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2018/08/29 15:32:25
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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 Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
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2018/08/29 15:32:36
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 d-usa wrote:This also highlights the problem of assigning left and right labels to people in general, or applying political terminology to things that are non-political.
The problem is a lot of things that should be non-political (climate change, evolution, don' intentionally hurt people) have been turned political by certain peoples.
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2018/08/29 15:35:35
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 NinthMusketeer wrote:There is nothing anyone can do that will be a worse punishment, or more appropriate, than what Trump will do to himself.
But I sure hope they try!
Gee, Mr. Trump... most Google searches about you are negative?
Could it be because more than half of America disapproves of the job you are doing, and it goes up from there?
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Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
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2018/08/29 15:40:19
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I would argue that conspiracy theories requiring global collusion of millions of people are not purely a left-wing thing.
Conspiracy theories such as faked moon-landings, pharmaceutical companies, independent scientists and doctors lying to the whole world about vaccine harm, chemicals turning frogs gay, 9/11 being an inside job, the "deep state", etc. transcend political spectra.
Ignorance and resistance to learning is not confined to liberals or conservatives, especially at the utmost fringes of the political spectrum.
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2018/08/29 15:44:44
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The issue with schools refusing kids who aren't vaccinated seems to be enforcement. Schools can't legally ask for medical background here and parents could lie. If you just refuse a kid based on the suspiscion you open yourself up to a discrimination lawsuit as a public school. I assume the hurdle is practically the same for schools in the US?
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2018/08/29 15:50:14
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
I'm not sure I understand your question. His original point was that the media has a liberal bias that doesn't reflect the political makeup of the country at large, so you tend to get more liberal opinions in their writing https://www.businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profession-2014-11
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2018/08/29 15:50:28
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 Disciple of Fate wrote:The issue with schools refusing kids who aren't vaccinated seems to be enforcement. Schools can't legally ask for medical background here and parents could lie. If you just refuse a kid based on the suspiscion you open yourself up to a discrimination lawsuit as a public school. I assume the hurdle is practically the same for schools in the US?
the school my kids are in (a public school) requires certain medical documentation, including vaccination records. . . Mostly, this is because the school has an absolute need to know of any allergies or medical issues, particularly if it is a life threatening issue.
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2018/08/29 15:59:01
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 Ensis Ferrae wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote:The issue with schools refusing kids who aren't vaccinated seems to be enforcement. Schools can't legally ask for medical background here and parents could lie. If you just refuse a kid based on the suspiscion you open yourself up to a discrimination lawsuit as a public school. I assume the hurdle is practically the same for schools in the US?
the school my kids are in (a public school) requires certain medical documentation, including vaccination records. . . Mostly, this is because the school has an absolute need to know of any allergies or medical issues, particularly if it is a life threatening issue.
I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
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2018/08/29 16:02:09
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 DrGiggles wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
I'm not sure I understand your question. His original point was that the media has a liberal bias that doesn't reflect the political makeup of the country at large, so you tend to get more liberal opinions in their writing https://www.businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profession-2014-11
The question is why the people is assumed to be the baseline off of which "bias" is measured. The assumption is that a media that is more liberal than the average in the population is biased, I'm asking why this assumption is being made.
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2018/08/29 16:03:04
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They will be refused enrollment unless their lack of vaccination is caused by a legally permissible, and appropriately documented, reason.
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2018/08/29 16:05:22
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Disciple of Fate wrote:
I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
What religions are actually against vaccination?
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1) You cannot win. 2) You cannot break even. 3) You cannot stop playing the game.
Colonel Flagg wrote:You think you're real smart. But you're not smart; you're dumb. Very dumb. But you've met your match in me.
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2018/08/29 16:05:45
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
Are you suggesting the population has some sort of control over the media? Because it really works the other way around. People are susceptible to suggestion. Sure - people could just lose faith in the news media and watch something else AND THEY DO. This is where click bait media comes from. Large news organizations are doing whatever it takes to get peoples attention - this also includes exaggerated articles that feed off of peoples most baser instincts. Fear, prejudice, anger, ect. Problem is - is that is working pretty well for them. This happens on both sides. It is equally appalling that it is happening on ether side. It really seems reactionary on the right though IMO just out of my own personal experience.
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2018/08/29 16:07:57
Subject: Re:US & NA Politics Thread
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Saw this and was...amused.
Tag, kickball, Red Rover, musical chairs: Games deemed 'inappropriate' by Alabama school board
I was unaware Yoga is banned specifically by name in Alabama law from being taught at public schools...because it is "Hindu religious training" apparently 
I've never even heard of a couple of these.
More to the point, I thought this was satire the way this was written, it doesn't read like something a state agency would put out, but it's real. Looks like it got taken off the ALDOE website after it got shared and generated some social media guffaws, but its still in instructional materials.
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2018/08/29 16:11:48
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 A Town Called Malus wrote:I would argue that conspiracy theories requiring global collusion of millions of people are not purely a left-wing thing.
Conspiracy theories such as faked moon-landings, pharmaceutical companies, independent scientists and doctors lying to the whole world about vaccine harm, chemicals turning frogs gay, 9/11 being an inside job, the "deep state", etc. transcend political spectra.
Ignorance and resistance to learning is not confined to liberals or conservatives, especially at the utmost fringes of the political spectrum.
I mean, global warming, climate change with any degree of human involvement. If I want to go with the easy one. Either the entire scientific community is in on it, or the entire republican position on it is.
I may be a bit hacked off, but right wing media's bias has thrown American political expectations far right. As a result, yeah, people interested in honesty, journalism and truth are probably going to be coming from the left.
It's a result of the ideology of the right, not some mass conspiracy. You can make more on the right spewing gak than you can actually reporting news, so you get shock jocks rather than journalists. The whole greed is good ethos combined with a lack of interest in truth.
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2018/08/29 16:13:35
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Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
Are you suggesting the population has some sort of control over the media? Because it really works the other way around. People are susceptible to suggestion. Sure - people could just lose faith in the news media and watch something else AND THEY DO. This is where click bait media comes from. Large news organizations are doing whatever it takes to get peoples attention - this also includes exaggerated articles that feed off of peoples most baser instincts. Fear, prejudice, anger, ect. Problem is - is that is working pretty well for them. This happens on both sides. It is equally appalling that it is happening on ether side. It really seems reactionary on the right though IMO just out of my own personal experience.
So, is your argument that The Media has a left-wing bias that is out of whack with the larger US population, and your evidence for that argument is that The Media is heavily relying on stories that have a lowest common denominator wide appeal with the larger US population?
Wouldn't it have to be either that the media is not giving the masses what they want, and they are instead unfairly biased towards trying to convince the population of something they don't believe, OR that the media is giving the masses what they want and leaving the truth to the wayside?
How do you get both?
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"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"
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2018/08/29 16:16:34
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AlmightyWalrus wrote: DrGiggles wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
I'm not sure I understand your question. His original point was that the media has a liberal bias that doesn't reflect the political makeup of the country at large, so you tend to get more liberal opinions in their writing https://www.businessinsider.com/charts-show-the-political-bias-of-each-profession-2014-11
The question is why the people is assumed to be the baseline off of which "bias" is measured. The assumption is that a media that is more liberal than the average in the population is biased, I'm asking why this assumption is being made.
It is being made because the political makeup of their organizations aren't reflective of the nation at large, there are far more liberal employees than conservative employees in the media. You are more likely to pick up a paper and read an article with a liberal slant than a conservative slant to it because people are bad at recognizing their own biases and it tends to show in their writing.
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2018/08/29 16:17:08
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 Vaktathi wrote:Saw this and was...amused.
Tag, kickball, Red Rover, musical chairs: Games deemed 'inappropriate' by Alabama school board
I was unaware Yoga is banned specifically by name in Alabama law from being taught at public schools...because it is "Hindu religious training" apparently
I've never even heard of a couple of these.
More to the point, I thought this was satire the way this was written, it doesn't read like something a state agency would put out, but it's real. Looks like it got taken off the ALDOE website after it got shared and generated some social media guffaws, but its still in instructional materials.
Their justification for banning relay races works equally well to banning all races.
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2018/08/29 16:22:30
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote:
I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
What religions are actually against vaccination?
Without hitting Google, I would think that Church of Christ Scientist and other “Christian Science” denominations would fall under that spectrum.
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2018/08/29 16:25:38
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A Town Called Malus wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote:
I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
What religions are actually against vaccination?
Afaik in the Netherlands its mainly Jehovahs Witnesses that claim objection on religious ground. There might be even more fringe ones I'm not aware about though.
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d-usa wrote:They will be refused enrollment unless their lack of vaccination is caused by a legally permissible, and appropriately documented, reason.
Now this is where I would like the NL to copy the US. Its fething stupid we can't make a law for this. Strangely enough when I grew up I mived out of the religious heartlands that don't vaccinate, only to end up in a city where a few years later they started the new age anti-vax BS 
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Vaktathi wrote:Saw this and was...amused.
Tag, kickball, Red Rover, musical chairs: Games deemed 'inappropriate' by Alabama school board
I was unaware Yoga is banned specifically by name in Alabama law from being taught at public schools...because it is "Hindu religious training" apparently
I've never even heard of a couple of these.
More to the point, I thought this was satire the way this was written, it doesn't read like something a state agency would put out, but it's real. Looks like it got taken off the ALDOE website after it got shared and generated some social media guffaws, but its still in instructional materials.
That really looks like a joke, but as its real... good, giants, elves and wizards is just a gateway into D&D. We all know what D&D leads to 
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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2018/08/29 16:37:30
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Most of the time here, if a parent is against vaccinations on religious grounds, odds are they child isn't in public school. Home schooling is becoming more and more popular here, as are religious private schools (which I think might still have to have the requirements).
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2018/08/29 16:37:36
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d-usa wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote:
I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
What religions are actually against vaccination?
Without hitting Google, I would think that Church of Christ Scientist and other “Christian Science” denominations would fall under that spectrum.
Yeah - you hit the nail on the head there that is the first group that comes up in a google search. In my experience it is the weirder "cult like" churches that do this.
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2018/08/29 16:53:05
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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:Most of the time here, if a parent is against vaccinations on religious grounds, odds are they child isn't in public school. Home schooling is becoming more and more popular here, as are religious private schools (which I think might still have to have the requirements).
I think with the private schools it depends on the faith of the school proper.
But yeah, homeschooling is the real problem when it comes to this kind of stuff and education levels proper.
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2018/08/29 16:59:46
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It might be the real problem in the US. Here its that they can just put their unvaccinated kids in school and daycare exposing other children (some even though young for their shots) to their risks. Homeschooling sounds like a first world problem you guys have 
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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2018/08/29 17:11:32
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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d-usa wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote: I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
What religions are actually against vaccination?
Without hitting Google, I would think that Church of Christ Scientist and other “Christian Science” denominations would fall under that spectrum.
Found an article which summarises the positions of different faiths with regards to vaccinations, taken from the findings of this article. Seems that the "Christian Scientists" don't like them until they suffer an outbreak of something they don't know about but which is vaccine preventable, the Dutch Reformed Church didn't like them to begin with due to observed adverse effects (way back at the first smallpox vaccines of the 1800's) and this position has evolved over time into it being a religious belief that the vaccine interferes with ones connection to god. Jehovah's Witnesses were initially opposed, changed to neutral in the 50's then kinda lukewarm in the 90's. Everyone else is at the least neutral about them.
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2018/08/29 17:17:55
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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the_scotsman wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote: Xenomancers wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Why are you assuming that the media is wrong and the people correct? What if the media isn't biased, but the people is?
It is not the medias job to be "right". It's job is to be objective give people information - that should also include not scaring people into a panic - providing references to give people perspective.
For example.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/26/sport/lebron-james-scary-police-son/index.html
This story got a lot of hype. "OMG! Even the king of basketball is afraid his son is going to get shot by police! This is a serious issue"
https://www.businessinsider.com/mass-shooting-gun-statistics-2018-2
He should actually be 10 times more concerned if his kid wants to ride motorcycles. Plus his son twice as likely to die choking eating food. This is what objective journalism would look like if it did exist. Gotta be real. The only place you are going to get this kind of info is by looking for it on your own. Or finding a news organization where offering this information is part of their agenda. Not saying it's any better on the right. There is just 10 times less of it coming from the right because they are 10% of what is out there i the news. This leads to a lot more left wing misinformation being released to the public than right wing misinformation. This is very bad.
Adress my point. Why do you assume that it's automatically the media at fault, rather than part of the population?
Are you suggesting the population has some sort of control over the media? Because it really works the other way around. People are susceptible to suggestion. Sure - people could just lose faith in the news media and watch something else AND THEY DO. This is where click bait media comes from. Large news organizations are doing whatever it takes to get peoples attention - this also includes exaggerated articles that feed off of peoples most baser instincts. Fear, prejudice, anger, ect. Problem is - is that is working pretty well for them. This happens on both sides. It is equally appalling that it is happening on ether side. It really seems reactionary on the right though IMO just out of my own personal experience.
So, is your argument that The Media has a left-wing bias that is out of whack with the larger US population, and your evidence for that argument is that The Media is heavily relying on stories that have a lowest common denominator wide appeal with the larger US population?
Wouldn't it have to be either that the media is not giving the masses what they want, and they are instead unfairly biased towards trying to convince the population of something they don't believe, OR that the media is giving the masses what they want and leaving the truth to the wayside?
How do you get both?
The media is giving people what they want. That is the problem. There is a reason we banned gladiator combat to the death. It is barbaric - however - people would most certainly watch it. People have a natural attraction to death and conflict.
I will quote the great James Maynard Kennan - Truly awesome song called Vicarious.
"We all feed on tragedy - It's like blood to a vampire. Vicariously I live - while the whole world dies."
Really the whole song is on this topic.
The thing is - this isn't all we want. We also like to hear happy stories. Stories about progress. Stories about hope. You don't see those anymore because they have less click bait success. Plus no one talks about them or comments on them so they make less money.
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2018/08/29 17:24:14
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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A Town Called Malus wrote:Found an article which summarises the positions of different faiths with regards to vaccinations, taken from the findings of this article.
Seems that the "Christian Scientists" don't like them until they suffer an outbreak of something they don't know about but which is vaccine preventable, the Dutch Reformed Church didn't like them to begin with due to observed adverse effects (way back at the first smallpox vaccines of the 1800's) and this position has evolved over time into it being a religious belief that the vaccine interferes with ones connection to god.
Jehovah's Witnesses were initially opposed, changed to neutral in the 50's then kinda lukewarm in the 90's.
Everyone else is at the least neutral about them.
The Dutch Reformed Church is a bit of an odd duck at least here. You could have their congregation vaccinated in one town while being vehemently against vaccination the next town over (or even the next church over). There is no coherent national line/policy and technically that church no longer exists.
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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2018/08/29 17:26:04
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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Xenomancers wrote: d-usa wrote: A Town Called Malus wrote: Disciple of Fate wrote: I'm surprised, what would happen if you refuse to give that documentation? Furthermore, if you have children who are not vaccinated can they even refuse them when it might be part of their religion, which in turn could mean that they could try that as a discrimination angle? Sorry, just wondering where the limits are for US public schools.
What religions are actually against vaccination?
Without hitting Google, I would think that Church of Christ Scientist and other “Christian Science” denominations would fall under that spectrum.
Yeah - you hit the nail on the head there that is the first group that comes up in a google search. In my experience it is the weirder "cult like" churches that do this.
Aye, there is no mainstream religion that is against vaccination, or that has anything to say about vaccination at all for that matter since those religions predate vaccination by at least a thousand years usually. It is only cults and radical splinter groups that sometimes are against vaccination, just like there are splinter groups that are against television, holidays, dinosaurs, certain vegetables or anything invented after the 19th century. Basically, if it exists you can probably find some wacky cult that opposes it. Probably in the US too, since the US seems to be the primary source of wacky cults (not that other countries don't have their wacky cults as well, the US just has more of them).
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2018/08/29 17:26:27
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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 Kilkrazy wrote:That's what the mid-term results will find out.
But anyway, if it's not enough, I don't think Trump has anything else to offer anyone except what he's already giving his core supporters. He's certainly doubling down on the main messages of "deep state", "fake media" and so on.
A lot of the rest of the Republican Party are only supporting him because they are scared of deselection by Trumpists in their constituencies. It's like the Tea Party on steroids. As soon as Republicans see they are more at danger of losing to Democrat candidates, the GOP tide will turn against Trump.
Like at the presidential election, this places the burden on the Democrats to mobilise maximum possible support.
You are forgetting something: 4.2%GDP growth.
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2018/08/29 17:28:27
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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Can I just say it’s hilarious that Trump is Constitutionally not allowed to block people on Twitter? Cause it’s pretty damn funny
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2018/08/29 17:31:36
Subject: US & NA Politics Thread
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 Frazzled wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:That's what the mid-term results will find out. But anyway, if it's not enough, I don't think Trump has anything else to offer anyone except what he's already giving his core supporters. He's certainly doubling down on the main messages of "deep state", "fake media" and so on. A lot of the rest of the Republican Party are only supporting him because they are scared of deselection by Trumpists in their constituencies. It's like the Tea Party on steroids. As soon as Republicans see they are more at danger of losing to Democrat candidates, the GOP tide will turn against Trump. Like at the presidential election, this places the burden on the Democrats to mobilise maximum possible support.
You are forgetting something: 4.2%GDP growth.
You're forgetting that that is quarterly, its predicted to dive below the US average around election time (and keeps going down in 2019). Its the buildup before the tariffs hit
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Sorry for my spelling. I'm not a native speaker and a dyslexic.
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