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d-usa wrote: Nobody will feth with the IRS, even if it would be to spite Trump.
Yeah...I really doubt that. Everyone at the IRS is a democrat - because they work for the federal government. They were happy to do targeted audits on republican organizations during the Obama administration and they got away with it with really weak excuses like...oh we deleted all of those emails...I am certain if there was some kind of damning evidence against trump it would be out in the public already. The person would be glorified as a hero by 50% of the country and could even do it without releasing their identity. There is obviously nothing scrupulous there. Except maybe he doesn't pay a lot in taxes.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Well - you would be pretty naive if you think that out of all the people at the IRS that have access to that information. Not 1 person is devious enough to release that information. Otherwise you just aren't paying close enough attention. The hatred for trump is beyond deep.
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TIL that working for the federal government automatically makes you a Democrat.
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Vaktathi wrote: TIL that working for the federal government automatically makes you a Democrat.
It sure gives a whole new meaning to the deep state. All of Trump's staff aren't incompetent, they are just secret democrats trying to make Trump look bad!
Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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FYI - when someone makes a generalization like "everyone that works for the IRS is a democrat" It really means - "most everyone that works for the IRS is a democrat" and that is true.
Obviously people who work on trumps staff - who he hand picks aren't going to be democrats. You guys need better material.
It is wake up sheeple post. If you honestly believe someone at the IRS wouldn't have leaked damning information on trump by now - you are quite Niave. I have already said that.
I have to be honest - that is the dumbest article I have ever read.
"It would logically follow that the Court could declare all legislation and executive actions of a presidency unauthorized by the Constitution to be null and void, as if Trump had never been elected. (Clearly, any Trump appointee to the Court would have to recuse himself from any such decision.)
The Constitution also gives Congress and the states the power to amend the Constitution, thereby annulling or altering whatever provisions came before. Here, too, it would logically follow that Congress and the states could, through amendment, annul a presidency they determine to be unconstitutional."
Yes....we will just make an amendment that makes president trump unconstitutional. All we'd have to do is remove the executive office from the constitution and bamn! We can make a whole new government! This is describing a legislative Coup d'état. It really is sad that this is the kind of garbage democrats hope for. I assure you. If that happens - it would be the worst day in the countries history and would lead to the deaths of countless number of Americans.
Just keep that in mind. This is a union of people - we are supposed to work together and be on the same team here. This is straight traitor talk. You should condemn this nonsense.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
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d-usa wrote: Also, on McCain and his death being politicized already. There are complaints that the flag at the White House is back to full mast. They day off and the day after for a Senator is the standard and follows the flag code, so there is nothing wrong with that. I wouldn’t expect Trump to go out of his way to honor him, and if he does then you end up running into the argument about which Senators are “better” than others to deserve more days.
For me, my flag will remain at half-mast until his burial though.
At work I listened to two people saying that the death of McCain was 'good for the party', because he was a 'RINO'.
John McCain.
A RINO.
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What the Hell has happened to the Republican party?
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
I have to be honest - that is the dumbest article I have ever read.
"It would logically follow that the Court could declare all legislation and executive actions of a presidency unauthorized by the Constitution to be null and void, as if Trump had never been elected. (Clearly, any Trump appointee to the Court would have to recuse himself from any such decision.)
The Constitution also gives Congress and the states the power to amend the Constitution, thereby annulling or altering whatever provisions came before. Here, too, it would logically follow that Congress and the states could, through amendment, annul a presidency they determine to be unconstitutional."
Yes....we will just make an amendment that makes president trump unconstitutional. All we'd have to do is remove the executive office from the constitution and bamn! We can make a whole new government! This is describing a legislative Coup d'état. It really is sad that this is the kind of garbage democrats hope for. I assure you. If that happens - it would be the worst day in the countries history and would lead to the deaths of countless number of Americans.
Yeah, it really shows that desperate, grasping at straws, wishful thinking is not exclusively coming from Republicans.
Just keep that in mind. This is a union of people - we are supposed to work together and be on the same team here. This is straight traitor talk. You should condemn this nonsense.
"Mindless obstruction and proud of it" was the GOP's mantra the entire Obama presidency. Bit rich to be calling for 'same team guys' now.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
We already went through the Nullification Crisis in 1832 and the Federal government won although I'd be down for re-litigating it and giving more power to the States. Reich is a very silly man, it's amusing how he thinks there won't be enough support in Congress to impeach Trump but that Mueller will find enough evidence to convince Congress to pass an amendment to nullify the entire Trump administration.
Yeah... if he's not going to be impeached/removed from office in a traditional manner, then it ain't going to be annuled.
Robert Reich:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Trump relents:
NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt ✔ @NBCNightlyNews NEW: Pres. Trump issues proclamation on McCain:
"Despite our differences on policy and politics, I respect Sen. John McCain’s service to our country and, in his honor, have signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the United States at half-staff until the day of his interment."
3:10 PM - Aug 27, 2018
Looks like various veteran group's criticisms spurred this actions.
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d-usa wrote: Nobody will feth with the IRS, even if it would be to spite Trump.
Yeah...I really doubt that. Everyone at the IRS is a democrat - because they work for the federal government. They were happy to do targeted audits on republican organizations during the Obama administration and they got away with it with really weak excuses like...oh we deleted all of those emails...I am certain if there was some kind of damning evidence against trump it would be out in the public already. The person would be glorified as a hero by 50% of the country and could even do it without releasing their identity. There is obviously nothing scrupulous there. Except maybe he doesn't pay a lot in taxes.
Good lord the ignorance in this is blinding. I work for the IRS, in quite possibly one of the most liberal cities in America, and you are incorrect, not everyone here in my office is a Dem.
If you think for a second that anyone here can go and just type in Trumps name into our system and pull up whatever they want you are VERY mistaken. The IRS, for all its faults, is not stupid; they have protections for this sort of thing.
Please, I beg of you, for all of our sakes, please stop pulling crap out of your ass and stating it as fact because you have no fething idea what you are talking about.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, I am sure it would ve appreciated if you were to stop generalizing everything. A lot of users get up in arms when its done to the right, enough so that it gets a thread locked, and you continue to do it in nearly every post.
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Yeah... if he's not going to be impeached/removed from office in a traditional manner, then it ain't going to be annuled.
Robert Reich:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Trump relents:
NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt
✔
@NBCNightlyNews
NEW: Pres. Trump issues proclamation on McCain:
"Despite our differences on policy and politics, I respect Sen. John McCain’s service to our country and, in his honor, have signed a proclamation to fly the flag of the United States at half-staff until the day of his interment."
3:10 PM - Aug 27, 2018
Looks like various veteran group's criticisms spurred this actions.
Its not going to save him, he is going to be painted as anti-veteran and anyone that is associated with him in the mid terms as well most likely
Yeah, it really shows that desperate, grasping at straws, wishful thinking is not exclusively coming from Republicans.
He's not grasping at straws so much as describing an absolute long shot of a prospect (something the author admits). Legally all of it follows save for the part where he seems to take for granted that should this long series of hypothetical maybes happen that Trump's appointees would "have to" recuse themselves. The situation being described makes sense Constitutionally but just cause it makes sense doesn't mean it's Constitutional. There would probably be multiple SCOTUS cases before it could come true, and he completely glosses over that SCOTUS could rule the entire situation is a political question and bunt the entire ordeal to Congress. Setting that aside, why exactly would Trump's appointees recuse themselves? Because there's a legal case that may rule their appointment unconstitutional IF the court rules Trump's entire presidency was unconstitutional? I don't know about you but that's kind of an absurd premise. There is no requirement to recuse, only an presumptive obligation, and why would they recuse if they consider the case itself lacking in standing which it arguably is. Then the matter becomes a case of "if Trump is impeached because Mueller got overwhelming evidence" and "if Congress successfully impeaches his appointees for not recusing themselves" and "if his presidency is ruled unconstitutional" and that's like three HUGE long shots right there with at least a dozen smaller ones all along the way.
In any case Trump's term would likely end before any such situation were resolved, and it would potentially become a mute question. To lawyers it might be interesting, but realistically it's so out there interesting legal stuffs is all it really is.
Yeah...I really doubt that. Everyone at the IRS is a democrat
I'm sorry but this is just a really funny statement from a guy who ignores all rebuttals no matter how basic with "citation required."
You're either a troll of master class, or quite mad to think that anyone would realistically engage you when you talk like this
Let's be honest. This thread has largely gotten better as the most fringe users have been put on mass ignore so maybe the rest of us should just continue that practice and move on with life?
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Reading this back and forth to whether or not trump is a "great businessman" or not. . . I will present now, the ONLY piece of evidence that anyone needs to see in regard to this.
Ask yourself, "Who killed the USFL?"
Answer: trump. . . See, Trump wrangled for a couple years to gain ownership of a club (other club owners saw the fraud he is, and foresaw issues with him at the helm of anything), and finally managed to do so he began trying to move a moderately successful spring league to the fall.
When the league collapsed and Trumpy went to court over monopoly, the judge said, "you're a fething idiot" (in more legal jargon).
The guy managed to feth up selling booze, red meat, gambling and football in the USA. Genius businessman, truly.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
feeder wrote: The guy managed to feth up selling booze, red meat, gambling and football in the USA. Genius businessman, truly.
I really don't understand this criticism...
Yes, even with those "not so successful endeavors"... he still had successes that made him lots of money. IE, real estates, the 2 (or 3?) pageant, etc...
C'mon ya'll... there are waaaaay better stuff to ding Trump on.
Its not going to save him, he is going to be painted as anti-veteran and anyone that is associated with him in the mid terms as well most likely
After calling him a non-hero because he got captured and attacking gold-star parents, this will do absolutely nothing to him.
He's got an R next to his name on the ticket, that's all that matters for many.
In *this* case, it's about two men who can hold a grudge... so, in a way, they're both 'two peas in the same pod'.
They both absolutely despiseeach other.
...and yes, it's an absolutely valid criticism of Trump... that being an adult, and especially the President, there are times where you should maintain an elegant fiction and observe social norms in cases like this. In which Trump has show that he's incapable of doing.
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feeder wrote: The guy managed to feth up selling booze, red meat, gambling and football in the USA. Genius businessman, truly.
I really don't understand this criticism...
Yes, even with those "not so successful endeavors"... he still had successes that made him lots of money. IE, real estates, the 2 (or 3?) pageant, etc...
C'mon ya'll... there are waaaaay better stuff to ding Trump on.
Literally the only thing about him is his image, his brand. He has no real substance. His numerous embarrassing failures really underscore the lies required to prop up his image.
For example, the Miss Universe pageant (his only pageant) was valued at 5 to 25 million. That's decent money for us regular folks, but nothing for someone who pretends to be as wealthy as Trump.
Those 'way better things' ? Like the toddler jails and idiot policy and catastrophic appointees and moronic border walls? That doesn't seem to be getting any traction with anyone who doesn't already see him for the obvious con man he is, so we have to try other things, like maybe getting at the root of his success, his image.
We were once so close to heaven, St. Peter came out and gave us medals; declaring us "The nicest of the damned".
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”
feeder wrote: The guy managed to feth up selling booze, red meat, gambling and football in the USA. Genius businessman, truly.
I really don't understand this criticism...
Yes, even with those "not so successful endeavors"... he still had successes that made him lots of money. IE, real estates, the 2 (or 3?) pageant, etc...
C'mon ya'll... there are waaaaay better stuff to ding Trump on.
Literally the only thing about him is his image, his brand. He has no real substance. His numerous embarrassing failures really underscore the lies required to prop up his image.
For example, the Miss Universe pageant (his only pageant) was valued at 5 to 25 million. That's decent money for us regular folks, but nothing for someone who pretends to be as wealthy as Trump.
His real estates and multiple golf courses is his bread 'n butter. Forbes have him at just over 3 billion in networth, with most is tied up on illiquid assets. My point is, at some point, he's doing SOMETHING right.
Those 'way better things' ? Like the toddler jails and idiot policy and catastrophic appointees and moronic border walls? That doesn't seem to be getting any traction with anyone who doesn't already see him for the obvious con man he is, so we have to try other things, like maybe getting at the root of his success, his image.
They still do have traction... as it's being litigated in court. Also, when Democrats take control of the House, they'll conduct a slew of oversight meetings over Trump's actions.
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whembly wrote: His real estates and multiple golf courses is his bread 'n butter. Forbes have him at just over 3 billion in networth, with most is tied up on illiquid assets. My point is, at some point, he's doing SOMETHING right.
To paraphrase the ethics prof (a long time practicing lawyer), the one thing trump was actually good at, was playing a shell game. . . to give an example, he financed his casino operations, when they inevitably failed, he had wrapped them behind so many layers and nebulous spiderweb connections that the loss of that business/property never hurt him personally.
Of course, the major downside to this sort of strategy is that US and "friendly" european banks grew wise to these tactics and stopped loaning him any funds. . . . There was one country left who would "allow" these sorts of loans, and its one small part of the issues we're currently having. These were Russian firms.
Yeah, it really shows that desperate, grasping at straws, wishful thinking is not exclusively coming from Republicans.
He's not grasping at straws so much as describing an absolute long shot of a prospect (something the author admits). Legally all of it follows save for the part where he seems to take for granted that should this long series of hypothetical maybes happen that Trump's appointees would "have to" recuse themselves. The situation being described makes sense Constitutionally but just cause it makes sense doesn't mean it's Constitutional. There would probably be multiple SCOTUS cases before it could come true, and he completely glosses over that SCOTUS could rule the entire situation is a political question and bunt the entire ordeal to Congress. Setting that aside, why exactly would Trump's appointees recuse themselves? Because there's a legal case that may rule their appointment unconstitutional IF the court rules Trump's entire presidency was unconstitutional? I don't know about you but that's kind of an absurd premise. There is no requirement to recuse, only an presumptive obligation, and why would they recuse if they consider the case itself lacking in standing which it arguably is. Then the matter becomes a case of "if Trump is impeached because Mueller got overwhelming evidence" and "if Congress successfully impeaches his appointees for not recusing themselves" and "if his presidency is ruled unconstitutional" and that's like three HUGE long shots right there with at least a dozen smaller ones all along the way.
In any case Trump's term would likely end before any such situation were resolved, and it would potentially become a mute question. To lawyers it might be interesting, but realistically it's so out there interesting legal stuffs is all it really is.
Yeah...I really doubt that. Everyone at the IRS is a democrat
I'm sorry but this is just a really funny statement from a guy who ignores all rebuttals no matter how basic with "citation required."
You're either a troll of master class, or quite mad to think that anyone would realistically engage you when you talk like this
Let's be honest. This thread has largely gotten better as the most fringe users have been put on mass ignore so maybe the rest of us should just continue that practice and move on with life?
No - you are absurd. Obviously I am making a generalization. You are smart enough to know that so you are just going to attack a generalization rather than the argument. Do you really want to argue that Democrats are not the overwhelming majority of IRS employees? Would it be dubious of me to suggest most Nascar drivers are Republicans? No - because it's bloody obvious. The data doesn't exist - so I have to make generalizations. The IRS is a huge federal agency - this will naturally push republicans out - republicans really don't like huge federal organizations - nor do they like taxes. A republican with the education required to work at the IRS is much more likely to own his/her account practice.
Not everything requires a dang citation ether - opinions certainly don't. Obviously that is my opinion. Feel free to disagree with it. Don't call me a troll for calling out what should be obvious to everyone. Just trying to open up ideas about the whole situation. If there really was some kind of damning evidence in Trumps Tax return - How has the Muller investigation or just some crazed democrat working in the IRS not released the information/made a legal case?
Also - You seem to prefer echo chambers. In the real world people disagreeing is quite common.
Its not going to save him, he is going to be painted as anti-veteran and anyone that is associated with him in the mid terms as well most likely
After calling him a non-hero because he got captured and attacking gold-star parents, this will do absolutely nothing to him.
He's got an R next to his name on the ticket, that's all that matters for many.
Trump gained a lot of support for outly expressing that he did not like McCain. Lots of Reps didn't like McCain then. Personally it was really low of Trump to say what he said about McCain. The man suffered a great deal in his service to our country. Trump got carried away playing the political game. Which truely is a game. A game that Trump outplayed everyone at because he had no political career to worry about after the election. He understood all he needed to do was to look like the badest dude in the room. He managed that quite well. Not a single Republican knew how to deal with it. Rubio tried with his "small hands" attack on trump - but ultimately Rubio destroyed his political chances at advancement by taking a drink of water at the wrong time on camera.
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If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced.
- Fox Mulder
Xenomancers wrote: Just look at HRC's hair there though. It looks like a 90 year old who just rolled out of bed at a nursing home.
Please...
Please tell me that was just a joke that didn't land.
You think he hair looks good then...Okay...
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You were referring to the lady in red in that John McCain video right? Because that's not HRC, pretty obviously, not HRC. It's one of his supporters from a rally during the 2008 campain (who might well be "90 year old who just rolled out of bed"). That should have been obvious from context alone.
I hear if you say Hillary Clinton's name three times in a mirror with all the lights off, she appears and tells you to check her website for policy details.
Xenomancers wrote: Just look at HRC's hair there though. It looks like a 90 year old who just rolled out of bed at a nursing home.
Please...
Please tell me that was just a joke that didn't land.
You think he hair looks good then...Okay...
. . .
You were referring to the lady in red in that John McCain video right? Because that's not HRC, pretty obviously, not HRC. It's one of his supporters from a rally during the 2008 campain (who might well be "90 year old who just rolled out of bed"). That should have been obvious from context alone.
Looks a lot like hillary from behind though.
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- Fox Mulder
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