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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The University of California-Berkeley has 1,525 academic staff.

Your Professorwatch site has managed to find out a whole 0.13% of them as secret communist sympathisers.

One of them's crime:

Nancy Scheper Hughes
Dr. Nancy Hughes is a professor of anthropology at the University of California-Berkeley. In a post on her blog after the tragic massacre at a gay Orlando night club, Hughes blamed the National Rifle Association for the massacre. Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Hughes also blamed the shooting as well as the massacre in San Bernadino on “retrograde, orthodox conservatives who fear change, who lack self-discipline, courage, and who suffer, if it may be called that, a perversity of heart.”

Professorwatch's Mission
The mission of Professor Watchlist is to expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.

They're failing.

Those damn pinko commies! They are everywhere!

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 Formosa wrote:

Its fringe over here, its mainstream over in the US and yes the left does indeed control a majority of the MSM, thats a simple fact, and yes libby profs are infecting the children, they should be preparing them for further life and not teaching them to hate each other and themselves, its sad, a whole generation of children that will likely have real issues in further life so some prof can push their ideology on them, and whats this got to do with jews, why even bring them up, how odd, and yep I do think that a lot of these ideals are influenced heavily by marxism, I know it was pushed heavily when I was at university, I even bought into it for a long time.


{Citation needed}

Still waiting on those peer reviewed studies showing marxist indoctrination in universities.

I think it is perhaps more likely you did not understand the points your professors were making (it would explain why you thought that facebook page was evidence of anything) and have since fallen victim to alt-right propagandists and bought into their bs wholesale.


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 Formosa wrote:
You dont want to play that game dude, the left has wiped out a lot more people wholesale than the right, my real fear is this, if we keep allowing this censorship and shutting down of discourse, violent acts in the name of ideologies, we could end up repeating these mistakes



Speaking of violent behaviour and censorship, what are your thoughts on far-right thugs attacking a bookshop?

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 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Formosa wrote:

Its fringe over here, its mainstream over in the US and yes the left does indeed control a majority of the MSM, thats a simple fact, and yes libby profs are infecting the children, they should be preparing them for further life and not teaching them to hate each other and themselves, its sad, a whole generation of children that will likely have real issues in further life so some prof can push their ideology on them, and whats this got to do with jews, why even bring them up, how odd, and yep I do think that a lot of these ideals are influenced heavily by marxism, I know it was pushed heavily when I was at university, I even bought into it for a long time.


{Citation needed}

Still waiting on those peer reviewed studies showing marxist indoctrination in universities.

I think it is perhaps more likely you did not understand the points your professors were making (it would explain why you thought that facebook page was evidence of anything) and have since fallen victim to alt-right propagandists and bought into their bs wholesale.


I'll bite on this part, Heterodox Academy has done some interesting work on political orientation in college https://heterodoxacademy.org/the-problem/.

Numerous sources listed on their page below:
https://heterodoxacademy.org/resources/library/#1517426935037-4e655b30-3cbd

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dyndraig wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:


The Democrats focused on non economic SJW causes and forgot the working class. If they refocus on that they will win.


Wont happen, would go against the interest of the people they actually listen to, their donors.


 Formosa wrote:


Its fringe over here, its mainstream over in the US and yes the left does indeed control a majority of the MSM, thats a simple fact, and yes libby profs are infecting the children, they should be preparing them for further life and not teaching them to hate each other and themselves, its sad, a whole generation of children that will likely have real issues in further life so some prof can push their ideology on them, and whats this got to do with jews, why even bring them up, how odd, and yep I do think that a lot of these ideals are influenced heavily by marxism, I know it was pushed heavily when I was at university, I even bought into it for a long time



Curious, where are the Marxist influences?


"SJW is the continuation of the Frankfurt school of social research. The purpose of the school was to find out how to weaken western culture enough to allow for Marxist ideology to take hold. The Marxists were confused why people didn't rise up during WW1, and so the Frankfurt school of social research was founded to find out why. It was learned that social cohesion and a national identity were stronger than the Marxists thought. They worked on cultural ways to bring about Marxism since it was also learned that capitalism was too successful for Marxism to take over for economic reasons. Political correctness is the predecessor the SJW movement and it was directly started by students of the Frankfurt school of social research. The whole point is to weaken western culture enough to allow for Marxism to take hold. The sad part is that SJWs don't realize they are a bunch of useful idiots to overly educated sociologists experimenting with social Marxism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw

https://rainbowalbrecht.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/cultural-marxism-and-the-social-justice-warrior-cult/

http://www.returnofkings.com/38656/modern-social-justice-warriors-use-the-same-subversion-strategies-as-the-ussr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSdB9Sr1BxQ

I can provide more examples if you like, some of these can be considered biased.
   
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What is wrong with marxism in universities by the way? Many methodologies developed by Marx have been used in science and social sciences for over a century, with great success. There is nothing inherently political in them, Marxist methodology is used by people across the political spectrum in disciplines ranging from archaeology to zoology. Marxist thought is so heavily ingrained, it forms the basis of so many theories, it forms part of the cultural bedrock of Western civilisation.

It is only Marx's political ideas and theories that are inherently leftist. And even then, for some to me unfathomable reason (ignorance?) people often confuse progressive social-liberalism for "Marxism", even though there is nothing inherently liberal or progressive (unless you are talking purely economical) to Marx's ideas and actual Marxists tend to really hate social-liberals (after all, the only people in the world that are worse than fascists are rival leftists with a different ideology ).

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Earth



Speaking of violent behaviour and censorship, what are your thoughts on far-right thugs attacking a bookshop?


The exact same treatment that the far left in the UK should receive, throw them in a cell if they break the law, nice and easy.
   
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 Formosa wrote:


Speaking of violent behaviour and censorship, what are your thoughts on far-right thugs attacking a bookshop?


The exact same treatment that the far left in the UK should receive, throw them in a cell if they break the law, nice and easy.

The far left in the UK isn't attacking book shops. This sounds like you are just trying to deflect attention away from the crimes and nastiness of the far-right.

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 Formosa wrote:


Speaking of violent behaviour and censorship, what are your thoughts on far-right thugs attacking a bookshop?


The exact same treatment that the far left in the UK should receive, throw them in a cell if they break the law, nice and easy.


What actually happened is that the nice lady shop assistant rang her handbell, announced it was closing time, and hustled the protestors out.

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 Frazzled wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Trump was elected because of 'white genocide' identity politics duribg/after Obama. Its the result of decades of media and Republican politician dog whistles that finally got hijacked by someone who actually seems to believe in this gak instead of people employing it as a cynical tool for votes/views. What is the point of LordofHats coming back to argue with you when you're deadset on considering it all a left wing MSM conspiracy anyway? Is everyone equal, have we reached colourblind/genderblind utopia already according to all of your experts?


No.

He was elected because:
1. The middle class and flyover country never recovered from the 2008 recession and decades of jobs disappearing. This group has been voting for outsiders for sometime, including Obama.

2. Yes tribal politics

3. Hillary Clinton

The Democrats focused on non economic SJW causes and forgot the working class. If they refocus on that they will win.

This... especially the last statement.

You only have to look Conner Lamb as a model of how Democrats can win back "Trump counties".

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Spoiler:
 Formosa wrote:



"SJW is the continuation of the Frankfurt school of social research. The purpose of the school was to find out how to weaken western culture enough to allow for Marxist ideology to take hold. The Marxists were confused why people didn't rise up during WW1, and so the Frankfurt school of social research was founded to find out why. It was learned that social cohesion and a national identity were stronger than the Marxists thought. They worked on cultural ways to bring about Marxism since it was also learned that capitalism was too successful for Marxism to take over for economic reasons. Political correctness is the predecessor the SJW movement and it was directly started by students of the Frankfurt school of social research. The whole point is to weaken western culture enough to allow for Marxism to take hold. The sad part is that SJWs don't realize they are a bunch of useful idiots to overly educated sociologists experimenting with social Marxism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw

https://rainbowalbrecht.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/cultural-marxism-and-the-social-justice-warrior-cult/

http://www.returnofkings.com/38656/modern-social-justice-warriors-use-the-same-subversion-strategies-as-the-ussr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSdB9Sr1BxQ

I can provide more examples if you like, some of these can be considered biased.


Without noting the historical inaccuracies, this explanation really betrays a lack of knowledge of Marxism. One of the fundamentals of Marxism is materialism, which in short means that economics pushes culture and not the other way around, so going by your own explanation these frankfurt school people wouldn't be Marxist if they planned to change the economic structure through culture.

Also on the same wikipage...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory
   
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Earth

 Iron_Captain wrote:
 Formosa wrote:


Speaking of violent behaviour and censorship, what are your thoughts on far-right thugs attacking a bookshop?


The exact same treatment that the far left in the UK should receive, throw them in a cell if they break the law, nice and easy.

The far left in the UK isn't attacking book shops. This sounds like you are just trying to deflect attention away from the crimes and nastiness of the far-right.



No they are attacking people and trying the censor them, your hypocrisy is astounding.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/927661/antifa-violence-protestors-university-kings-college-london-sargon-of-akkad-news-latest

So I say again, if any side breaks the law, throw them in a cell, or are you really trying to claim if a far left winger (uk) does it its ok?


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dyndraig wrote:
Spoiler:
 Formosa wrote:



"SJW is the continuation of the Frankfurt school of social research. The purpose of the school was to find out how to weaken western culture enough to allow for Marxist ideology to take hold. The Marxists were confused why people didn't rise up during WW1, and so the Frankfurt school of social research was founded to find out why. It was learned that social cohesion and a national identity were stronger than the Marxists thought. They worked on cultural ways to bring about Marxism since it was also learned that capitalism was too successful for Marxism to take over for economic reasons. Political correctness is the predecessor the SJW movement and it was directly started by students of the Frankfurt school of social research. The whole point is to weaken western culture enough to allow for Marxism to take hold. The sad part is that SJWs don't realize they are a bunch of useful idiots to overly educated sociologists experimenting with social Marxism."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School

http://www.rooshv.com/what-is-a-social-justice-warrior-sjw

https://rainbowalbrecht.wordpress.com/2016/05/19/cultural-marxism-and-the-social-justice-warrior-cult/

http://www.returnofkings.com/38656/modern-social-justice-warriors-use-the-same-subversion-strategies-as-the-ussr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSdB9Sr1BxQ

I can provide more examples if you like, some of these can be considered biased.


Without noting the historical inaccuracies, this explanation really betrays a lack of knowledge of Marxism. One of the fundamentals of Marxism is materialism, which in short means that economics pushes culture and not the other way around, so going by your own explanation these frankfurt school people wouldn't be Marxist if they planned to change the economic structure through culture.

Also on the same wikipage...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory



"heavily influenced by"

Not

"a direct copy of"

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 Formosa wrote:


"heavily influenced by"

Not

"a direct copy of"


How can they be heavy influenced by it if their methods and ideas are fundamentally different? Thats like calling creationism "cultural Darwinism"
   
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 Frazzled wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Trump was elected because of 'white genocide' identity politics duribg/after Obama. Its the result of decades of media and Republican politician dog whistles that finally got hijacked by someone who actually seems to believe in this gak instead of people employing it as a cynical tool for votes/views. What is the point of LordofHats coming back to argue with you when you're deadset on considering it all a left wing MSM conspiracy anyway? Is everyone equal, have we reached colourblind/genderblind utopia already according to all of your experts?


No.

He was elected because:
1. The middle class and flyover country never recovered from the 2008 recession and decades of jobs disappearing. This group has been voting for outsiders for sometime, including Obama.

2. Yes tribal politics

3. Hillary Clinton

The Democrats focused on non economic SJW causes and forgot the working class. If they refocus on that they will win.


You say that, but here are Clinton's top 10 policies as derived from her campaign speeches by Politifact:

Clinton's Top 10 Policies (Politifact 22/07/2016)

1. "For families making less than $125,000 a year, we will eliminate tuition" for in-state students at public colleges.

2. "Pass comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship that keeps families together."

3. "Stand up to Republican-led attacks on this landmark (health care) law—and build on its success to bring the promise of affordable health care to more people and make a ‘public option’ possible."

4. "We will do everything we can to overturn Citizens United." (Campaign finance reform.)

5. "Fighting for equal pay."

6. "I will not raise middle-class taxes."

7. "Say no to attacks on working families and no to bad trade deals and unfair trade practices, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

8. "We’re going to increase the federal minimum wage."

9. "As president, Hillary will expand background checks to more gun sales."

10. "Clinton would increase federal infrastructure funding by $275 billion over a five-year period."

Seven of these are economic policies which would have benefitted people on average or low pay. It doesn't look like an SJW led platform with no thought for the working class.


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For comparison, here are Trump's Top 10 policies from the same source.

Trump's Top 10 Policies

1. ‘Build a wall’ — and make Mexico pay for it

2. Temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States

3. ‘Bring manufacturing (jobs) back’

4. Impose tariffs on goods made in China and Mexico

5. Renegotiate or withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement and Trans-Pacific Partnership

6. ‘Full repeal of Obamacare’ and replace it with a market-based alternative

7. Renegotiate the Iran deal

8. Leave Social Security as is

9. Cut taxes

10. ‘Bomb’ and/or ‘take the oil’ from ISIS

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Earth

dyndraig wrote:
 Formosa wrote:


"heavily influenced by"

Not

"a direct copy of"


How can they be heavy influenced by it if their methods and ideas are fundamentally different? Thats like calling creationism "cultural Darwinism"


Nope its not, when both ideologies use the same buzzwords and same tactics, you can clearly see that the influence is there

https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=shcABAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PP1&dq=Social+justice+influenced+by+marxism&ots=JRGFFccEax&sig=NFZJe0tmiV6zPtHlcpBttbaZ2qg#v=onepage&q=Social%20justice%20influenced%20by%20marxism&f=false

https://www.jstor.org/stable/2654138?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

I suggest this as a read to show just how much marxism has influenced the modern social justice movement.

Regarding the Roosh V, I am not familiar with him, whats the issue?

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 Formosa wrote:


Regarding the Roosh V, I am not familiar with him, whats the issue?



He's a self confessed rapist "pick up artist"

Let's look at some excerpts from his own books, spoilered for their disgusting nature:

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You really ought to check your sources before you drop them here.

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 Formosa wrote:
 A Town Called Malus wrote:
 Formosa wrote:


Regarding the Roosh V, I am not familiar with him, whats the issue?



He's a self confessed rapist "pick up artist"

You really ought to check your sources before you drop them here.


Whats wrong with being a pick up artist, isnt that edited ?


Even for Dakka OT this is low.

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I love how edited isn't considered to be a bad thing...

Edited by RiTides - Please avoid using this language, and hit the yellow triangle if you see it in the future.

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Bristol

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


Even for Dakka OT this is low.


Don't worry, I'm sure the bar will be dragged even further downwards. I'm surprised the Daily Stormer hasn't been cited yet.

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Man, you're gone for one hour from this trainwreck and back right on time to see they're now throwing puppies on the fire


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 Formosa wrote:

However you have proved the guy is a sleazeball, now tell me why this discredits him on other subjects, I can concede that given more information I dont like the guy either, but again, how does that affect what he has said on another subject.

The fact that he has zero background or authority in the subjects he's discussing beyond twisting it to fit his narrative? That butchering of the Frankfurt School doesn't come close to historical reality.

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Man, you're gone for one hour from this trainwreck and back right on time to see they're now throwing puppies on the fire


In the end, all you can do is report (maybe content that vile will finally get the mods to apply the banhammer, but I'm not holding my breath), and move on. Don't engage, don't quote, just let them declare victory and then get bored and move on.

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Locking until we can clean up the last few pages of this thread...


Okay, I've had to delete quite a few posts. For the future, please remember that Dakka Dakka aims for an approximate "PG-13" level of content, with some exceptions for wargaming-related items. Please do not post anything on the forum that is explicit and beyond this level (you can always PM a mod to check if you are unsure).

Finally, I would just like to ask everyone to step back and imagine you're discussing things with a friend in your living room. There was a lot of very strong insults traded on this page (most removed), and I'll be following up with several of you via PM about your posts here. We're all friends here, posting on a wargaming forum primarily about our hobby passions - let's ratchet the heat down a notch, everyone!

Thanks all...


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 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Trump was elected because of 'white genocide' identity politics duribg/after Obama. Its the result of decades of media and Republican politician dog whistles that finally got hijacked by someone who actually seems to believe in this gak instead of people employing it as a cynical tool for votes/views. What is the point of LordofHats coming back to argue with you when you're deadset on considering it all a left wing MSM conspiracy anyway? Is everyone equal, have we reached colourblind/genderblind utopia already according to all of your experts?


No.

He was elected because:
1. The middle class and flyover country never recovered from the 2008 recession and decades of jobs disappearing. This group has been voting for outsiders for sometime, including Obama.

2. Yes tribal politics

3. Hillary Clinton

The Democrats focused on non economic SJW causes and forgot the working class. If they refocus on that they will win.


You say that, but here are Clinton's top 10 policies as derived from her campaign speeches by Politifact:

Clinton's Top 10 Policies (Politifact 22/07/2016)

1. "For families making less than $125,000 a year, we will eliminate tuition" for in-state students at public colleges.

2. "Pass comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship that keeps families together."

3. "Stand up to Republican-led attacks on this landmark (health care) law—and build on its success to bring the promise of affordable health care to more people and make a ‘public option’ possible."

4. "We will do everything we can to overturn Citizens United." (Campaign finance reform.)

5. "Fighting for equal pay."

6. "I will not raise middle-class taxes."

7. "Say no to attacks on working families and no to bad trade deals and unfair trade practices, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

8. "We’re going to increase the federal minimum wage."

9. "As president, Hillary will expand background checks to more gun sales."

10. "Clinton would increase federal infrastructure funding by $275 billion over a five-year period."

Seven of these are economic policies which would have benefitted people on average or low pay. It doesn't look like an SJW led platform with no thought for the working class.


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For comparison, here are Trump's Top 10 policies from the same source.

Trump's Top 10 Policies

1. ‘Build a wall’ — and make Mexico pay for it

2. Temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States

3. ‘Bring manufacturing (jobs) back’

4. Impose tariffs on goods made in China and Mexico

5. Renegotiate or withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement and Trans-Pacific Partnership

6. ‘Full repeal of Obamacare’ and replace it with a market-based alternative

7. Renegotiate the Iran deal

8. Leave Social Security as is

9. Cut taxes

10. ‘Bomb’ and/or ‘take the oil’ from ISIS


1. Fair points. Reminder, I did not vote for Trump. I also thought she crushed him in the debates.
2. HRC advocateed free trade and Democratic calls for immigration reform are as believable as Republican ones.
3. The anti HRC vote was baked in the moment she was nominated. She is one of the most dislked political figures in the last 50 years.


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And speaking of crazy politics
https://www.ajc.com/news/local/georgia-dad-due-court-new-mexico-officials-try-boy-body/tkuab0XLsqToGu0Ws8i2YK/

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 Frazzled wrote:
Spoiler:
 Kilkrazy wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Trump was elected because of 'white genocide' identity politics duribg/after Obama. Its the result of decades of media and Republican politician dog whistles that finally got hijacked by someone who actually seems to believe in this gak instead of people employing it as a cynical tool for votes/views. What is the point of LordofHats coming back to argue with you when you're deadset on considering it all a left wing MSM conspiracy anyway? Is everyone equal, have we reached colourblind/genderblind utopia already according to all of your experts?


No.

He was elected because:
1. The middle class and flyover country never recovered from the 2008 recession and decades of jobs disappearing. This group has been voting for outsiders for sometime, including Obama.

2. Yes tribal politics

3. Hillary Clinton

The Democrats focused on non economic SJW causes and forgot the working class. If they refocus on that they will win.


You say that, but here are Clinton's top 10 policies as derived from her campaign speeches by Politifact:

Clinton's Top 10 Policies (Politifact 22/07/2016)

1. "For families making less than $125,000 a year, we will eliminate tuition" for in-state students at public colleges.

2. "Pass comprehensive immigration reform with a path to citizenship that keeps families together."

3. "Stand up to Republican-led attacks on this landmark (health care) law—and build on its success to bring the promise of affordable health care to more people and make a ‘public option’ possible."

4. "We will do everything we can to overturn Citizens United." (Campaign finance reform.)

5. "Fighting for equal pay."

6. "I will not raise middle-class taxes."

7. "Say no to attacks on working families and no to bad trade deals and unfair trade practices, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership."

8. "We’re going to increase the federal minimum wage."

9. "As president, Hillary will expand background checks to more gun sales."

10. "Clinton would increase federal infrastructure funding by $275 billion over a five-year period."

Seven of these are economic policies which would have benefitted people on average or low pay. It doesn't look like an SJW led platform with no thought for the working class.


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For comparison, here are Trump's Top 10 policies from the same source.

Trump's Top 10 Policies

1. ‘Build a wall’ — and make Mexico pay for it

2. Temporarily ban Muslims from entering the United States

3. ‘Bring manufacturing (jobs) back’

4. Impose tariffs on goods made in China and Mexico

5. Renegotiate or withdraw from the North American Free Trade Agreement and Trans-Pacific Partnership

6. ‘Full repeal of Obamacare’ and replace it with a market-based alternative

7. Renegotiate the Iran deal

8. Leave Social Security as is

9. Cut taxes

10. ‘Bomb’ and/or ‘take the oil’ from ISIS


1. Fair points. Reminder, I did not vote for Trump. I also thought she crushed him in the debates.
2. HRC advocateed free trade and Democratic calls for immigration reform are as believable as Republican ones.
3. The anti HRC vote was baked in the moment she was nominated. She is one of the most dislked political figures in the last 50 years.


I think one of the big highlights from KKs reply is also a big highlight on some voters' patterns as well. . . Notice that Clinton's plan is rather wordy compared to "build the wall" and I think that encapsulates the political divide very well. Policy discussion is absolutely done without soundbites and I think trying to reduce it down to such is negative for everyone, and we're seeing the fruits of that right now. And the thing is, Of that list on HRC's section (granted I'm not sure what was copy/pasted from her sources, and what was shortened by KK), none of those points are particularly wordy, they just are when compared to Trump's "plan".
   
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https://mic.com/articles/190658/today-in-trumps-america-gop-congressmans-indictment-gives-democrats-new-message-for-midterms#.BLS7T24yM

About last night: Rep. Devin Nunes admits to trying to protect Trump from legal jeopardy

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) was caught on tape at a July 30 fundraiser admitting that so-called “collusion” is a crime, and that he and Republican members of Congress are trying to protect Trump from legal jeopardy arising from special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

“If Sessions won’t un-recuse and Mueller won’t clear the president, we’re the only ones — which is really the danger. That’s why I keep, and thank you for saying it by the way, I mean, we have to keep all these seats,” Nunes is heard saying, referencing the 2018 midterm elections, in the audio obtained by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Show.

Nunes is later heard saying that it would in fact be a crime if the Trump campaign received stolen information from a foreign government and then released it to the public. Nunes used a hypothetical example of Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers — a Republican member of Congress from Washington state, where the fundraiser Nunes was speaking at was being held — receiving stolen emails from Portugal.

“But ultimately let’s say the Portuguese came and brought her some stolen emails. And she decided to release those. Okay, now we have a problem, right?” Nunes says on the audio. “Because somebody stole the emails, gave ‘em to Cathy, Cathy released ’em. Well, if that’s the case, then that’s criminal.”

Mueller has not released any evidence tying Trump campaign officials to the release of Democratic emails that were stolen by Russian hackers.

But Mueller’s probe continues. And Trump’s legal team continues to refuse to sit down with his investigators for an interview, objecting to subject matter questions on obstruction of justice, the New York Times reported on Wednesday.

The back and forth between Trump and Mueller’s teams regarding an interview has been going on for months, leading to questions about whether Mueller will ultimately subpoena Trump for an interview.

Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani admitted on Wednesday that president’s legal team is dragging out the investigation for political gain.

“When I first got involved, I would have told you not testifying would be the right legal strategy but then hurt politically,” Giuliani told CNN. “Now I’m thinking the continuance of the investigation would actually help because people are getting tired of it, and [the President] needs something to energize his voters because the Democrats look like they’re energized. Nothing would energize [Republicans] more than, ‘Let’s save the President.’ ”




The big thing currently i think people are missing is that the Republicans won not because of 'Hillary Clinton' or 2008 recession. But also by massive multimedia campaigns, news media, fake news, Russian campaign was to discredit Hillary Clinton, and she was clearly given false information about voter data about Wisconsin. (Also because of voter suppression https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/13/16296902/clinton-allegation-voter-suppression-wisconsin)

Hillary as much as some people would not like to admit it was extremely qualified for her position. While Trump rallied an extremely racist bunch and coordinated with russians (Which now has been confirmed) he even admitted it on twitter. (http://time.com/5358931/trump-tower-meeting-claims/) (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924)

He coordinated with russia to recieve damaging info on the democratic party which so happened to have been released by wikileaks, but no information whatsoever was released on donald trump. None. It was all damaging to the clinton campaign.

So we have three power players, russia, wikileaks, and cambridge analytica all used their proponents to both discredit the Clinton campaign and also wreck havoc on the bernie supporters but posing as bernie supporters in reddit threads and other popular media forms (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-election.html)

This also happened with the trump groups with spreading fake news and using mass conspiracy theories to discredit the Clinton party.

We all knew that Trump was the devil (in terms of politics) and destructive to the american way, global politics, foreign politics, global economies, Environmental protections, government agencies, our spy work across the seas (Where all of a sudden we lost American Spies in Russia after trump was inaugurated...

WE have a Republican house leader (Nunes) who is consistently protecting the president, and also preventing the investigation into the russian interference... Actively. While also assaulting and trying to actively discourage FBI agents and others from investigating the Interference which has happened. We knew this back in 2016 (https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/index.html)

2. HRC advocateed free trade and Democratic calls for immigration reform are as believable as Republican ones


Except the biggest problem is that the democrats probably wouldn't of thrown children into cages and seperated thousands of families with no way to unite the two.


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I think one of the big highlights from KKs reply is also a big highlight on some voters' patterns as well. . . Notice that Clinton's plan is rather wordy compared to "build the wall" and I think that encapsulates the political divide very well. Policy discussion is absolutely done without soundbites and I think trying to reduce it down to such is negative for everyone, and we're seeing the fruits of that right now. And the thing is, Of that list on HRC's section (granted I'm not sure what was copy/pasted from her sources, and what was shortened by KK), none of those points are particularly wordy, they just are when compared to Trump's "plan".


Which is why i think she needed a better marketing campaign one that is better focused on a single ideal. Like a "Better America"

She needed to focus her campaign much better.


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In horrible news :

https://www.thedailybeast.com/puerto-rican-government-quietly-admits-1427-died-in-hurricane

*sigh*

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Here's the problem with calling Trump supporters racists. Obama won in many of those districts too. Calling half the US electorate racist doesn't pass the lucidity test, especially in light of Democratic gains since.

Edit: the PR numbers jive with what people were saying onthe ground.

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Some were racist, some were just inured to the racism, some were just voting out of denial of reality, some out of loyalty, some to stick it to the left and some to deny it to Hillary. Not exactly glowing praise for his electorate.

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Some were racist, some were just inured to the racism, some were just voting out of denial of reality, some out of loyalty, some to stick it to the left and some to deny it to Hillary. Not exactly glowing praise for his electorate.


These are your statements, not facts. It is not supported by Dem victories since.

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https://mic.com/articles/190658/today-in-trumps-america-gop-congressmans-indictment-gives-democrats-new-message-for-midterms#.BLS7T24yM

About last night: Rep. Devin Nunes admits to trying to protect Trump from legal jeopardy

Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) was caught on tape at a July 30 fundraiser admitting that so-called “collusion” is a crime, and that he and Republican members of Congress are trying to protect Trump from legal jeopardy arising from special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe.

“If Sessions won’t un-recuse and Mueller won’t clear the president, we’re the only ones — which is really the danger. That’s why I keep, and thank you for saying it by the way, I mean, we have to keep all these seats,” Nunes is heard saying, referencing the 2018 midterm elections, in the audio obtained by MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow Show.

Nunes is later heard saying that it would in fact be a crime if the Trump campaign received stolen information from a foreign government and then released it to the public. Nunes used a hypothetical example of Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers — a Republican member of Congress from Washington state, where the fundraiser Nunes was speaking at was being held — receiving stolen emails from Portugal.

“But ultimately let’s say the Portuguese came and brought her some stolen emails. And she decided to release those. Okay, now we have a problem, right?” Nunes says on the audio. “Because somebody stole the emails, gave ‘em to Cathy, Cathy released ’em. Well, if that’s the case, then that’s criminal.”

Mueller has not released any evidence tying Trump campaign officials to the release of Democratic emails that were stolen by Russian hackers.

But Mueller’s probe continues. And Trump’s legal team continues to refuse to sit down with his investigators for an interview, objecting to subject matter questions on obstruction of justice, the New York Times reported on Wednesday.

The back and forth between Trump and Mueller’s teams regarding an interview has been going on for months, leading to questions about whether Mueller will ultimately subpoena Trump for an interview.

Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani admitted on Wednesday that president’s legal team is dragging out the investigation for political gain.

“When I first got involved, I would have told you not testifying would be the right legal strategy but then hurt politically,” Giuliani told CNN. “Now I’m thinking the continuance of the investigation would actually help because people are getting tired of it, and [the President] needs something to energize his voters because the Democrats look like they’re energized. Nothing would energize [Republicans] more than, ‘Let’s save the President.’ ”




The big thing currently i think people are missing is that the Republicans won not because of 'Hillary Clinton' or 2008 recession. But also by massive multimedia campaigns, news media, fake news, Russian campaign was to discredit Hillary Clinton, and she was clearly given false information about voter data about Wisconsin. (Also because of voter suppression https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/13/16296902/clinton-allegation-voter-suppression-wisconsin)

Hillary as much as some people would not like to admit it was extremely qualified for her position. While Trump rallied an extremely racist bunch and coordinated with russians (Which now has been confirmed) he even admitted it on twitter. (http://time.com/5358931/trump-tower-meeting-claims/) (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1026084333315153924)

He coordinated with russia to recieve damaging info on the democratic party which so happened to have been released by wikileaks, but no information whatsoever was released on donald trump. None. It was all damaging to the clinton campaign.

So we have three power players, russia, wikileaks, and cambridge analytica all used their proponents to both discredit the Clinton campaign and also wreck havoc on the bernie supporters but posing as bernie supporters in reddit threads and other popular media forms (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/07/us/politics/russia-facebook-twitter-election.html)

This also happened with the trump groups with spreading fake news and using mass conspiracy theories to discredit the Clinton party.

We all knew that Trump was the devil (in terms of politics) and destructive to the american way, global politics, foreign politics, global economies, Environmental protections, government agencies, our spy work across the seas (Where all of a sudden we lost American Spies in Russia after trump was inaugurated...

WE have a Republican house leader (Nunes) who is consistently protecting the president, and also preventing the investigation into the russian interference... Actively. While also assaulting and trying to actively discourage FBI agents and others from investigating the Interference which has happened. We knew this back in 2016 (https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/politics/russian-hack-donald-trump-2016-election/index.html)

2. HRC advocateed free trade and Democratic calls for immigration reform are as believable as Republican ones


Except the biggest problem is that the democrats probably wouldn't of thrown children into cages and seperated thousands of families with no way to unite the two.


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I think one of the big highlights from KKs reply is also a big highlight on some voters' patterns as well. . . Notice that Clinton's plan is rather wordy compared to "build the wall" and I think that encapsulates the political divide very well. Policy discussion is absolutely done without soundbites and I think trying to reduce it down to such is negative for everyone, and we're seeing the fruits of that right now. And the thing is, Of that list on HRC's section (granted I'm not sure what was copy/pasted from her sources, and what was shortened by KK), none of those points are particularly wordy, they just are when compared to Trump's "plan".


Which is why i think she needed a better marketing campaign one that is better focused on a single ideal. Like a "Better America"

She needed to focus her campaign much better.


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In horrible news :

https://www.thedailybeast.com/puerto-rican-government-quietly-admits-1427-died-in-hurricane

*sigh*



All of the items you list were absolutely factors in the election but you're being far too dismissive of the facts that Clinton had the second highest unfavorable ratings of any candidate in the history of tracking unfavorable ratings, second only to Trump. We had the two most disliked candidates running against each other for PotUS, that's going to depress turnout, we literally selected two hugely unpopular people to run in a popularity contest. Regardless of whether or not you think it was fair that Clinton was disliked or the means in which her unfavorability was heightened, it existed and it had an impact on both Republican and Democrat voters.

Second, the media gave Trump billions of dollars of coverage simply to chase ratings. Whatever your feelings on the whole FAKE NEWS meme, it is inarguable that the MSM showed a clear preference for covering Trump instead of other candidates. There were instances of stations like CNN and MSNBC showing live footage of an empty podium waiting for Trump to show up and speak instead of covering a Sanders event also occurring or any other candidate. The coverage featured far more pundits and talking heads discussing what Trump said, reactions to what Trump said and reactions to the reactions of what Trump said than providing background or contextual information regarding issues. The coverage wasn't about doing a public service to inform the electorate it was chasing and promoting controversy to increase ratings.

I agree that Clinton definitely could have campaigned better. It wouldn't have necessarily improved the quality of her positions but while every media outlet was racing to cover Trump 24/7 Clinton pretty much hid from the media and relied heavily on simply not being Trump carrying her to victory. This was exacerbated by the DNC's treatment of the Sanders campaign making it look like Clinton was trying push down the Sanders campaign while keeping her head down and waiting for Trump to finally self destruct instead of getting out and winning over voters..

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Some were racist, some were just inured to the racism, some were just voting out of denial of reality, some out of loyalty, some to stick it to the left and some to deny it to Hillary. Not exactly glowing praise for his electorate.


These are your statements, not facts. It is not supported by Dem victories since.

Its corresponds with your 3 reasons. Trump had no policies to vote for except slogans that were more negative than positive.

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
 Frazzled wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Some were racist, some were just inured to the racism, some were just voting out of denial of reality, some out of loyalty, some to stick it to the left and some to deny it to Hillary. Not exactly glowing praise for his electorate.


These are your statements, not facts. It is not supported by Dem victories since.

Its corresponds with your 3 reasons. Trump had no policies to vote for except slogans that were more negative than positive.


They were policies. You just did not like them.

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