good at protecting your forces from ranged fire too. So Hawkshroud, with Ion Bulwark and Traitors Pyre is how I'd run it.

**Hesselhof**

Hello guys, maybe some of you have some advice for me with an Gallant Knight.

I would like to play him in a lance with 2 Helverins - House Krast.

But i really duno what trait and relic for him. My first thougt was Landstraider and the Paragon Gauntlet.
But if i dont got first turn, mhhhh just an 5++ against shooting (ok 4++ with rotate)

Rest of the army is a DW battalion with many storm bolter and shields and 10 termis with fist and a Admech 165 point battalion.

So he is my disreaction carnifex and tank/monster killer.

May you have some tipps how to equip =/

**Ice_can**

Gallants are great distractions, but you need either more knights to give your opponents bard choices or another way of taking down tanks as they can screen out a gallant for Turn 1 almost garanteed.

**Hesselhof**

Hm ok, i could post my list, but i gues its the wrong thread for it because most of the points are Deathwatch.

Normaly i would play an Krast Crusader with gatling an rapidfire cannon and headman + storm spear rocket pod, maybe i should go over my list again XD

**Jackal444**

Why not just a Krast Crusader with Headman's Mark + Ion Bulwark? 4++ to shooting, good vs heavier units and other Knights. You'd either end up losing the helverins or needing to drop like another 150 from Deathwatch (definitely keep the admech CP fund). But it'd probably do a lot more than 1 mono-gallant. Now if you had 3 gallants and a Lancer ....

**Hesselhof**

Thx for advice, ya i wrote a new list, again with a Krastsader^^ and the 2 Helverins. never change a winning team =P i rly dont have much experience with a Gallant thats why i use the Crusader again ^^

for the more points i kicked out the termis in DW, if ok i would post the list?
Just tell me if its the wrong thred for it^^

Spoiler:

This is what i want to use on a tournament on 27th april

**tneva82**

Jackal444 wrote:
A certain well-known member of the hobby on a certain podcast mentioned a certain often-taken knight would be on the receiving end of some minor nerfs in Big FAQ 2. So, I strongly recommend no one get a Castellan right now.

Well same rumours were in before CA2018 so...

But then again with FAQ coming up with bunch of market led changes likely now is not good idea to buy ANYTHING so no biggie.

**Ideasweasel**

Drdotts wrote:
I’ve been running house Taranis with 4 questoris knights and 2 battalions and I’ve been pretty happy with it

Mine are painted as such but I find the darkest hour strat always sees me rolling a 1,2,3 even with a reroll. Either that our it gets vect’d

What knights are you taking and what’s your general game plan?

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Jackal444 wrote:
A certain well-known member of the hobby on a certain podcast mentioned a certain often-taken knight would be on the receiving end of some minor nerfs in Big FAQ 2. So, I strongly recommend no one get a Castellan right now.

Mine has only been on the table for 2 months. I feel sad that it’s likely going to be pointed into oblivion. I hope they see sense and nerf the problem with the soup dynamic/house raven rather than the model

How many other Castellan house traits are winning tournaments, I really
Hope that’s taken into account when they factor in a potential nerf

Fingers crossed

**Hesselhof**

Normally i run one Krast Crusader with RFBC and Stormspear Rocket + Ion Bulwark and Headsman Mark in a super heavy auxillary.

Now i bought 2 Helverins to run them in a super heavy for the 3CP

**Robtype0**

I'm working on a 1000pt list for an event with some friends and will be bringing knights. They will struggle with the missions but I think it will be a fun change of pace from the rest of the field.

Here's what I have so far:

House Raven - 992 points

Crusader - Warlord (Ion Bulwark), Relic (Endless Fury), Ironstorm Missile Pod, Thermal Cannon.

Gallant - Exalted Court (Landstrider), Relic (Armour of the Sainted Ion).

Helverin

Only 4cp after the relic/WL trait, but I think this should be enough. I can use 3cp to charge first turn, after hopefully clearing the screens with the Crusader and Helverin.

What would you do at 1000pts?

**Alex_85**

I don´t know if a have to ask here or not. i want to ask about colour for Knight that allows you to choose between different Houses. How should I paint them?

**Ordana**

Alex_85 wrote:
I don´t know if a have to ask here or not. i want to ask about colour for Knight that allows you to choose between different Houses. How should I paint them?

Whatever you feel like.
To be extra safe simply use a scheme that is not listed in the codex as belonging to one of the houses.

**Horst**

Alex_85 wrote:
I don´t know if a have to ask here or not. i want to ask about colour for Knight that allows you to choose between different Houses. How should I paint them?

My Knights are all painted as House Terryn. I usually play them as Terryn, but I've fielded them with Krast rules before in tournaments. Nobody has had an issue with that. There's no rule anywhere, in any tournament or official rulebook, that states how you have to paint your Knights. As long as you're not doing something like, "This Terryn-looking Knight is using Krast rules, and this OTHER Terryn-looking Knight is using Raven rules", then you're fine. If you stick to the rules set of a single house, there shouldn't be a problem.

**Alex_85**

Then no issues if a paint them Gold/Silver/Black?

**Horst**

Alex_85 wrote:
Then no issues if a paint them Gold/Silver/Black?

Nope, do what you want!

Also... has anyone had any success playing a Knight/Guard list, with 2 Crusaders and a Gallant? I've seen the Castellan / Gallant / Crusader combo before, but if I do Crusader / Crusader / Gallant instead I can bring a Guard Brigade instead of Battalion, and I can use Krast (for Headsman's Mark and First Knight on one of the Crusaders) instead of Raven, making my Gallant significantly deadlier.

List I'm thinking of would be like:

85 pts in reserve for assassin

Guard Brigade, Cadian,

3x Company Commander
6x Infantry Squad
Astropath
Platoon Commander
Commissar
2x Scout Sentinels
Armored Sentinel
3x Mortar HWS

Krast Super Heavy Detachment

Crusader (Battle Cannon, Ironstorm Pod, Warlord, First Knight, Headsman's Mark)
Crusader (Ironstorm Pod, Ion Bulwark, Endless Fury)
Gallant (Landstrider, Paragon Gauntlet or Sanctuary)

After spending 6 CP on relics and 1 CP on the assassin, I'd have 14 CP left, more than enough for a non-raven Knight list to power abilities well into the late game.

**Valkyrie**

So I'm thinking of getting a Cerastus Knight to add to my current force, but unsure of which one to go for.

My current Knight force:
- Castellan
- Valiant
- Gallant
- Errant
- Crusader
- 2x Helverins

I'm thinking of the Atrapos, but his weapon seems underwhelming as you're looking for that 6 on the black-hole-cannon. The Lancer is nice but offers nothing that a Gallant can't do, and the Acheron loses out to the Valiant a fair bit.

Any tips?

**Ice_can**

Valkyrie wrote:
So I'm thinking of getting a Cerastus Knight to add to my current force, but unsure of which one to go for.

My current Knight force:
- Castellan
- Valiant
- Gallant
- Errant
- Crusader
- 2x Helverins

I'm thinking of the Atrapos, but his weapon seems underwhelming as you're looking for that 6 on the black-hole-cannon. The Lancer is nice but offers nothing that a Gallant can't do, and the Acheron loses out to the Valiant a fair bit.

Any tips?

Really the Atrapos has potential, but it loses out hard to screening units, a Lancer is my personal next pick for my knight's because
1 it's a knight with a lance and shield, it is cool
2 It does a few things better than a gallant, being a bit faster invulnerable in CC, and a shooting attack.
3 I already have a Styrix

It's not better enough to justify the price difference but if you want a FW knight it's probably one of the more competitive choices.

**RogueApiary**

Anyone have success with double Valiant builds? Whole lotta burning moving up the table center and you can still fit in two battalions for a comfy 16 CP (pre inevitable nerf next week). Thinking Hawkshroud with traitors pyre and ion Bulwark on one and can't decide on the other

**tneva82**

What would be 3rd knight be?

**RogueApiary**

tneva82 wrote:
What would be 3rd knight be?

Probably a Helverin. Double BN + SHD is 16. If I had to pick a bigger Knight, probably a Gallant, though not sure I can still fit in the double BN at that point.

**Ideasweasel**

You can squeeze that in. Another house to consider is Terryn. Fight twice turn Gallant can take the heat off your Valiants as it can’t be ignored. The Landstrider and increased to Advance/Charge rolls from Terryn means your all moving up the board and into range quicker

Give it a play and see how you do

**ListenToMeWarriors**

Annoying for all those Knight players with Castellan's having to redo their army lists because of the +100 Pts increase from the big FAQ. I can understand the invulnerable save maxing out at 4+ though.

What is everyone's thoughts?