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 d-usa wrote:
That's not gonna end up in court, what with all the bargaining agreements the various agencies signed guaranteeing space on the properties.

It's already in court. But atm they're enforcing it, and seizing Union property that they couldn't get out the door fast enough.

Other than the crackdown of "official union time", I have not heard anything about kicking unions out of building and stealing their stuff.

I would guess that it would at least make a mention on CNN.

 d-usa wrote:
Other than the crackdown of "official union time", I have not heard anything about kicking unions out of building and stealing their stuff.

I would guess that it would at least make a mention on CNN.

Well, today I ended up with a whole bag of AFGE swag as they dumped out cabinets and lockers at my workplace.

In the fine print of the EO that cracks down on 'official union time' the fine print also kicks unions out of the building,

I wonder if there is an executive in your building that is trying to out-Trump Trump. Are they actually removing their official space, or are they "simply" removing stuff people wear/carry because someone is arguing that carrying your AFGE coffee mug = advertising the AFGE on official duty time?

There has been a ton of coverage about official union time, but zero coverage about unions getting kicked out of buildings. I have not heard anything about that happening in our building, nor in our sister facility or my old federal job prior to my current posting.

If this was a (non-isolated) thing, I would imagine there would be at least some coverage.




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So the only thing in the EO I could find is this:

(iii) No employee, when acting on behalf of a Federal labor organization, may be permitted the free or discounted use of government property or any other agency resources if such free or discounted use is not generally available for non-agency business by employees when acting on behalf of non-Federal organizations. Such property and resources include office or meeting space, reserved parking spaces, phones, computers, and computer systems.

I doubt that any agency is going to have the removal hold up in court, because every agency I have worked for has spaces that could be used by anyone.

 d-usa wrote:
I wonder if there is an executive in your building that is trying to out-Trump Trump. Are they actually removing their official space, or are they "simply" removing stuff people wear/carry because someone is arguing that carrying your AFGE coffee mug = advertising the AFGE on official duty time?

There has been a ton of coverage about official union time, but zero coverage about unions getting kicked out of buildings. I have not heard anything about that happening in our building, nor in our sister facility or my old federal job prior to my current posting.

If this was a (non-isolated) thing, I would imagine there would be at least some coverage.




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So the only thing in the EO I could find is this:

(iii) No employee, when acting on behalf of a Federal labor organization, may be permitted the free or discounted use of government property or any other agency resources if such free or discounted use is not generally available for non-agency business by employees when acting on behalf of non-Federal organizations. Such property and resources include office or meeting space, reserved parking spaces, phones, computers, and computer systems.

I doubt that any agency is going to have the removal hold up in court, because every agency I have worked for has spaces that could be used by anyone.

Well, it's happening at Wilkes barre too, and they have a lot more office there than the desk, two cabinets, and a locker that they had with us. And, I'm not overly surprised. Putting almost a thousand people in jail without trial (and some despite trial) has barely registered amid all the smoke and mirrors atm.

And the confirmation drama begins.

The Rigged Witch Hunt, originally headed by FBI lover boy Peter S (for one year) & now, 13 Angry Democrats, should look into the missing DNC Server, Crooked Hillary’s illegally deleted Emails, the Pakistani Fraudster, Uranium One, Podesta & so much more. It’s a Democrat Con Job!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) 7. juli 2018

Simply amazing how much nonsense President Trump can cram into a tweet.

Just about nothing in that tweet is correct. President Trump is the very embodiment of Fake News and dishonest politicians.

Brett Kavanaugh picked for Supreme Court by President Trump

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44775078

He wrote a Minnesota law review article in 2009 arguing that presidents should be shielded from criminal investigations and civil lawsuits while in office.

.. what are the odds eh ?

 reds8n wrote:
Brett Kavanaugh picked for Supreme Court by President Trump

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44775078

A symbolic pick at best. After all, according to Trump's party it is not right to confirm a justice in an election year, we need to let the voters have a say. Trump can now say that he has done his duty to name a pick, and then we can all set it aside and come back next year. We know the republican party certainly wouldn't be a bunch of hypocrites and promptly reverse their policy as soon as it benefits them to do so, as they are honest and of the highest moral character.

I was really hoping on Amy Coney Barrett, this is a touch disappointing.

 Just Tony wrote:
I was really hoping on Amy Coney Barrett, this is a touch disappointing.

I would not have minded seeing her there either. Kavanaugh is ok I guess.

Well, we predicted that Trump's visit to the UK and Europe would be a diplomatic minefield, and as sure as I have a hole in my rear, he's been true to form with his tweets.

He's told the Europeans to start spending more on defence or else. He thinks talking to Putin will be the easiet part, and now he's just upset the UK Prime Minister by talking about his good friend Boris Johnson, whilst completely ignoring her.

For American dakka members who don't know, Johnson resigned yesterday as Foreign Secretary, and had some bitter words to say in his resignation letter to the Prime Minister.

He described the PM's Brexit strategy as polishing gak and offering it to the British public as a good deal.


To be a fly on the wall when Trump and our PM meet...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


He described the PM's Brexit strategy as polishing gak and offering it to the British public as a good deal.

Hey, he isn't actually wrong with that

 Iron_Captain wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:


He described the PM's Brexit strategy as polishing gak and offering it to the British public as a good deal.

Hey, he isn't actually wrong with that

Given the shambles that is British politics, we're making Trump look like FDR in comparison...

No offence to Americans, but our 'house' is on fire, and now we have a guy turning up who wants to hold a rock concert and shout insults at our nearest neighbours. The same neighbours we're negotiating with about the fire...

Talk about bad timing...

And to make matters worse, he's spending most of his time up here in Scotland, and my tax money has to foot the bill for security

I yearn for the days of GW Bush...

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I yearn for the days of GW Bush...

LOL yeah I know what you mean. Well, remember how hated he was, and well, we all got through it. We'll get through this too.

So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

It's sending the exact message Trump wants to send, the same one he sent when he pardoned D'souza and Arpaio.

 KTG17 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I yearn for the days of GW Bush...

LOL yeah I know what you mean. Well, remember how hated he was, and well, we all got through it. We'll get through this too.

Bush knew how the government worked and wasn't surrounded by total idiots at every step though. Bush wasn't a total narrisicst who needed his ego stroked every few minutes. Bush didn't act like a dictator. At this point I would gladly trade trump for Nixon, because atleast he knew how the government worked and wasn't nearly as corrupt.

Trump said something about 'it's up to the people' whether May stays on as PM... Um, not really. Wish it was.

Another victory for angry white men with guns who hate the government.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

Unreal. I think the Hammonds are a couple of a-holes and deserve to be in prison for even longer than the 5 years they were given. Trump is obviously pandering here.

 KTG17 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I yearn for the days of GW Bush...

LOL yeah I know what you mean. Well, remember how hated he was, and well, we all got through it. We'll get through this too.

I had plenty to say about GW Bush, didn't like him, and thought he was a terrible POTUS.

But I will say this for him: at least he tried to act Presidential and treated the job with some respect.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

It sends the message that you can break the law with impunity.

Feth me, if the chief defender of Federal Law doesn't give a damn about Federal Law, then why the hell would anybody else?


We all know this universal law: the authority of any government is ultimately dependent on armed men and women upholding that authority: police, army, navy etc etc


By allowing this challenge to authority to pass, Trump has pulled the rug from underneath his feet.


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 d-usa wrote:
Another victory for angry white men with guns who hate the government.

It will do nothing but embolden these people.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I had plenty to say about GW Bush, didn't like him, and thought he was a terrible POTUS.

But I will say this for him: at least he tried to act Presidential and treated the job with some respect.

I know a lot of folks who hated the Obama presidency, but feel the same way about how he acted presidential even though they disagreed with his decisions.

It sends the message that you can break the law with impunity.

Feth me, if the chief defender of Federal Law doesn't give a damn about Federal Law, then why the hell would anybody else?


We all know this universal law: the authority of any government is ultimately dependent on armed men and women upholding that authority: police, army, navy etc etc


By allowing this challenge to authority to pass, Trump has pulled the rug from underneath his feet.

It also provides a stark contrast to his "zero tolerance" approach towards crimes committed by other demographics.

 d-usa wrote:


It also provides a stark contrast to his "zero tolerance" approach towards crimes committed by other demographics.

Hey, he didn't say Mexico was sending its arsonists so there's no hypocrisy here! [/sarcasm]

 KTG17 wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

Unreal. I think the Hammonds are a couple of a-holes and deserve to be in prison for even longer than the 5 years they were given. Trump is obviously pandering here.

That statement is horse gak. They had nothing to do with the Bundy's and didn't want all that nonsense.


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 Wolfblade wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I yearn for the days of GW Bush...

LOL yeah I know what you mean. Well, remember how hated he was, and well, we all got through it. We'll get through this too.

Bush knew how the government worked and wasn't surrounded by total idiots at every step though. Bush wasn't a total narrisicst who needed his ego stroked every few minutes. Bush didn't act like a dictator. At this point I would gladly trade trump for Nixon, because atleast he knew how the government worked and wasn't nearly as corrupt.

I remember when Democrats were calling Bush a Nazi.

 Frazzled wrote:


That statement is horse gak. They had nothing to do with the Bundy's and didn't want all that nonsense.

Correct, they indeed distanced themselves from the Bundy vigilantism.

They were convicted of arson on federal land, nothing related to the Bundy thing until after the fact.

He's told the Europeans to start spending more on defence or else. He thinks talking to Putin will be the easiet part, and now he's just upset the UK Prime Minister by talking about his good friend Boris Johnson, whilst completely ignoring her.

I don't think anyone can argue with the first point - there is an agreement - most nations have not stuck to it for a long time and its getting worse not better.

Talking to people is fine

Teresa May has drove herself into her own swamp - He likely thinks BJ is the next PM.

 Frazzled wrote:


I remember when Democrats were calling Bush a Nazi.

Don’t forget about all the dire, hyperbolic stuff about Romney. And Obama would probably be looking good to some folks on the right had Bernie somehow gotten elected.

Things operate better when people act with some political perspective. Everything can’t be positioned as an apocalyptic twilight struggle between good and absolute evil. It’s not healthy for our nation. But it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

 Frazzled wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

Unreal. I think the Hammonds are a couple of a-holes and deserve to be in prison for even longer than the 5 years they were given. Trump is obviously pandering here.

That statement is horse gak. They had nothing to do with the Bundy's and didn't want all that nonsense.

 reds8n wrote:
Brett Kavanaugh picked for Supreme Court by President Trump

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44775078

He wrote a Minnesota law review article in 2009 arguing that presidents should be shielded from criminal investigations and civil lawsuits while in office.

.. what are the odds eh ?

Which the author needs to point out that Kavanaugh also stated that CONGRESS need to pass legislation to do that... and that the courts cannot make it up.


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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

Message sent to this guy in solitary confinement:



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 Frazzled wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
So, this just happened.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/396273-trump-pardons-oregon-ranchers-at-center-of-40-day-standoff

Ok, I get the argument being presented as justification, but what message is this going to send?

Unreal. I think the Hammonds are a couple of a-holes and deserve to be in prison for even longer than the 5 years they were given. Trump is obviously pandering here.

That statement is horse gak. They had nothing to do with the Bundy's and didn't want all that nonsense.


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 Wolfblade wrote:

 KTG17 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I yearn for the days of GW Bush...

LOL yeah I know what you mean. Well, remember how hated he was, and well, we all got through it. We'll get through this too.

Bush knew how the government worked and wasn't surrounded by total idiots at every step though. Bush wasn't a total narrisicst who needed his ego stroked every few minutes. Bush didn't act like a dictator. At this point I would gladly trade trump for Nixon, because atleast he knew how the government worked and wasn't nearly as corrupt.

I remember when Democrats were calling Bush a Nazi.

Aye... funny how those fondly those who looked back in those days when Bush never got a fething break.





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 gorgon wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:


I remember when Democrats were calling Bush a Nazi.

Don’t forget about all the dire, hyperbolic stuff about Romney. And Obama would probably be looking good to some folks on the right had Bernie somehow gotten elected.

Things operate better when people act with some political perspective. Everything can’t be positioned as an apocalyptic twilight struggle between good and absolute evil. It’s not healthy for our nation. But it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

Yup... the reaction of Trump's SCOTUS pick by Democrats and much of the mainstream media (but I repeat myself) is only galvanizing Trump supporters. There's some real derpage out there...