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But I'm sure frost blades will cost a pack of skittles and two-shot Imperial knights. Because Wolf.

 Galef wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:
We really didn't need vikings in space.

But you have to admit, they'd at least be tolerable as Vikings in space as opposed to the Space furries they actually are.

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IDK...Maybe.

It's confusing for me because I actually love wolves. One of my favorite animals. The idea of space marines riding wolves just makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I actually like vikings - a very interesting culture that molded Europe into what it is today. Probably the first European culture to colonize the Americas. Still. UGH!


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Martel732 wrote:
But I'm sure frost blades will cost a pack of skittles and two-shot Imperial knights. Because Wolf.

It will be something like this.

Relic blade (21 points) WTF? +2 Str -3 AP D3 damage.
Frost blade (17 points) +3 str ap-3 d6 damage (every-time you attack with this weapon you get an additional attack)

 Xenomancers wrote:


It's confusing for me because I actually love wolves. One of my favorite animals. The idea of space marines riding wolves just makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I actually like vikings - a very interesting culture that molded Europe into what it is today. Probably the first European culture to colonize the Americas. Still. UGH!

In the days of space ships and tanks, riding any animal feel silly to me. But then everyone in my force wears a helmet, cause they are in a warzone ya know..

Reemule wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:


It's confusing for me because I actually love wolves. One of my favorite animals. The idea of space marines riding wolves just makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit. I actually like vikings - a very interesting culture that molded Europe into what it is today. Probably the first European culture to colonize the Americas. Still. UGH!

In the days of space ships and tanks, riding any animal feel silly to me. But then everyone in my force wears a helmet, cause they are in a warzone ya know..

Same - Even my Gman wears a helmet. I have actually avoided buying armies because their guys don't have helmets.

Martel732 wrote:
I don't care that SW get unique units. I mind that they are almost always the most obnoxious power armor army in the game for arbitrary reasons.

As we can see, unique units that don't function are never used, and so might as well not exist.

That's just incorrect outside your weird bubble.

pm713 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I don't care that SW get unique units. I mind that they are almost always the most obnoxious power armor army in the game for arbitrary reasons.

As we can see, unique units that don't function are never used, and so might as well not exist.

That's just incorrect outside your weird bubble.

No, it really isn't. BA might as well not have SG or DC right now. Because they don't help. In fact, the make your army worse vs just taking more soup.

What was this discussion about

Land Speeders. But someone brought up SW. Way more polarizing than land speeders.

Martel732 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I don't care that SW get unique units. I mind that they are almost always the most obnoxious power armor army in the game for arbitrary reasons.

As we can see, unique units that don't function are never used, and so might as well not exist.

That's just incorrect outside your weird bubble.

No, it really isn't. BA might as well not have SG or DC right now. Because they don't help. In fact, the make your army worse vs just taking more soup.

Well last I checked some people play this game for fun. So they take things like SG and DC for fun. So they're used. Hence you're wrong.

Martel732 wrote:

pm713 wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I don't care that SW get unique units. I mind that they are almost always the most obnoxious power armor army in the game for arbitrary reasons.

As we can see, unique units that don't function are never used, and so might as well not exist.

That's just incorrect outside your weird bubble.

No, it really isn't. BA might as well not have SG or DC right now. Because they don't help. In fact, the make your army worse vs just taking more soup.

My local BA friend who has spend literally thousands of dollars having his BAs pro-painted and consistently uses SG and DC in his lists every single week would vehemently disagree with you.

I get that you are speaking from a purely competitive standpoint based on your local experience and big tourney results, but you have to see that as only a small portion of ACTUAL players. The majority of 40K players play what they like regardless of "meta"
From this viewpoint, BAs and DAs have far more flavor than regular Marines, as those special units absolutely exist and 100% matter.

 p5freak wrote:
What was this discussion about

Martel732 wrote:
Land Speeders. But someone brought up SW. Way more polarizing than land speeders.

Yeah. My thread got high jacked. But It's ok, this is a fun topic too.

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Point is that they are unique but bad, instead of unique and obnoxious.

I would disagree strongly that sg and dc matter at all. They were marginal before the faq and now are straight trash.

From what I can tell there seems to be three different (off-topic) arguments being made.
1. Some chapters get special things and others don't.
2. Some of those special things are far too silly.
3. Some of those special things are overpowered.

Of course all three of those are related, so sometimes it can be hard to tell what specifically people are grumbling about.

Martel732 wrote:
Point is that they are unique but bad, instead of unique and obnoxious.

Could you at least wait till the Wolf codex is released before whining about them being OP?

I don't know what else to add about Land Speeders. They're pretty bad, but then again many different SM units are pretty bad.

 Crimson wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
Point is that they are unique but bad, instead of unique and obnoxious.

Could you at least wait till the Wolf codex is released before whining about them being OP?

It's never too soon, and they've always been op. So i'm just playing the odds.

Martel732 wrote:
Point is that they are unique but bad, instead of unique and obnoxious.

Fair enough.
Another thing I have personally witnessed far too many times is Space wolf players outright not using their rules properly, often to their advantage.
This may be more of a 7E issue, but for some weird reason, I've seen far more Wolves players basically cheat, albeit not on purpose, than other players.
I attribute this to too many snowflake rules causing confusion, but obnoxious nonetheless.

meleti wrote:
I don't know what else to add about Land Speeders. They're pretty bad, but then again many different SM units are pretty bad.

However, it's a cool model and if using Power Level in small games, I expect 1 could be really fun.
Especially using the Hurricane Pattern LS

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 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
From what I can tell there seems to be three different (off-topic) arguments being made.
1. Some chapters get special things and others don't.
2. Some of those special things are far too silly.
3. Some of those special things are overpowered.

Of course all three of those are related, so sometimes it can be hard to tell what specifically people are grumbling about.

Fair assessment. Silly is fine until you get murdered by it for 20 years lol.

Martel732 wrote:
Point is that they are unique but bad, instead of unique and obnoxious.

I would disagree strongly that sg and dc matter at all. They were marginal before the faq and now are straight trash.

Well you can't spout your opinion about Wolves being obnoxious then turn around and pretend your units don't exist because you don't use them.

They exist, they just don't matter. Remember this thread when the SW RAEG happens.

So BA's special stuff doesn't matter because they're bad but SW's special stuff is wrong and needs to go despite the fact that they're also bad. In fact I know at least one BA unit was flat out better than the SW version. Logic.

The 8th ed SW codex has not lost a single game to BAs since 8th ed started!

That's true, but really hard to say with a straight face.

Ok people - can we move the Martel baiting to another thread? I know it's tradition but we are waaay off topic unless you want to compare SW land speeders versus BA land speeders.

I prefer more tactical seating in my landspeeders. The wolfpelts are impossible to clean in between missions on the battlefield. So I'd rather have a BA Landspeeder. Blood milkshakes disgust me, but you can just hose the spills off the faux-leather.

 ChargerIIC wrote:
Ok people - can we move the Martel baiting to another thread? I know it's tradition but we are waaay off topic unless you want to compare SW land speeders versus BA land speeders.

On that topic, I'm disappointed that SW Land Speeders don't have a 4+ BS just to continue the tradition of all shooty SW fast attack units being pointless.

Do units of Land Speeders stay together or get treated as separate units after deployment? I can't remember.

If they stay together they would be one of the few things that Blitza-Bommers would be effective against. I find Bommers dropping bombs on other flyers hilarious, but too weird so I probably wouldn't do it in a friendly game. Of course there's not a high chance of running into Blitza-Bommers or Land Speeders in a competitive game right now.

 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Do units of Land Speeders stay together or get treated as separate units after deployment? I can't remember.

If they stay together they would be one of the few things that Blitza-Bommers would be effective against. I find Bommers dropping bombs on other flyers hilarious, but too weird so I probably wouldn't do it in a friendly game. Of course there's not a high chance of running into Blitza-Bommers or Land Speeders in a competitive game right now.

They stay together.

 Galef wrote:
So I got the kit and am pleasantly surprised at all the options in the kit and just how well it has held up over time. All the chassis pieces fit together perfectly.
So perfectly in fact that I haven't completely glued it together and the sides and top are holding on by themselves with zero gaps.

I just remembered assembling this kit years ago (I've done a lot of commission work over the years) and really don't remember all the options being in the older box, despite being the same model. I also do not remember it being easy to assemble.

Did GW remold Land speeders in the last 5 years?
If so, they did a good job, at least with the box I bought

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Yeah, the missiles are a later addition.

(I'm pretty sure)

The missiles used to be metal, as dud the assault cannon and heavy flamer. They're all integrated into the plastic kit now.

Not great on the table though. Used them once this edition against a guy who told me to take a fun list rather than competetive. I included Land Speeders and Land Raiders, he took two Custodes Telemon dreds. Next time I'll go in with a bit more skepticism.

Love that model Land Speeder model though, old school iconic unit. Bummed that they've removed the double Heavy Flamer and double Heavy Bolter options.

That seems weird. The only reason I can think of for that is that they couldn't be made out of the box...