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Warships don't waste space building dedicated research labs on board. The Defiant in DS9 is a Warship, the Prometheus-class is a Warship; Discovery isn't (Stamets and Lorca even butted heads over it in S1!). Similarly, the Constitution-class sure has a bunch of facilities that are a waste of space for a warship.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Tilly remains a Scientist though, and not a Soldier?

She's also demonstrably physically fit, so should a bit of lard really matter when she can win a shipboard marathon?


But she wants to be a captain not a sceintist.....

That bit of the episode was awful, mixed in with the constant fawining over her by senior officers - I quite liked her in the 2nd half of season 1 but this command training programme nonsense is very very poor imo.

We don't know why she is fat in universe.

Starfleet always appears to be military organisation - more so in OS than in Next gen

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I was hoping we'd seen the last of the magic space mushrooms, but sadly not. Still, I've enjoyed the series so far. I wonder how long their epic quest will last. And is that the end of the Klingon plot, now that they've crowbarred in the setup for the Captain/Emperor Georgiou spinoff?
   
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Captain of a Science vessel.

And if that means shedding some pounds, I'm sure she'll get round to it in due course.

So, basically, why shouldn't a science officer upon a science vessel be expected to be of athletic frame?

Does it really, really need an explanation as to why she's fat, or are people just clutching at straws?


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I was hoping we'd seen the last of the magic space mushrooms, but sadly not. Still, I've enjoyed the series so far. I wonder how long their epic quest will last. And is that the end of the Klingon plot, now that they've crowbarred in the setup for the Captain/Emperor Georgiou spinoff?


Unlikely. The signals appear to have some significance to the Klingons as well. So I suspect we'll see them turn up in due course.

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 AndrewGPaul wrote:
I was hoping we'd seen the last of the magic space mushrooms, but sadly not. Still, I've enjoyed the series so far. I wonder how long their epic quest will last. And is that the end of the Klingon plot, now that they've crowbarred in the setup for the Captain/Emperor Georgiou spinoff?


Its Star Trek = the Klingons will be in it again. I think they need mushroom stuff to give stanits something to do....

the sarcastic engineer is fun

and if its a choice between the Emperor and Section 31 or the Burnham and Tilly show well.....

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 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?


She's not even really that plump. Maybe I'm seeing something different...

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It might be more accurate to call Star Fleet militant than military. They have the military style command structure, "security" officers and training programs, and ships that are armed and sufficiently armored to go toe to toe with full blown warships from the likes of the Klingon and Romulan Empires.

Indeed I think the whole "we're Starfleet not a military" thing is a line of in-universe lying to themselves. Sure they're not exclusively a standing military force, but they're oddly well capable of standing for one.

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 Just Tony wrote:
 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?


She's not even really that plump. Maybe I'm seeing something different...


She loks pretty fat to me - but thats also hihghlighted by that fact no one else is - for all the "she is just a scientist" - well so are others on the ship and no else is fat?

If they had wanted it to be in tune with the increasingly large viewer population then they should have had some more big lads and lasses wondering about. I mean its not a CW show is it


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LordofHats wrote:It might be more accurate to call Star Fleet militant than military. They have the military style command structure, "security" officers and training programs, and ships that are armed and sufficiently armored to go toe to toe with full blown warships from the likes of the Klingon and Romulan Empires.

Indeed I think the whole "we're Starfleet not a military" thing is a line of in-universe lying to themselves. Sure they're not exclusively a standing military force, but they're oddly well capable of standing for one.


I think I remember a TNG episode that focused on them being "paramilitary", which I think was Berman-ese for "Need to create an out to tell my type of stories".

Mr Morden wrote:
 Just Tony wrote:
 Souleater wrote:
Apart from Tilly being plump for someone in the military what "modern SJW" crimes is Discovery guilty of?


She's not even really that plump. Maybe I'm seeing something different...


She loks pretty fat to me - but thats also hihghlighted by that fact no one else is - for all the "she is just a scientist" - well so are others on the ship and no else is fat?

If they had wanted it to be in tune with the increasingly large viewer population then they should have had some more big lads and lasses wondering about. I mean its not a CW show is it



I still remember the pictures of Camryn Manheim in a bikini. I won't ever look at someone like Tilly and think they're fat.

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That Camryn lady is a large woman.

Still Tilly just makes me think



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 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
Warships don't waste space building dedicated research labs on board. The Defiant in DS9 is a Warship, the Prometheus-class is a Warship; Discovery isn't (Stamets and Lorca even butted heads over it in S1!). Similarly, the Constitution-class sure has a bunch of facilities that are a waste of space for a warship.


Military grade weapons and ships, not warships, the intention is a ship that is capable of defending itself, but having the ability to glass a continent in a few min is a bit excessive in that regard, if i were the romulans or klingons i would not trust a damn word starfleet said either

The defiant was not the first warship though, the Reliant class was, then the constitution class, its a heavy cruiser designed to take on the klingons, now STD may want to change this but since its not prime universe its not canon anyway, the Defiant (Defiant class DS9) was designed to take on the borg, but mothballed by starfleet as they became too complacent and the borg did not attack again, however after the dominion war kicked off they refitted most of the fleet and went on a full military standing, so the galaxy class refit, excellsior class refit etc. all were upgunned with type 10 phaser arrays, quantum launchers and heavyier shielding, that is also the promethius class was put into development, the novels post dominion war show what a post war full military style starfleet is like, then the Borg invade en mass.....

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 Formosa wrote:
then the constitution class, its a heavy cruiser designed to take on the klingons, now STD may want to change this but since its not prime universe its not canon anyway


Technically it's not. Only the TV episodes and movies (minus the Animated series which is ambiguous) are canon. The Constitution class being a heavy cruiser designed to fight the Klingon's comes from the FASA RPG game and was never canon. Actually I think the only mention even close to that in canon is in STIII when the Klingon's refer to the Enterprise as a Battle Cruiser, but that could just be how the Klingon's look at the Constitution class. In fact the plaque for the Enterprise identifies it as "Starship Class" XD

   
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 LordofHats wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
then the constitution class, its a heavy cruiser designed to take on the klingons, now STD may want to change this but since its not prime universe its not canon anyway


Technically it's not. Only the TV episodes and movies (minus the Animated series which is ambiguous) are canon. The Constitution class being a heavy cruiser designed to fight the Klingon's comes from the FASA RPG game and was never canon. Actually I think the only mention even close to that in canon is in STIII when the Klingon's refer to the Enterprise as a Battle Cruiser, but that could just be how the Klingon's look at the Constitution class. In fact the plaque for the Enterprise identifies it as "Starship Class" XD


Yeah and when HMS Invincible was built they called it a "through deck cruiser" because they were not allowed to build aircraft carriers.

You could from an alien pov def see the Federation as akin to the East India Company (or the Culture) - they want to meet you, trade with you, work with you..........civilise you. Def get that vibe from the Original series anyway.

The Culture build few warships either - but their "civilan" ships are very very powerful. Same with the Feds.

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 LordofHats wrote:
 Formosa wrote:
then the constitution class, its a heavy cruiser designed to take on the klingons, now STD may want to change this but since its not prime universe its not canon anyway


Technically it's not. Only the TV episodes and movies (minus the Animated series which is ambiguous) are canon. The Constitution class being a heavy cruiser designed to fight the Klingon's comes from the FASA RPG game and was never canon. Actually I think the only mention even close to that in canon is in STIII when the Klingon's refer to the Enterprise as a Battle Cruiser, but that could just be how the Klingon's look at the Constitution class. In fact the plaque for the Enterprise identifies it as "Starship Class" XD



Oooo, not quite, but it was wrath of khan that showed it was a heavy cruiser IIRC, the plaque is starship class, and it's a class 1 heavy cruiser.
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Oh. How interesting.


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 Mr Morden wrote:
You could from an alien pov def see the Federation as akin to the East India Company (or the Culture) - they want to meet you, trade with you, work with you..........civilise you. Def get that vibe from the Original series anyway.

The Culture build few warships either - but their "civilan" ships are very very powerful. Same with the Feds.


It gets brought up in DS9 too. I think it was one of the Maquis characters, accusing the Federation of being "soft" on the Cardassians because the Federation just assumes that eventually everyone will be a member. Martok has a similar line, where he reminds Worf, "we are Klingons. We don't understand other cultures we conquer them" which is a pretty big juxtaposition of how the Federation goes about things.

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Starfleet Wiki

Not a military.


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As for uniforms and ranks?

You’re out in deep space. Part of a crew of over 100. Chances are you don’t really know peeps outside your own section all that well.

When things go wrong, you benefit from a clear chain of command. Same as my place at work. There’s three levels for my role, then Senior, followed by Advisor (same level, different specialisations), then the managers with three levels, Leaders. All in one pod. If something goes awry, I know who to kick the ball to. And we are most definitely a civilian organisation!


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From the Defiant’s wiki?

The ship's backstory is outlined in its first appearance, the third-season episode "The Search". The Defiant is a prototype vessel for the Defiant-class warship, originally developed to counter the Borg threat. It is officially designated as an escort vessel to avoid giving the impression that Starfleet builds warships, as it is primarily a peacekeeping and exploration force. Following the Borg invasion, the United Federation of Planets approved a project committed to enhancing Starfleet's offensive and defensive military capabilities; the Defiant was the end result of that project. According to his statement in the episode "Defiant", Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks) was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built and helped design it during his assignment to the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards.

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Starfleet Wiki

Not a military.


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As for uniforms and ranks?

You’re out in deep space. Part of a crew of over 100. Chances are you don’t really know peeps outside your own section all that well.

When things go wrong, you benefit from a clear chain of command. Same as my place at work. There’s three levels for my role, then Senior, followed by Advisor (same level, different specialisations), then the managers with three levels, Leaders. All in one pod. If something goes awry, I know who to kick the ball to. And we are most definitely a civilian organisation!

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From the Defiant’s wiki?

The ship's backstory is outlined in its first appearance, the third-season episode "The Search". The Defiant is a prototype vessel for the Defiant-class warship, originally developed to counter the Borg threat. It is officially designated as an escort vessel to avoid giving the impression that Starfleet builds warships, as it is primarily a peacekeeping and exploration force. Following the Borg invasion, the United Federation of Planets approved a project committed to enhancing Starfleet's offensive and defensive military capabilities; the Defiant was the end result of that project. According to his statement in the episode "Defiant", Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks) was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built and helped design it during his assignment to the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards.


a service maintained by the United Federation of Planets ("the Federation") as the principal means for conducting deep-space exploration, research, defense, peacekeeping, and diplomacy


The Royal Navy website:
Protecting our nations interest, guardian, diplomat and Humanatarian force for good.


They would probably have added exploration if there was much of the surface ocean left to explore.....and in the olden days thats what they did.

Also Starfleet, unlike most civilian organisations a Starship Captain represents and can make policy and or War as he or she wills, they will have to answer for their actions - but they make the big descions on behalf of the entire Federation.

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Military grade weapons, military grade starships, some designed for war, military rank structure, military training, exclusive use of firearms, military uniforms, military court martials, military bill of rights, military law, military enforcement of federation policy including forced relocation of people i can go on.

In universe they dont consider themselves a military, they consider themselves an exploration force and peacekeepers, but they can think whatever they want, the other alpha quadrant powers know they are a military force and can project that force where needed, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.
   
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Yes, completely non-military. That's why they have a tactical division, and an intelligence branch.

I think your confusing the commentary of viewers as outside observers with the position of in-universe characters. Unless we assume in universe opinions are infallible (oh boy) then there's no reason to take what characters say and think as absolute truth, especially when their outlook clashes with obvious observations.

EDIT: Added quote for clarity.

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 Formosa wrote:
is that reply to me lord?


No. Mad Doc. I think you and I mostly agree on this.

   
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During the Golden Age Of Sail, civilian ships could be found toting cannons.

Why? For protection. To dissuade piracy. Same reason they kept small arms aboard.

Same out in space, when your exploring the unknown.

Does some spod in the street carrying a rifle make them military?

Does a Cruise Ship having a Captain make them Navy? Or an Airline Captain make a 747 part of the RAF? Despite both having uniforms? No. Of course it doesn’t.

All this because someone seems to object to a character being overweight, and demands an ‘in-universe’ reason. Here’s a hint. I’m overweight because I eat too much (my portion control is non-existent) and drink too much beer (10 has been known to be a quiet night. Pints, Mark you). Can’t begin to imagine why Tilly isn’t of svelete, athletic build. Total mystery.

   
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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Starfleet Wiki

Not a military.


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As for uniforms and ranks?

You’re out in deep space. Part of a crew of over 100. Chances are you don’t really know peeps outside your own section all that well.

When things go wrong, you benefit from a clear chain of command. Same as my place at work. There’s three levels for my role, then Senior, followed by Advisor (same level, different specialisations), then the managers with three levels, Leaders. All in one pod. If something goes awry, I know who to kick the ball to. And we are most definitely a civilian organisation!


Automatically Appended Next Post:
From the Defiant’s wiki?

The ship's backstory is outlined in its first appearance, the third-season episode "The Search". The Defiant is a prototype vessel for the Defiant-class warship, originally developed to counter the Borg threat. It is officially designated as an escort vessel to avoid giving the impression that Starfleet builds warships, as it is primarily a peacekeeping and exploration force. Following the Borg invasion, the United Federation of Planets approved a project committed to enhancing Starfleet's offensive and defensive military capabilities; the Defiant was the end result of that project. According to his statement in the episode "Defiant", Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks) was in charge of the shipyard where the Defiant was built and helped design it during his assignment to the Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards.


You're quoting Wikipedia to prove your point? The same Wikipedia that can be edited by ANYONE and is immediately dismissed out of hand as a valid source?

You'd have done better to link to and quote Memory Alpha, but I suspect there might be a reason you didn't.

Formosa wrote:Military grade weapons, military grade starships, some designed for war, military rank structure, military training, exclusive use of firearms, military uniforms, military court martials, military bill of rights, military law, military enforcement of federation policy including forced relocation of people i can go on.

In universe they dont consider themselves a military, they consider themselves an exploration force and peacekeepers, but they can think whatever they want, the other alpha quadrant powers know they are a military force and can project that force where needed, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck.


LordofHats wrote:


Yes, completely non-military. That's why they have a tactical division, and an intelligence branch.

I think your confusing the commentary of viewers as outside observers with the position of in-universe characters. Unless we assume in universe opinions are infallible (oh boy) then there's no reason to take what characters say and think as absolute truth, especially when their outlook clashes with obvious observations.

EDIT: Added quote for clarity.


These two have the right of it. Picard refers to Starfleet as a paramilitary organization in at least one episode.


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Memoryalpha.

Says exactly the same.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet

Wiki simply came up first when I searched ‘Starfleet Charter’

Starfleet. Still not a military.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
During the Golden Age Of Sail, civilian ships could be found toting cannons.

Why? For protection. To dissuade piracy. Same reason they kept small arms aboard.

Same out in space, when your exploring the unknown.

Does some spod in the street carrying a rifle make them military?

Does a Cruise Ship having a Captain make them Navy? Or an Airline Captain make a 747 part of the RAF? Despite both having uniforms? No. Of course it doesn’t.

All this because someone seems to object to a character being overweight, and demands an ‘in-universe’ reason. Here’s a hint. I’m overweight because I eat too much (my portion control is non-existent) and drink too much beer (10 has been known to be a quiet night. Pints, Mark you). Can’t begin to imagine why Tilly isn’t of svelete, athletic build. Total mystery.


And many of those civiilan ships were either heavily restricted or military/traders/privateers - back to the East India Company

Are you really that upset that the Federation is in fact a military by every defination - it just does not consider itself.

I don't object t Tilly being overweight, but why pretend she is some kind of super athlete - thats actually more insulting, there will be a reason for her wieght - genetics, greed, her needy personality etc just like there is the real world. I guess they just wanted a larger woman to be an example or something....but just the one, and we'll pretend that its not issue at all.

As I said - every other character appears to be fit - especially the other cadets on the Command training programme. But of course Tilly is super special.....

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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Memoryalpha.

Says exactly the same.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Starfleet

Wiki simply came up first when I searched ‘Starfleet Charter’

Starfleet. Still not a military.


Starfleet is not a military to starfleet, to everyone else both in and out of universe, its a military.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
All this because someone seems to object to a character being overweight, and demands an ‘in-universe’ reason. Here’s a hint. I’m overweight because I eat too much (my portion control is non-existent) and drink too much beer (10 has been known to be a quiet night. Pints, Mark you). Can’t begin to imagine why Tilly isn’t of svelete, athletic build. Total mystery.


To be fair, in Voyager one crewman was called out by Tuvok for being out of shape and overweight (and was shown to struggle when Tuvok started him on an exercise regime). It's not like it's unheard of that Starfleet has physical requirements, or unreasonable given what Starfleet officers do (do they still have life insurance in the 24th century?).

I find Tilly mostly off putting because she doesn't seem like the kind of person who would fit in with a regimented organization like Starfleet. That's mostly down to her personality though, not strictly her weight.

   
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Oh the tilly thing lol, forgot about that, look i have no issues with it, i have seen absolute bloaters pass PFT somehow, so disgusting fat bodies (FMJ ref) are fine as long as you can pull that lizard body around and do your job, i know first hand, im a fatty and still do my job.
   
 
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