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**JSG**

Binabik15 wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
meatybtz wrote:
Time to scale up 40K orcs to AoS Iron Jaws. They make better orks than the current ork line of figures which are left overs from gorkamorka.

Same thing that CHAOS MARINES need an update. I already bought AoS Blood Bound in order to make proper scale Chaos Marines rather than the tiny 90s era CSM we currently have. They look much better, sculpt wise than the old CSM too.

Disagree. I bought some Brutes to use as Big'Uns in a Mordheim warband and I've been struggling to make them look decent. The GorkaMorka "leftover" look is classic, and while they're by no means perfect(heck, I bumped everything up by one size - my Boys are made of Nobs bodies) they have something I can't quite put my finger on that the not-Orcs for AoS lack.

Different facial features in the snouts and jaws is one thing. The whole muscle anatomy on the 'Jawz is different, too, with longer, rounder, fuller muscle heads and no "alien sinews" between the heads of the deltoideus and the biceps and triceps and the triceps and its insertion points on the elbow anymore. The Brian Nelson look gave them a strikingly different arm structure with their short and bulging, almost knobby biceps and a overdeveloped proximal triceps brachii getting thinner on the distal parts of its heads and an especially developed caput lateralis plus the mentioned shoulder sinews and the overly long forearms. In comparison Ironjawz have the usual balloning muscles of most GW sculpts with even more mass, less definition - when it comes to fibre bundles - and a less alien structure in the muscles and the overlaying skin. The 'Jawz also have a more upright stance due to a less ape-like pelvis and are not as narrow in the waist.

In other words, where AoS Ironjawz are more styled after a certain Austrian Oak the Nelson style Orks are gnarly like a real oak crossed with a gorilla

From what I can see on the enhanced images the new boss or whatever that is is lacking the shoulder sinews as well. Bummer. Sculpting them isn't hard but you also need matching fibre structure in the surrounding muscles and the Nelson style deltoideus is pretty flat but wide. At that point you might as well shave the upper arm down to bone and resculpt the whole musculature. Or use Nob arms.

The ironjaws look was designed by Brian Nelson as well. IMHO your detailed description gives the old Ork minis way too much credit. It doesn't help that it seems only Nelson himself can sculpt anything that looks good in that style.

**An Actual Englishman**

Has anyone commented on the other vehicle hiding in the background top right of the Shokkjump Dragster?

It's a lot easier to make out on the Youtube videos than the stills. It doesn't stand out as much as the big boss for obvious reasons but it looks new to me. It looks like it uses some parts of the new kits too. Has a pirate-y feel to me, I swear there's a bit that looks a little like a sail. Perhaps it's the Flash Dakka Snazz Wagon or whatever it was called?

**ceorron**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Has anyone commented on the other vehicle hiding in the background top right of the Shokkjump Dragster?

It's a lot easier to make out on the Youtube videos than the stills. It doesn't stand out as much as the big boss for obvious reasons but it looks new to me. It looks like it uses some parts of the new kits too. Has a pirate-y feel to me, I swear there's a bit that looks a little like a sail. Perhaps it's the Flash Dakka Snazz Wagon or whatever it was called?

See picture:

**Tastyfish**

An Actual Englishman wrote:
Right boss speculation time!

I think it's a dead cert the glyph plates are covering a tyre, or pair of tyres of some sort. Whether the 'tyre' also functions as something else is to be revealed but you can clearly see the base right under the glyph plates (but not touching) and I see no other way the vehicle would move forwards without using the tyre as a contact point. It's also coloured black while the chain is clearly metallic so there is an inconsistency there.

Though I'm not convinced the boss Ork is on the same vehicle as the other I don't know what else he could be on? He looks to be big to be straddling a bike in that position. We don't want it to look like he's riding a clown bike (or do we?!). He is certainly close enough to the glyph vehicle to be on it and I think he's too close to warrant a similar vehicle of his own size. Maybe he's on foot and the pic is a red herring?

I could imagine the tyre behind the reel - but at the same time the boss's grappling hook is clearly on a chain and not a black cable. Definitely some odd perspective going on as it looks like there's two symetrical engine covers there - the red upside down jaw things in front of the exhaust.
Looks like an odd wedge shaped vehicle, maybe two big round (smooth) dragster tyres at the back that might just out from the main body rather than being underneath part of the hull.

**Omega-soul**

here you go another sharped image - you can see the left hand and second driver clearly

**MajorWesJanson**

Or the simple answer is that it may be a cable spool used as a wheel, since people were asking g for ramshackle

**Teek**

Is the dress gold and white or blue and black. Yannie or Laurel?

Two slim tires up front, side by side. Take a look at how the studio painted the tires on the yellow dragster: black with very smooth but pronounced grey highlights, going for a very distinct rubber look. I believe these two front tires are painted in the same manner, and that contrast is fueling our confusion.

I hadn’t noticed the huge exhaust before, but it’s a nice spot, and makes me think the back end is larger than we realize, like a lot of ork players have done by looting the sides of smashed rhinos - though I’d be VERY surprised if GW went that route with a stock kit.

And the idea that ole Bruce in the back is actually a second kit behind the vehicle is growing on me. And if that’s the case, and he’s behind a medium+ sized vehicle, then he’s gotta be freaking massive. And though it would be an easy scratch build, I want the Large Glyph tower (in other photos) to be a terrain kit... like DoW style Waaagh towers.

Aaaaaaaand I really want those two jaggy red bits (on either side of Bruce) to be huge squigs!

I relish the suspense, and I am fully onboard the hype train with this release! I’m ready for all the old grognard ork players to come back out of the woodwork and get back to it!

**Tastyfish**

If Bruce is on another vehicle behind the Dragster, then the two 'iron gob exhausts' are from two different kits or they're both part of his very front heavy kit. Pose of the big 'un is a little strange, but with the driver also shooting off to the side, the two are then kind of facing in the same direction.

Could be a chariot I guess, with robosquigs - but it's clearly not a train, hype or otherwise. You've gone blind looking at blurry ork photos!

**Snord**

meatybtz wrote:
Time to scale up 40K orcs to AoS Iron Jaws. They make better orks than the current ork line of figures which are left overs from gorkamorka.

Which Ork models are leftovers from GorkaMorka? The Boyz certainly aren't; GorkaMorka Boyz were tiny by comparison, and had much more human-like proportions. Ironjaws don't make particularly good Boyz, for the reasons explained in a scary level of anatomical detail by another poster.

As for the mystery vehicle(s), I think what looks like a front wheel with white skull glyphs is actually terrain. Judging from the focus, it seems to be in the same position as the other terrain piece. The 'treads' aren't regular enough - you can see it's not even properly circular. I think there is a front wheel with heavy, bronze-coloured forks behind it, and that seems to be part of what looks like a Wartrak. It looks as though the 'boss' model is standing in the back of it, but I agree his angle seems to be wrong. However, if he was behind that vehicle, then he'd be enormous.

**insaniak**

Snord wrote:
Which Ork models are leftovers from GorkaMorka?

The buggy and wartrakk would be the last of them... and the wartrakk may have actually been a 2nd ed 40K release, I don't recall for sure. Other than those, there were a runtherd, mek and doc which I think would have been the last holdouts before all the metals were dumped, but they're long gone now.

**Mymearan**

I am fine with the general style of the Brian Nelson Orks, in fact it looks really good (just look at his absolutely classic Orc Shaman), but the Ork Boyz kit is one of my least favorite GW kits ever. The head-in-chest, squatting-potbellied-gorilla-with-butt-poking-out-look is hideous, and one of the reasons I could never play the army despite thinking about it many times. The Ironjawz on the other hand are one of the designs GW has done in recent years, retaining and indeed enhancing the brutish look but getting rid of the silly anatomy. On the other hand, I Think Brian Nelson sculpted the Ork Boyz as well, so their ugliness might be due to the limits of plastic technology at the time. His metal sculpts don't have anywhere near the same level of gorilla-ness.

**Oguhmek**

I really like the Ork boyz kit, despite the silly gorilla style - individually the may look a bit anatomically weird, but together in a big mob they look great.

Although the Brutes do look great, they are also different, and the faces don’t really match my other Orks, which is why I am using Nob heads.

My favorite Ork sculpts are the Savage Orcs though - they look amazing - they are less gorilla-like than regular boyz, and their faces don’t look as round and fat as the Brutes. There are only 10 models though, with limited poseability, which is a shame.

**Snord**

insaniak wrote:
Snord wrote:
Which Ork models are leftovers from GorkaMorka?

The buggy and wartrakk would be the last of them... and the wartrakk may have actually been a 2nd ed 40K release, I don't recall for sure. Other than those, there were a runtherd, mek and doc which I think would have been the last holdouts before all the metals were dumped, but they're long gone now.

The Warbuggy pre-dates GorkaMorka; it appeared during 2nd Edition WH40k(!). It was sold with some metal add-ons as part of the GorkaMorka range. The Wartrak is from GorkaMorka (hence the look of the gunner). But I think the poster I was responding to was commenting on Orks generally - hence his reference to Ironjaws.

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Mymearan wrote:
I am fine with the general style of the Brian Nelson Orks, in fact it looks really good (just look at his absolutely classic Orc Shaman), but the Ork Boyz kit is one of my least favorite GW kits ever. The head-in-chest, squatting-potbellied-gorilla-with-butt-poking-out-look is hideous, and one of the reasons I could never play the army despite thinking about it many times. The Ironjawz on the other hand are one of the designs GW has done in recent years, retaining and indeed enhancing the brutish look but getting rid of the silly anatomy. On the other hand, I Think Brian Nelson sculpted the Ork Boyz as well, so their ugliness might be due to the limits of plastic technology at the time. His metal sculpts don't have anywhere near the same level of gorilla-ness.

I like Nelson's plastic Boyz. They have a dynamism that goes well with their character. Put them in a group and they look like a bunch of bloodthirsty hoodlums. One reason for their physique was so that the torso would be posable - it was nothing to do with the technology of the time. They were based on hand-sculpted prototypes, while newer Ork/Orcs are CADs (and tend to look a bit flatter and less dynamic). We've lost a lot of that posability in the newer plastics. Another advantage they have over more recent Ork/Orc models is that they are very easy to convert. Try modifying models like the Ironjaws - in fact, try assembling them without following the instructions!

**mortar_crew**

Snord wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Snord wrote:
Which Ork models are leftovers from GorkaMorka?

The buggy and wartrakk would be the last of them... and the wartrakk may have actually been a 2nd ed 40K release, I don't recall for sure. Other than those, there were a runtherd, mek and doc which I think would have been the last holdouts before all the metals were dumped, but they're long gone now.

The Warbuggy pre-dates GorkaMorka; it appeared during 2nd Edition WH40k(!). It was sold with some metal add-ons as part of the GorkaMorka range. The Wartrak is from GorkaMorka (hence the look of the gunner). But I think the poster I was responding to was commenting on Orks generally - hence his reference to Ironjaws.

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Mymearan wrote:
I am fine with the general style of the Brian Nelson Orks, in fact it looks really good (just look at his absolutely classic Orc Shaman), but the Ork Boyz kit is one of my least favorite GW kits ever. The head-in-chest, squatting-potbellied-gorilla-with-butt-poking-out-look is hideous, and one of the reasons I could never play the army despite thinking about it many times. The Ironjawz on the other hand are one of the designs GW has done in recent years, retaining and indeed enhancing the brutish look but getting rid of the silly anatomy. On the other hand, I Think Brian Nelson sculpted the Ork Boyz as well, so their ugliness might be due to the limits of plastic technology at the time. His metal sculpts don't have anywhere near the same level of gorilla-ness.

I like Nelson's plastic Boyz. They have a dynamism that goes well with their character. Put them in a group and they look like a bunch of bloodthirsty hoodlums. One reason for their physique was so that the torso would be posable - it was nothing to do with the technology of the time. They were based on hand-sculpted prototypes, while newer Ork/Orcs are CADs (and tend to look a bit flatter and less dynamic). We've lost a lot of that posability in the newer plastics. Another advantage they have over more recent Ork/Orc models is that they are very easy to convert. Try modifying models like the Ironjaws - in fact, try assembling them without following the instructions!

I Second that. I like the first version of the kit with the separatate shootas even more.
This kit is gold. Even compatible with the WF orcs for conversions.
Impossible with the newer kits.

**Jidmah**

Mymearan wrote:
I am fine with the general style of the Brian Nelson Orks, in fact it looks really good (just look at his absolutely classic Orc Shaman), but the Ork Boyz kit is one of my least favorite GW kits ever. The head-in-chest, squatting-potbellied-gorilla-with-butt-poking-out-look is hideous, and one of the reasons I could never play the army despite thinking about it many times. The Ironjawz on the other hand are one of the designs GW has done in recent years, retaining and indeed enhancing the brutish look but getting rid of the silly anatomy. On the other hand, I Think Brian Nelson sculpted the Ork Boyz as well, so their ugliness might be due to the limits of plastic technology at the time. His metal sculpts don't have anywhere near the same level of gorilla-ness.

I can't find it, but in an interview he once said that his orks were a cross between rugby hooligans and gorillas. Their posture comes actual gorillas standing upright, so the hideous posture is actually 100% natural.

This picture shows two "boxing" gorillas looking a lot like ork boyz.

Spoiler:

Also note that ork boyz are based on the same models as lootaz/burnas, warbikers, battlewagon gunners and the runtherd from the gretchin box. Replacing boyz would mean to replace them all.

**ceorron**

Jidmah wrote:

Also note that ork boyz are based on the same models as lootaz/burnas, warbikers, battlewagon gunners and the runtherd from the gretchin box. Replacing boyz would mean to replace them all.

I don't think that needs to or should happen.

**Jidmah**

I agree. I think the current ork plastic range is full of awesome kits and I wouldn't want to replace a single one of them.

If anything, I would wish for tank bustas and kommandoz also based on boyz.

**PiñaColada**

Jidmah wrote:
I agree. I think the current ork plastic range is full of awesome kits and I wouldn't want to replace a single one of them.

If anything, I would wish for tank bustas and kommandoz also based on boyz.

I have a feeling a fair amount of us are doing that already..

**Jidmah**

Heh, half my tank bustas are runtherds with their grot prods converted into "Zzappy deff guns" as seen in DoW1

**lord_blackfang**

Jidmah wrote:
I agree. I think the current ork plastic range is full of awesome kits and I wouldn't want to replace a single one of them.

If anything, I would wish for tank bustas and kommandoz also based on boyz.

Agreed, and it's the last infantry (dual) kit we need, right?

**MangoMadness**

I heard that Mekboy Bell-Crawl was making Bigga-Mega Orks for the Ork Overlord Urrlak Urruk circa the Great Crusade but he was trapped in his own coffee machine bubble chukker for the last 10,000 years.

The bubble has now burst and now Bigga-Mega Orks have been released to Waaaah in the 41st millenium

**Jidmah**

lord_blackfang wrote:
Jidmah wrote:
I agree. I think the current ork plastic range is full of awesome kits and I wouldn't want to replace a single one of them.

If anything, I would wish for tank bustas and kommandoz also based on boyz.

Agreed, and it's the last infantry (dual) kit we need, right?

Outside of characters yes. Even if you don't limit it to infantry, with the new buggy coming along, the only other non-plastic unit sold is the kopta.

Is it just me or are big gunz gone from the store for good? I checked five countries, they aren't listed anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were index-only with the new codex.

**tneva82**

MangoMadness wrote:
I heard that Mekboy Bell-Crawl was making Bigga-Mega Orks for the Ork Overlord Urrlak Urruk circa the Great Crusade but he was trapped in his own coffee machine bubble chukker for the last 10,000 years.

The bubble has now burst and now Bigga-Mega Orks have been released to Waaaah in the 41st millenium

That sounds just what gw might do.

**H.B.M.C.**

You mean the plastic ones, or the old Kannon/Lobba/Zzap Gun?

**tneva82**

Zzappa etc

**Crimson**

I really hope the orks will move to the Ironjawz style. IMHO, they look muck better. Matter of taste of course.

**JSG**

Crimson wrote:
I really hope the orks will move to the Ironjawz style. IMHO, they look muck better. Matter of taste of course.

I think skarboyz and Ghaz will look more like them. Like the ironjawz they'll be introduced as kinda ur-Orks.

**Mymearan**

Snord wrote:
insaniak wrote:
Snord wrote:
Which Ork models are leftovers from GorkaMorka?

The buggy and wartrakk would be the last of them... and the wartrakk may have actually been a 2nd ed 40K release, I don't recall for sure. Other than those, there were a runtherd, mek and doc which I think would have been the last holdouts before all the metals were dumped, but they're long gone now.

The Warbuggy pre-dates GorkaMorka; it appeared during 2nd Edition WH40k(!). It was sold with some metal add-ons as part of the GorkaMorka range. The Wartrak is from GorkaMorka (hence the look of the gunner). But I think the poster I was responding to was commenting on Orks generally - hence his reference to Ironjaws.

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Mymearan wrote:
I am fine with the general style of the Brian Nelson Orks, in fact it looks really good (just look at his absolutely classic Orc Shaman), but the Ork Boyz kit is one of my least favorite GW kits ever. The head-in-chest, squatting-potbellied-gorilla-with-butt-poking-out-look is hideous, and one of the reasons I could never play the army despite thinking about it many times. The Ironjawz on the other hand are one of the designs GW has done in recent years, retaining and indeed enhancing the brutish look but getting rid of the silly anatomy. On the other hand, I Think Brian Nelson sculpted the Ork Boyz as well, so their ugliness might be due to the limits of plastic technology at the time. His metal sculpts don't have anywhere near the same level of gorilla-ness.

I like Nelson's plastic Boyz. They have a dynamism that goes well with their character. Put them in a group and they look like a bunch of bloodthirsty hoodlums. One reason for their physique was so that the torso would be posable - it was nothing to do with the technology of the time. They were based on hand-sculpted prototypes, while newer Ork/Orcs are CADs (and tend to look a bit flatter and less dynamic). We've lost a lot of that posability in the newer plastics. Another advantage they have over more recent Ork/Orc models is that they are very easy to convert. Try modifying models like the Ironjaws - in fact, try assembling them without following the instructions!

Personally I much prefer less posability if it means better-looking models. Honestly, truly flexible multi-pose models usually look pretty bad, and I'm glad GW has gone towards more dynamic and realistic poses, even if it means we can't twist the torso to the left or right like we used to. If I really want to (and I often do) I can modify any kit I want with a bit of cutting and some green stuff, regardless of the designer's intent. Back in the day it wasn't unusual to create a big regiment of metal models using only 5-10 different poses at most, and converting those was not an easy feat... then they went to plastic multi-pose and the aesthetics suffered heavily. The modern approach is really the best of both Worlds.

**Dread Master**

One of the things the plastic ork/ orc kits suffered from was the parts for the ladz were by a group of designers, that included Brian Nelson, which goes a long way towards explaining the quality of the parts being all over the place. If Brian had sculpted every part for all of the kits, some of the hideous anatomy probably would have been mitigated. But Aly Morrison sculpted quite a bit for those kits and you can pretty much pick out which ones he did just by looking at them.

**Binabik15**

JSG wrote:
Binabik15 wrote:
Yodhrin wrote:
meatybtz wrote:
Time to scale up 40K orcs to AoS Iron Jaws. They make better orks than the current ork line of figures which are left overs from gorkamorka.

Same thing that CHAOS MARINES need an update. I already bought AoS Blood Bound in order to make proper scale Chaos Marines rather than the tiny 90s era CSM we currently have. They look much better, sculpt wise than the old CSM too.

Disagree. I bought some Brutes to use as Big'Uns in a Mordheim warband and I've been struggling to make them look decent. The GorkaMorka "leftover" look is classic, and while they're by no means perfect(heck, I bumped everything up by one size - my Boys are made of Nobs bodies) they have something I can't quite put my finger on that the not-Orcs for AoS lack.

Different facial features in the snouts and jaws is one thing. The whole muscle anatomy on the 'Jawz is different, too, with longer, rounder, fuller muscle heads and no "alien sinews" between the heads of the deltoideus and the biceps and triceps and the triceps and its insertion points on the elbow anymore. The Brian Nelson look gave them a strikingly different arm structure with their short and bulging, almost knobby biceps and a overdeveloped proximal triceps brachii getting thinner on the distal parts of its heads and an especially developed caput lateralis plus the mentioned shoulder sinews and the overly long forearms. In comparison Ironjawz have the usual balloning muscles of most GW sculpts with even more mass, less definition - when it comes to fibre bundles - and a less alien structure in the muscles and the overlaying skin. The 'Jawz also have a more upright stance due to a less ape-like pelvis and are not as narrow in the waist.

In other words, where AoS Ironjawz are more styled after a certain Austrian Oak the Nelson style Orks are gnarly like a real oak crossed with a gorilla

From what I can see on the enhanced images the new boss or whatever that is is lacking the shoulder sinews as well. Bummer. Sculpting them isn't hard but you also need matching fibre structure in the surrounding muscles and the Nelson style deltoideus is pretty flat but wide. At that point you might as well shave the upper arm down to bone and resculpt the whole musculature. Or use Nob arms.

The ironjaws look was designed by Brian Nelson as well. IMHO your detailed description gives the old Ork minis way too much credit. It doesn't help that it seems only Nelson himself can sculpt anything that looks good in that style.

He did? Then my shorthand of calling the 40k stuff Nelson-style makes no sense, of course.

I knew he did the Warboss, so I could've guessed.

I didn't try to say that Ironjawz are inferior or anything, just that the 40k and old fantasy Orks/Orcs have a less human anatomy than the 'Jawz. So IMO mixing them is difficult with the differences, but maybe that's the orthopaedist in me

Is anyone else suddely nostalgic for the current uggo buggy? I said before how it came out the same year I got infected by the GW bug, so it might be just that. But right now there seem to be none to get at domestic ebay and 25€ from GW? Get outta here! Still, it'd look cute next to its flashier new siblings when outfitted with a new gun and crew.