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The wheel on the right has been mentioned as part of a barricade and not connected to the boss vehicle. It's pretty hard to tell, but it could well be part of a barricade as the piece in front of it touches the ground, and that would be bad design even for orks.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
It's the spool from the grappling hook. Draw a flat line under the wheel on the right, it doesn't line up.
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... from this focus, it def looks like the front of a bike ... it could be even a wartrakk (back seems a bit wider)

See, from that focus it looks even more like a cable spool for me!

Thebiggesthat wrote:
See, from that focus it looks even more like a cable spool for me!

Same! Does not look uniform enough to be a wheel. Definitely looks like a reel of cable the way they can bunch a bit to the sides.

crzylgs wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
See, from that focus it looks even more like a cable spool for me!

Same! Does not look uniform enough to be a wheel. Definitely looks like a reel of cable the way they can bunch a bit to the sides.

Honestly, I think you're all mental but we shall see.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Evil Sunz are basically the default ork klan.
Virtually everything is designed for them except Walkers which are usually in Bad Moonz colors.

I don't know about you, but I have Goff staring at me from most boxes I still have around.

Oh you can paint them in any scheme and really only Snakebiters looks weird on the speedy things i just meant the whole "Red go fasta" motto kinda affected the vehicle design rather than being a joke.
Vast majority of my stuff is bad moonz. What little isnt badmoonz is like 8 year old or more evil sunz when i started playing, back before i was any good at painting so theyre getting repainted slowly lol

JSG wrote:

crzylgs wrote:

Thebiggesthat wrote:
See, from that focus it looks even more like a cable spool for me!

Same! Does not look uniform enough to be a wheel. Definitely looks like a reel of cable the way they can bunch a bit to the sides.

Honestly, I think you're all mental but we shall see.

I wouldn't put it past an Ork Mek to use a cable spool as a wheel! To me the "wheel" looks like a cable spool, but the rest also totally looks like the front of a bike (or trike/trakk)

 aracersss wrote:
btw if anyone noticed ... I believe the wheel on the right isn't part of the vehicle ... the white glyph is mirrored on the other side of the double wheel on the left side. If this is correct ... THIS IS A NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE ... REPEAT NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE!!!

I doubt that this is a Warboss on a bike. A Nob, maybe, but not a Warboss.

The wheel with the white glyphs looks more like a spool of cable than a tire so it might also be in front of the vehicle, not part of it.

I noticed that there are two bike style headlights on this model. No current Ork bike has two headlights so unless this is a conversion, I expect we're looking at something new. As you mentioned in your post, the wheel on the side looks to be part of a barrier of some sort, not part of the vehicle itself. I also noticed something that could be tank tracks just above it. Possibly.

The suspicion that the tank tracks are part of the vehicle and the while is not, along with the dual headlights and second Ork behind the driver leads me to believe that this is a new Wartrakk. In fact, barring new evidence to the contrary, I feel pretty confident that it is.

 aracersss wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Oh you can paint them in any scheme and really only Snakebiters looks weird on the speedy things i just meant the whole "Red go fasta" motto kinda affected the vehicle design rather than being a joke.
Vast majority of my stuff is bad moonz. What little isnt badmoonz is like 8 year old or more evil sunz when i started playing, back before i was any good at painting so theyre getting repainted slowly lol

I think I didn't explain it properly. I was referring to the box art of most ork things I bought. Battlwagon, trukks, nobz, boyz, even the old start collecting box all had Goff on them. Since the ork planes most of the art has switched to Evil Suns and Bad Moons, that's true. Probably the one guy fond of painting checkerboards left GW

 Breotan wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
btw if anyone noticed ... I believe the wheel on the right isn't part of the vehicle ... the white glyph is mirrored on the other side of the double wheel on the left side. If this is correct ... THIS IS A NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE ... REPEAT NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE!!!

I doubt that this is a Warboss on a bike. A Nob, maybe, but not a Warboss.

The wheel with the white glyphs looks more like a spool of cable than a tire so it might also be in front of the vehicle, not part of it.

I noticed that there are two bike style headlights on this model. No current Ork bike has two headlights so unless this is a conversion, I expect we're looking at something new. As you mentioned in your post, the wheel on the side looks to be part of a barrier of some sort, not part of the vehicle itself. I also noticed something that could be tank tracks just above it. Possibly.

The suspicion that the tank tracks are part of the vehicle and the while is not, along with the dual headlights and second Ork behind the driver leads me to believe that this is a new Wartrakk. In fact, barring new evidence to the contrary, I feel pretty confident that it is.

Spoiler:

 aracersss wrote:

Honestly, it looks less like a spool of wire and more of a 'batpod' style of front wheel.

There's the two glyphs attached to what looks like the front end of a bike with what looks like two wheels running between the two glyphs.

I don't know if it's just matrixing or something but that's how it looks to me.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
btw if anyone noticed ... I believe the wheel on the right isn't part of the vehicle ... the white glyph is mirrored on the other side of the double wheel on the left side. If this is correct ... THIS IS A NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE ... REPEAT NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE!!!

I doubt that this is a Warboss on a bike. A Nob, maybe, but not a Warboss.

The wheel with the white glyphs looks more like a spool of cable than a tire so it might also be in front of the vehicle, not part of it.

I noticed that there are two bike style headlights on this model. No current Ork bike has two headlights so unless this is a conversion, I expect we're looking at something new. As you mentioned in your post, the wheel on the side looks to be part of a barrier of some sort, not part of the vehicle itself. I also noticed something that could be tank tracks just above it. Possibly.

The suspicion that the tank tracks are part of the vehicle and the while is not, along with the dual headlights and second Ork behind the driver leads me to believe that this is a new Wartrakk. In fact, barring new evidence to the contrary, I feel pretty confident that it is.

Spoiler:

 aracersss wrote:

Honestly, it looks less like a spool of wire and more of a 'batpod' style of front wheel.

There's the two glyphs attached to what looks like the front end of a bike with what looks like two wheels running between the two glyphs.

I don't know if it's just matrixing or something but that's how it looks to me.

It's certainly possible.

Theres an image where it looks like it is holding the handle of a Bike. It still is very blurry though. The models left hand.

timd wrote:

This is the best enhanced image so far, and yes he does look like he is holding a handle bar.

 Breotan wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
btw if anyone noticed ... I believe the wheel on the right isn't part of the vehicle ... the white glyph is mirrored on the other side of the double wheel on the left side. If this is correct ... THIS IS A NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE ... REPEAT NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE!!!

I doubt that this is a Warboss on a bike. A Nob, maybe, but not a Warboss.

The wheel with the white glyphs looks more like a spool of cable than a tire so it might also be in front of the vehicle, not part of it.

I noticed that there are two bike style headlights on this model. No current Ork bike has two headlights so unless this is a conversion, I expect we're looking at something new. As you mentioned in your post, the wheel on the side looks to be part of a barrier of some sort, not part of the vehicle itself. I also noticed something that could be tank tracks just above it. Possibly.

The suspicion that the tank tracks are part of the vehicle and the while is not, along with the dual headlights and second Ork behind the driver leads me to believe that this is a new Wartrakk. In fact, barring new evidence to the contrary, I feel pretty confident that it is.

Could those be hands instead of headlights, kinda looks like a grot head above it? I agree thought it really looks like a new enlarged wartrak.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 aracersss wrote:
btw if anyone noticed ... I believe the wheel on the right isn't part of the vehicle ... the white glyph is mirrored on the other side of the double wheel on the left side. If this is correct ... THIS IS A NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE ... REPEAT NEW WARBOSS ON BIKE!!!

I doubt that this is a Warboss on a bike. A Nob, maybe, but not a Warboss.

The wheel with the white glyphs looks more like a spool of cable than a tire so it might also be in front of the vehicle, not part of it.

I noticed that there are two bike style headlights on this model. No current Ork bike has two headlights so unless this is a conversion, I expect we're looking at something new. As you mentioned in your post, the wheel on the side looks to be part of a barrier of some sort, not part of the vehicle itself. I also noticed something that could be tank tracks just above it. Possibly.

The suspicion that the tank tracks are part of the vehicle and the while is not, along with the dual headlights and second Ork behind the driver leads me to believe that this is a new Wartrakk. In fact, barring new evidence to the contrary, I feel pretty confident that it is.

Could those be hands instead of headlights, kinda looks like a grot head above it? I agree thought it really looks like a new enlarged wartrak.

This model absolutely has twin headlights. Here's a better image with the foreground stuff removed. It looks like an ork boy in front with right hand on handlebar left hand holding something, most likely a shoota of some sort. The Ork in back looks very much like a Nob raising a melee weapon. The old wartrakks had a crew model with a twin-linked big shoota or a skorcha so I'm thinking a melee weapon confirms the model as a Nob. I can't tell if the Nob is holding anything in his left hand or not. The Front wheel is a dual tire setup like the FW resin one had. The rear of the vehicle has a wartrakk and a massive exhaust pipe.

In that previous pick it looks like the big ork/nob is holding a chain to keep himself on the vehicle .

The main issue with the tire/spool of wire is that we can see a dark spot in the upper left side that gives that spool of wire vibe wich can be some metal handlebar to the main body of the vehicle.

I still say it's two distinct models, because I can't see why the big ork would sit on the trakk unit sideways like a lady on horseback, plus there is the matter of the handlebar in his left.

Time to scale up 40K orcs to AoS Iron Jaws. They make better orks than the current ork line of figures which are left overs from gorkamorka.

Same thing that CHAOS MARINES need an update. I already bought AoS Blood Bound in order to make proper scale Chaos Marines rather than the tiny 90s era CSM we currently have. They look much better, sculpt wise than the old CSM too.

A couple of quick takeaways for me.

1, After having had it pointed out I do think that "wheel" is a spool of wire, the irregularities on the left side of the wheel (from our perspective) looks more like wire that hasn't been rolled up properly..

2, The angle the warboss is facing compared to that vehicle is a bit strange and it could be two different models. That would however make the spool of wire less likely since the warboss has some sort of grappling hook which would be a logical complement to it.

3, Some people are noticing what seems to be a handlebar in the warbosses hand but I think that's the wire/chain that he has "rolled up" once before the slack going into the spool.

4, I have no idea why some people are looking at the "warboss" as a nob. That guy is huge, how big would an actual warboss have to be if he's just a nob?

 Lord Perversor wrote:
The main issue with the tire/spool of wire is that we can see a dark spot in the upper left side that gives that spool of wire vibe...

I'm thinking that it's just two tires with treads like these:

PiñaColada wrote:
1, After having had it pointed out I do think that "wheel" is a spool of wire, the irregularities on the left side of the wheel (from our perspective) looks more like wire that hasn't been rolled up properly.

2, The angle the warboss is facing compared to that vehicle is a bit strange and it could be two different models.

Always a possibility. In fact the idea of this being a Warboss on a bike behind the wartrakk is growing on me.

PiñaColada wrote:
3, Some people are noticing what seems to be a handlebar in the warbosses hand but I think that's the wire/chain that he has "rolled up" once before the slack going into the spool.

That's what I'm thinking.

PiñaColada wrote:
4, I have no idea why some people are looking at the "warboss" as a nob. That guy is huge, how big would an actual warboss have to be if he's just a nob?

EDIT: I'm now in agreement with those who say it is a Warboss who is NOT part of the wartrakk kit, but is actually behind the wartrakk.

But if you look at the current warbike kit, one of the bikes is already a half-trakk. I would assume this is just an upscale of that idea since the guy is so large. The whole trike thing falls between a buggy/wartrakk and a bike in my eyes so this might make the warboss on warbike an index only option and instead this guy gets a new datasheet.

If we, for arguments sake, assume this is all one model and it's a warboss this sort of size would translate quite well to a W8/9 model in my eyes. In 40k that wound characteristic is now a sweet spot.

Again, who knows? In either case, we're getting some seriously badass new models

I'm still convinced the green blob at the end of the big ork's left arm is the hand of another ork in front of him, not his hand. His elbow makes no sense even with GW anatomy if that was his hand. The only way it seems to fit together for me is if his left hand is tucked out of sight around his waist.

The thing at the front of the model does look a lot like a spool of wire or chain, but it seems to be in a position which would only really make sense for a wheel.

It's very frustrating trying to figure it out. I hope they reveal the whole thing soon and put me out of my misery!

Klaw arm definitely has a hook of some kind. You can see the chain trailing down, and I’d bet that same chain is in the other hand too.

And I still think it’s a Cable spool, not a front tyre. Looking at it, it wouldn’t come low enough to touch the ground, spesh with the glyph plate where it is.

 Perfect Organism wrote:
I'm still convinced the green blob at the end of the big ork's left arm is the hand of another ork in front of him, not his hand. His elbow makes no sense even with GW anatomy if that was his hand. The only way it seems to fit together for me is if his left hand is tucked out of sight around his waist.

The thing at the front of the model does look a lot like a spool of wire or chain, but it seems to be in a position which would only really make sense for a wheel.

It's very frustrating trying to figure it out. I hope they reveal the whole thing soon and put me out of my misery!

Please forgive my extremely crude trace work but I think this is where the respective models arms' go. The big guys arm looks to have a weird shape because of what I believe is some stuff behind him. The ork boy is holding a gun slightly tilted, out sideways

Don’t be silly guys! It’s clearly a photoshopped image of a weather balloon reflecting the light from the fake moon landing set on Venus through a pocket of methane made from ProCreate™. Wake up, sheeple!

Right boss speculation time!

I think it's a dead cert the glyph plates are covering a tyre, or pair of tyres of some sort. Whether the 'tyre' also functions as something else is to be revealed but you can clearly see the base right under the glyph plates (but not touching) and I see no other way the vehicle would move forwards without using the tyre as a contact point. It's also coloured black while the chain is clearly metallic so there is an inconsistency there.

Though I'm not convinced the boss Ork is on the same vehicle as the other I don't know what else he could be on? He looks to be big to be straddling a bike in that position. We don't want it to look like he's riding a clown bike (or do we?!). He is certainly close enough to the glyph vehicle to be on it and I think he's too close to warrant a similar vehicle of his own size. Maybe he's on foot and the pic is a red herring?

meatybtz wrote:
Time to scale up 40K orcs to AoS Iron Jaws. They make better orks than the current ork line of figures which are left overs from gorkamorka.

Same thing that CHAOS MARINES need an update. I already bought AoS Blood Bound in order to make proper scale Chaos Marines rather than the tiny 90s era CSM we currently have. They look much better, sculpt wise than the old CSM too.

Disagree. I bought some Brutes to use as Big'Uns in a Mordheim warband and I've been struggling to make them look decent. The GorkaMorka "leftover" look is classic, and while they're by no means perfect(heck, I bumped everything up by one size - my Boys are made of Nobs bodies) they have something I can't quite put my finger on that the not-Orcs for AoS lack.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Disagree. I bought some Brutes to use as Big'Uns in a Mordheim warband and I've been struggling to make them look decent. The GorkaMorka "leftover" look is classic, and while they're by no means perfect(heck, I bumped everything up by one size - my Boys are made of Nobs bodies) they have something I can't quite put my finger on that the not-Orcs for AoS lack.

Plus imagine having those either on 25mm bases or trying to fit 200 to the board. Hrrr.

 Yodhrin wrote:

meatybtz wrote:
Time to scale up 40K orcs to AoS Iron Jaws. They make better orks than the current ork line of figures which are left overs from gorkamorka.

Same thing that CHAOS MARINES need an update. I already bought AoS Blood Bound in order to make proper scale Chaos Marines rather than the tiny 90s era CSM we currently have. They look much better, sculpt wise than the old CSM too.

Disagree. I bought some Brutes to use as Big'Uns in a Mordheim warband and I've been struggling to make them look decent. The GorkaMorka "leftover" look is classic, and while they're by no means perfect(heck, I bumped everything up by one size - my Boys are made of Nobs bodies) they have something I can't quite put my finger on that the not-Orcs for AoS lack.

Different facial features in the snouts and jaws is one thing. The whole muscle anatomy on the 'Jawz is different, too, with longer, rounder, fuller muscle heads and no "alien sinews" between the heads of the deltoideus and the biceps and triceps and the triceps and its insertion points on the elbow anymore. The Brian Nelson look gave them a strikingly different arm structure with their short and bulging, almost knobby biceps and a overdeveloped proximal triceps brachii getting thinner on the distal parts of its heads and an especially developed caput lateralis plus the mentioned shoulder sinews and the overly long forearms. In comparison Ironjawz have the usual balloning muscles of most GW sculpts with even more mass, less definition - when it comes to fibre bundles - and a less alien structure in the muscles and the overlaying skin. The 'Jawz also have a more upright stance due to a less ape-like pelvis and are not as narrow in the waist.

In other words, where AoS Ironjawz are more styled after a certain Austrian Oak the Nelson style Orks are gnarly like a real oak crossed with a gorilla

From what I can see on the enhanced images the new boss or whatever that is is lacking the shoulder sinews as well. Bummer. Sculpting them isn't hard but you also need matching fibre structure in the surrounding muscles and the Nelson style deltoideus is pretty flat but wide. At that point you might as well shave the upper arm down to bone and resculpt the whole musculature. Or use Nob arms.