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CA added a ton of new content. And a few pages that should have been for free on their website, containing the point changes.
Its not perfect, yes, but it has value and to me that value was worth the money. Not having the option to just get the point changes for free sucks though, I agree

I guess I should have been a bit more clear in my statement about wanting a complete rule set. If I buy the Necromunda starter set, I can play. 2D game with two factions. If it were a totally stand alone game it would be a joke and something very few board gamers would bother with, let alone miniature gamers. To get the campaign system, 3D rules, and a third faction I have to buy another book. And on top of all that I still don’t think I can buy the Necromunda rule book by itself.

I can sort of deal with the new book for each faction but it’s riding an edge for me a bit that I have to shell out $25 for rules for a single gang. In Shadespire, I get the rules, models, and cards for not much more than that. ( I won’t even compare the value to other game company offering)

And Peregine, just because you think it is to much effort and cost does not mean everyone else agrees. The Facebook group for the AnyCubic is blowing up and a lot of the gaming community that has been involved in 3D printing are picking them up for miniatures in large numbers now. And a good print on the AnyCubic after being primed will be indistinguishable from a high quality molded mini, I am speaking from first hand in person experience here.

OK, the 3D rules are a major point that should be core to the game, I fully agree.
Necromunda seems to be very different from the other systems then, sorry to hear that :(

ValentineGames wrote:

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

Oh, I guess you're right. We can't all be level headed geniuses like yourself. You should write a book or something about these injustices.

Reemule wrote:
I think a better question is how long is GW going to charge for rules? So many other games have go to downloaded for free rules, and living rulebooks, and such.

I’d prefer that system. I don’t feel GW puts out such high quality rules I want to spend money on them. I also feel like I just want the rules, Not sure I want to spend money to subsidise the art industry that GW has.

Yeah they can make free pdf's and sell codex's to people that want to buy them and a lot will if you consider the amount of limited editions they sell, its just GW being their greedy selves, they hinted at free rules but change their mind.

ValentineGames wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
Necromunda is a perfect example of "DLC".
Chapter approved for 8th is too.
GW are the EA of wargaming. Milk that cash cow!

Necromunda is new gangs and their rules. When they're done they're done.

Chapter Approved is level setting rules on a yearly basis. You know - the gak PEOPLE ASKED FOR.

No. Necromunda is new gang. 3D rules. And equipment lists spread out so you need all the books to buy anything...and still miss a ton of stuff...and still need White Dwarf...and GW downloads...and FW downloads...

And yes people I'm sure asked for updates...how many asked to pay for these mandatory updates?...which should be free.
You pay £50 for a rulebook and £20-40 each year to play.
It's a GW live account.

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

when the general's handbook came out, the voer whelming response from 40k players was "we'd love something like this" course now that we have it people are complaining about it.

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

BrianDavion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
Necromunda is a perfect example of "DLC".
Chapter approved for 8th is too.
GW are the EA of wargaming. Milk that cash cow!

Necromunda is new gangs and their rules. When they're done they're done.

Chapter Approved is level setting rules on a yearly basis. You know - the gak PEOPLE ASKED FOR.

No. Necromunda is new gang. 3D rules. And equipment lists spread out so you need all the books to buy anything...and still miss a ton of stuff...and still need White Dwarf...and GW downloads...and FW downloads...

And yes people I'm sure asked for updates...how many asked to pay for these mandatory updates?...which should be free.
You pay £50 for a rulebook and £20-40 each year to play.
It's a GW live account.

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

when the general's handbook came out, the voer whelming response from 40k players was "we'd love something like this" course now that we have it people are complaining about it.

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

Codex's are blooming expensive, especially for what they are and especially for people like me that collect every faction apart from Tau and Dark Eldar, and 8 Imperial armies.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

Oh, I guess you're right. We can't all be level headed geniuses like yourself. You should write a book or something about these injustices.

It does take a special person to be ok with buying 2 chapter approved books a year (so £40 a year) just to be allowed to keep playing because of new rules and pts changes that should of been right the first time with playtesting (what a joke) or as a free PDF.
I know no other wargame that charges you a £40 season pass to play with toys.
And I know no other fanbase who would willingly bend over and take it with a smile.

BrianDavion wrote:

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

That's a pretty poor example when a box of tactical marines has no value for money at all...
You're saying a book is just as good value as 10 models for £22.50...
When in comparison I can get 60 for £22.50 and play black powder which I never need mandatory books to use...
That's value for money.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:
Necromunda is a perfect example of "DLC".
Chapter approved for 8th is too.
GW are the EA of wargaming. Milk that cash cow!

Necromunda is new gangs and their rules. When they're done they're done.

Chapter Approved is level setting rules on a yearly basis. You know - the gak PEOPLE ASKED FOR.

No. Necromunda is new gang. 3D rules. And equipment lists spread out so you need all the books to buy anything...and still miss a ton of stuff...and still need White Dwarf...and GW downloads...and FW downloads...

And yes people I'm sure asked for updates...how many asked to pay for these mandatory updates?...which should be free.
You pay £50 for a rulebook and £20-40 each year to play.
It's a GW live account.

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

when the general's handbook came out, the voer whelming response from 40k players was "we'd love something like this" course now that we have it people are complaining about it.

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

Codex's are blooming expensive, especially for what they are and especially for people like me that collect every faction apart from Tau and Dark Eldar, and 8 Imperial armies.

50 dollars (Canadian) is "blooming expensive" is it? for a hard cover full colour 100+ page book? No it's not. Thats actually pretty cheap. remember a codex isn't just a rules book. Codex Space Marines is a 208 page book, the rules start at page 130. pages 3-129? fluff, lore, background knowledge call it what you will. but i makes up a good half of the book. Someone's got to write that. And that someone has to get paid.

ValentineGames wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

Oh, I guess you're right. We can't all be level headed geniuses like yourself. You should write a book or something about these injustices.

It does take a special person to be ok with buying 2 chapter approved books a year (so £40 a year) just to be allowed to keep playing because of new rules and pts changes that should of been right the first time with playtesting (what a joke) or as a free PDF.
I know no other wargame that charges you a £40 season pass to play with toys.
And I know no other fanbase who would willingly bend over and take it with a smile.

BrianDavion wrote:

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

That's a pretty poor example when a box of tactical marines has no value for money at all...
You're saying a book is just as good value as 10 models for £22.50...
When in comparison I can get 60 for £22.50 and play black powder which I never need mandatory books to use...
That's value for money.

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

At this point you're just blabbering pointlessly.
I said nothing about a codex or limited editions.
A comparison was made to a tactical squad. Stop chatting gak.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

Oh, I guess you're right. We can't all be level headed geniuses like yourself. You should write a book or something about these injustices.

It does take a special person to be ok with buying 2 chapter approved books a year (so £40 a year) just to be allowed to keep playing because of new rules and pts changes that should of been right the first time with playtesting (what a joke) or as a free PDF.
I know no other wargame that charges you a £40 season pass to play with toys.
And I know no other fanbase who would willingly bend over and take it with a smile.

BrianDavion wrote:

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

That's a pretty poor example when a box of tactical marines has no value for money at all...
You're saying a book is just as good value as 10 models for £22.50...
When in comparison I can get 60 for £22.50 and play black powder which I never need mandatory books to use...
That's value for money.

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

except people obviously do want them. And some people even happily buy the special editions. if all you want are the rules just use the bloody index and use the internet for the 5 or so pages of additional rules the codex would give you. quit trying to pretend you speak for "everyone" you don't. you've got a nasty habbit of spewing your opinion as if it was fact Delvarus.

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

Yes I am. People wanted updates regularly, GW provides for a nominal fee. GW have seen their chance to monetize updates by providing them in print along with other extra content people are conveniently forgetting about when they want a whine. I'm not saying it's the optimal system, but my word people, keep your toys in the pram for once.

phillv85 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

Yes I am. People wanted updates regularly, GW provides for a nominal fee. GW have seen their chance to monetize updates by providing them in print along with other extra content people are conveniently forgetting about when they want a whine. I'm not saying it's the optimal system, but my word people, keep your toys in the pram for once.

I swear GW could send hookers to these peoples doors and they'd complain about the colour of her hair.

phillv85 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

Yes I am. People wanted updates regularly, GW provides for a nominal fee. GW have seen their chance to monetize updates by providing them in print along with other extra content people are conveniently forgetting about when they want a whine. I'm not saying it's the optimal system, but my word people, keep your toys in the pram for once.

A) I never said i was fine with their other contents monetization system, frankly if they would've not the makret power and the lore they would not be able to pull their Rulebook+Index+Codex+CA system.

B) There is not an inherent problem with providing balanced rules for free for a game, even updated.Infact this is one of the things mentioned most often at the FLGS why people were and are hesitant to start 40k.

BrianDavion wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

Yes I am. People wanted updates regularly, GW provides for a nominal fee. GW have seen their chance to monetize updates by providing them in print along with other extra content people are conveniently forgetting about when they want a whine. I'm not saying it's the optimal system, but my word people, keep your toys in the pram for once.

I swear GW could send hookers to these peoples doors and they'd complain about the colour of her hair.

Right, because it's great for the players to pay a balance fee every six months. That is what Chapter Approved is. A surcharge for the less-unbalanced version of Warhammer 40,000. The extra content is only there as an attempt to justify charging for balance. I think nearly everyone agrees that the points changes should be free. That is the issue. And dismissing criticism with "people will never be happy with anything GW could hypothetically do, they just want to complain" shows you don't have much of an argument.

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

At this point you're just blabbering pointlessly.
I said nothing about a codex or limited editions.
A comparison was made to a tactical squad. Stop chatting gak.

I wasn't even talking to you.

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

Yes I am. People wanted updates regularly, GW provides for a nominal fee. GW have seen their chance to monetize updates by providing them in print along with other extra content people are conveniently forgetting about when they want a whine. I'm not saying it's the optimal system, but my word people, keep your toys in the pram for once.

A) I never said i was fine with their other contents monetization system, frankly if they would've not the makret power and the lore they would not be able to pull their Rulebook+Index+Codex+CA system.

B) There is not an inherent problem with providing balanced rules for free for a game, even updated.Infact this is one of the things mentioned most often at the FLGS why people were and are hesitant to start 40k.

A) I don't know how you've got to that first part of the sentence.... In answer to the second part, they do have the pull and market power, that's how being a successful business works.
B) Say who? GW aren't a charity, if they thought giving the rules away for free would help their business then they'd do it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

Nobody asks for that level of pants on head retardedness. And if you're happy with it and think it's great...you are a GW sheltered fanboy moron...no two ways about it

Oh, I guess you're right. We can't all be level headed geniuses like yourself. You should write a book or something about these injustices.

It does take a special person to be ok with buying 2 chapter approved books a year (so £40 a year) just to be allowed to keep playing because of new rules and pts changes that should of been right the first time with playtesting (what a joke) or as a free PDF.
I know no other wargame that charges you a £40 season pass to play with toys.
And I know no other fanbase who would willingly bend over and take it with a smile.

BrianDavion wrote:

A codex isn't expensive at all, (chapter approved is even less) when you compare the price to what you pay for a 40k mini. a codex is what, the cost of a box of tac marines?

That's a pretty poor example when a box of tactical marines has no value for money at all...
You're saying a book is just as good value as 10 models for £22.50...
When in comparison I can get 60 for £22.50 and play black powder which I never need mandatory books to use...
That's value for money.

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

except people obviously do want them. And some people even happily buy the special editions. if all you want are the rules just use the bloody index and use the internet for the 5 or so pages of additional rules the codex would give you. quit trying to pretend you speak for "everyone" you don't. you've got a nasty habbit of spewing your opinion as if it was fact Delvarus.

How do you know that 'they obviously want them' they haven't given them the option, so stop saying you speak for everyone as well DERP... Just use the index, that's an idiotic statement. No I haven't spewed my opinion as fact, I always make sure not to do that and make sure what is opinion is stated as such and most of what I say in the lore is backed up by quotes, go find a quote where I am spewing my opinion as fact. I've got a nasty habit of being right and people get pissed off and get butthurt like you, so you all wine about Dalvarus lol

Blastaar wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

phillv85 wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:

phillv85 wrote:
I thought Chapter approved was annual? Isn't the FAQ free as well? So they update the rules in press once a year and it's £20? They also print New games modes etc. in it. It's not the worst deal in the world people, come on.

Are you honestly trying to justify, what essentially is a balance patch, should be sold for extra money from the player?
I mean not even EA pulled such shenanigans.

Yes I am. People wanted updates regularly, GW provides for a nominal fee. GW have seen their chance to monetize updates by providing them in print along with other extra content people are conveniently forgetting about when they want a whine. I'm not saying it's the optimal system, but my word people, keep your toys in the pram for once.

I swear GW could send hookers to these peoples doors and they'd complain about the colour of her hair.

Right, because it's great for the players to pay a balance fee every six months. That is what Chapter Approved is. A surcharge for the less-unbalanced version of Warhammer 40,000. The extra content is only there as an attempt to justify charging for balance. I think nearly everyone agrees that the points changes should be free. That is the issue. And dismissing criticism with "people will never be happy with anything GW could hypothetically do, they just want to complain" shows you don't have much of an argument.

The extra content is there to justify the balance charges correct. And you know, to keep people interested with new scenarios etc. I'd like to see the points changes for free, hell I'd like to get the models for free as well. Don't say people on here don't like to complain, some people here will openly admit they just like a moan. I don't see how saying serial complainers are complainers makes me not have much of an argument, that's complete nonsense.

Nobody said they wanted the models for free. Most people are just not fine how the rules are handled as an extended attempt at what is essentially a mandatory additional tax to keep playing. Especially when one considers that they said this was the most playtested edition ever. They then find the guts to tax additionally for a mandatory balance update? I guess that is were many drew the line.

If they really would've wanted to sell us the additional scenarios, they could've had other ways. Heck i would not mind an additional and optional scenario book, if the scenarios were PROPERLY TESTED before hand.

Most people are just fine with Chapter Approved as well, but to a vocal minority an extra £20 a year to keep up to date with the rules and to get some new additional content is tantamount to blackmail or worse.

Ok, so, anyone complaining that the codices are “to expensive” etc, I invite you to do something –

Go down to your local main book store or library.
Look for a full colour, hardback, 100-200 page, A4 book containing glossy printed pictures and artwork. (these are generally reference books as well)
Look at the price.

You will generally see a price range of £20 to £45. GW Codices are currently priced at £25 online.
While there, compare the GW price, to the prices of all the hardback autobiographies, or new release hardback novels. Before discounts, you’ll be looking at paying £20-£25 on average.

Suddenly, the cost of a GW codex, for what it is, doesn’t seem that expensive.

As for Chapter Approved. It will all depend on what this years contains and is priced at. Last years, was reasonably priced for what it contained. Sure, you could argue that the points changes should have been free, but, I’d then also argue that the rest of the books contents was perfectly fine being in there for the price tag. Do I use CA regularly? No. I think, since I’ve got it, I’ve used it at 2 events, and then, only as a reference/should someone want to make sure my info is correct. For someone who generally only plays at events, it was a bit of a wasted buy just for the points cost, but, if you’re more interested in playing the game casually it contains a whole load of info, especially for armies that didn’t have a codex at the time.

But, at the end of the day, is a game update and new content worth £20 a year? Arguably it is, and in many cases in digital games, you'd be paying a lot more.

I personally can’t speak on all the necromunda/specialist games issues and releases, but, if you are playing a single faction in one of those games, do you need that much? Looking at it from someone who doesn’t play it, I’d say I only need 1 Gang War book and then the Gang cards as handy play references in order to play a normal game? I’m guessing, if I brought some of the GW terrain to go “3d”, the terrain would contain the relevant rules info in order to be used? If they don’t, where are the “3d” rules? In a Gang War?

So, at most, I’d be looking at paying £35 on books and £9 on arguably unneeded cards. Now, maybe I’m looking at this from a 40k perspective, but, is that really over the top and too expensive? Especially as it looks like there are free core rule downloads on the necromunda website, similar to the 40k core rules.

The only thing I’d be currently annoyed at, is if GW pulled an AoS on everything else, and re-released a completely changed Space Marine Codex every 6 months like they’ve apparently done with Sigmarines. (that said, I do wish they would start adding in FAQ and CA changes into the codices quicker than they currently do.)

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

At this point you're just blabbering pointlessly.
I said nothing about a codex or limited editions.
A comparison was made to a tactical squad. Stop chatting gak.

I wasn't even talking to you.

Then quote the person you're talking to...which was me...bloody hell we got some really "special" people here.

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

ValentineGames wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Yeah codex's are old concepts, no one wants them anymore, all we want are the rules, I don't care about the nice shiny pictures and the lore that never really changes in any significant way, and its always a summery of the lore, you can learn more just on the internet for free. I hinestly do not know why people buy the limited editions, If I was a millionaire I still wouldn't buy them.

At this point you're just blabbering pointlessly.
I said nothing about a codex or limited editions.
A comparison was made to a tactical squad. Stop chatting gak.

I wasn't even talking to you.

Then quote the person you're talking to...which was me...bloody hell

Calm down there sparky.

Kdash wrote:
Ok, so, anyone complaining that the codices are “to expensive” etc, I invite you to do something –

Go down to your local main book store or library.
Look for a full colour, hardback, 100-200 page, A4 book containing glossy printed pictures and artwork. (these are generally reference books as well)
Look at the price.

You will generally see a price range of £20 to £45. GW Codices are currently priced at £25 online.
While there, compare the GW price, to the prices of all the hardback autobiographies, or new release hardback novels. Before discounts, you’ll be looking at paying £20-£25 on average.

Suddenly, the cost of a GW codex, for what it is, doesn’t seem that expensive.

As for Chapter Approved. It will all depend on what this years contains and is priced at. Last years, was reasonably priced for what it contained. Sure, you could argue that the points changes should have been free, but, I’d then also argue that the rest of the books contents was perfectly fine being in there for the price tag. Do I use CA regularly? No. I think, since I’ve got it, I’ve used it at 2 events, and then, only as a reference/should someone want to make sure my info is correct. For someone who generally only plays at events, it was a bit of a wasted buy just for the points cost, but, if you’re more interested in playing the game casually it contains a whole load of info, especially for armies that didn’t have a codex at the time.

But, at the end of the day, is a game update and new content worth £20 a year? Arguably it is, and in many cases in digital games, you'd be paying a lot more.

I personally can’t speak on all the necromunda/specialist games issues and releases, but, if you are playing a single faction in one of those games, do you need that much? Looking at it from someone who doesn’t play it, I’d say I only need 1 Gang War book and then the Gang cards as handy play references in order to play a normal game? I’m guessing, if I brought some of the GW terrain to go “3d”, the terrain would contain the relevant rules info in order to be used? If they don’t, where are the “3d” rules? In a Gang War?

So, at most, I’d be looking at paying £35 on books and £9 on arguably unneeded cards. Now, maybe I’m looking at this from a 40k perspective, but, is that really over the top and too expensive? Especially as it looks like there are free core rule downloads on the necromunda website, similar to the 40k core rules.

The only thing I’d be currently annoyed at, is if GW pulled an AoS on everything else, and re-released a completely changed Space Marine Codex every 6 months like they’ve apparently done with Sigmarines. (that said, I do wish they would start adding in FAQ and CA changes into the codices quicker than they currently do.)

First: Name me one online game that charges additional money for the balance of the game. I am waiting. Even Paradox does release balance updates for free. Additional content is priced, that is correct and that would not be the problem. The pts. changes however are a problem.
Secondly: The price of books vastly depends on the country you are in. Depending on book price laws etc.

phillv85 wrote:
Most people are just fine with Chapter Approved as well, but to a vocal minority an extra £20 a year to keep up to date with the rules and to get some new additional content is tantamount to blackmail or worse.

And most of those people are just looking for something to complain about. If you don't like chapter approved, the best advice I can give you, get the points costs on the internet, and don't buy it.

 vonjankmon wrote:


And Peregine, just because you think it is to much effort and cost does not mean everyone else agrees. The Facebook group for the AnyCubic is blowing up and a lot of the gaming community that has been involved in 3D printing are picking them up for miniatures in large numbers now. And a good print on the AnyCubic after being primed will be indistinguishable from a high quality molded mini, I am speaking from first hand in person experience here.

Recasting also seems to be doing great, if in my community people can recast simple stuff like tank guns or turrets,I think this means in larger cities there could be full blown recast "factories".

First: Name me one online game that charges additional money for the balance of the game

FIFA 20XX? Each new version is practicly the same game sometimes with unupgraded grafics, and nothing new in it. I think EA does one for american football too, although as I have not see it, I can't be 100% sure about it.