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One other thing the French guys said is that there are no bad units in the Codex ... don't know what that means for competitive players though.

How anyone can justify paying 920pts (does this even include weapons) for a stompa is beyond me. Especially seen as the titan weapons of the blades are like 400-500pts and can take down your stompa in 1 turn.


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 nflagey wrote:
One other thing the French guys said is that there are no bad units in the Codex ... don't know what that means for competitive players though.

They say this every time... i never believe them... only thing that might save it for me is that everything else got a huge 25% price cut.

if anyone were to run a stompa, i think the two best clans for it is either bad moons or snakebites.

Reroll 1's to hit with MOAR DAKKA! is ok. But we have yet to find out what their clan stratagem is, if it is the rumoured shoot again ability that would be actually alright. However that boosted DDD could very well be the bad moon stratagem...

Snakebites gives you a bit of extra mileage from your stompa, with an average 6 additional saves throughout the course of the stompas 40 wounds down to 0. You could of course roll more 6+++ or get unlucky and never roll a single 6 but you are also healing D3 wounds on a 2+ as well so you may get more chances to roll those 6's.

The main part of running snakebites for it is once again the Monster Hunters stratagem. getting +1 to wound vs knights, daemon primarchs, tyranid gun beasts/hive tyrants and heavy vehicles like PBC for example is so damn good. Suddenly those dethkannon shots wound anything short of a Walord titan on a 2+. The supa gatler will be wounding most vehicles and daemon primarchs on 2's and the heavier vehicles like knights on 3's and then its big shootas and skorchas on 4's. (havent included the supa rokkit, you get the picture).

Then not only does it affect your stompa but you can fire sluggas, shootas to plink more wounds off on a 5+, big shoota and other str 5/6 weapons on 4's.

I just find that so efficent. Its veterans of the long wars but on a big gribbily you want dead on you whole army for that chosen phase!!!

 TedNugent wrote:

gungo wrote:
Goff is the go to for boy spam w extra hits and skarboys (higher star)
Badmoons is the KMK units
Evil suns or boodaxes will be the core of lost peoples armies depending on what they plan on using..

Remember zhardsnark is still evil suns....

The 2 main questions I have is the trikeboss a vehicle of biker keyword

This is important because a painboy on bike with lukky stick (Goff) gives FNP to bikers...and the lukky stick makes the painboy klaw finally good with a nice aura.

And what’s the price of bikers/nob bikers because bloodaxe bikers might be good again. Especially nob bikers if priced right with BCs.

Characters on a bike other than zhad won't exist. Per KiriothTV.

Also per the same, blood axes may shoot and charge the turn they fell back.

we all know they are not in the codex... but the index is still fair game and relics stil work

I think the It would be cool if the Stompa was 920 points and worth every bit. Like it could just be murder machine from top to bottom.

 Galas wrote:
Only GW could take a horrible mode like the Stompa, give it buffs and make it even more expensive.

GW, if something is really, really bad, you make it cheaper or give it buffs. If you give it buffs and then make it more expensive is like you didn't did anything, unless the buffs are so big the increase in price is deserved.
I doubt it. 920 points. Half an army. I can't see a Stompa being worth that.

It would be really unfortunate. Unless it has some other big buffs there is just no way it can do anything useful. I feel like they would have mentioned that along with the 6 attacks. Even with a KFF on it...just not viable.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Stompa is still over 900pts?
ugh...better have buffed the crap out of it. 40hp sounds like a lot but thats still not that tough to take down when its pretty much the only big thing to fire all the high damage guns at.

Also why is it always French leaks anyway? ive noticed that across ALL the games i play...its always a french leak lol

Or until you realize knight is about as tough with 5++ anyway.

I can only conclude gw plays in enviroment where lascannons shoot at infantry and heavybolters at vehicles.

But yeah guess i transfer model purchaces to AT instead.

Psychocouac wrote:

crzylgs wrote:

And then the gun stops working because that's how GW 'balance' Orks. Fun. Right?

Seriously though, I can't see how it can have enough Dakka to justify 920 points. When currently its not worth even half of that.

The gatling can be either terribad or awesome, it's really total random with the PDB rule but the deffkanon is great and won't stop shooting no?

So with stratagem a shooting phase on the Stompa is:

3D6 gatling shots exploding 5 exploding 6 reroll 1 for bad moons and sees if the gun fire again or not. If it fire again there is still exploding 5 and 6 and reroll 1.

1D6 suppa rokket exploding 5 & 6 reroll 1.

3D6 deffkanon exploding 5 & 6 reroll 1.

We clearly won't be to the damage output of a raven castellan don't make me wrong but it doesn't seem bad either. The thing seems tankier. Close combat is good too but it depend on the health remaining cause the last table is WS6+ and 3A... I don't know it needs testing i think.

If I understand this correctly - there is a stratagem that makes DakkaDakkaDakka trigger on 5s instead of 6s? If so, that will be incredible (in general).

Obi_wang wrote:
I think the It would be cool if the Stompa was 920 points and worth every bit. Like it could just be murder machine from top to bottom.

A) doesn'' look like it is worth it
B) stompa is orks knight equilavent. Not warhound. It shouldn't be 1000 pts model. It's one ork war machine you should be able to take multiples like knights

*sigh* death skulls tomorrow

I hope there's something in there aside from 6++ and the "snazzwagon" to make them worth painting everything that admittedly fantastic color scheme.

tneva82 wrote:

Obi_wang wrote:
I think the It would be cool if the Stompa was 920 points and worth every bit. Like it could just be murder machine from top to bottom.

A) doesn'' look like it is worth it
B) stompa is orks knight equilavent. Not warhound. It shouldn't be 1000 pts model. It's one ork war machine you should be able to take multiples like knights

I'm not trying to say it is, but saying it could be cool if there was a model that cost 900 points and was worth it.

At least make such modei be one that should be around that price rather than one such as stompa where squadron of them should be possible.

 TedNugent wrote:
*sigh* death skulls tomorrow

I hope there's something in there aside from 6++ and the "snazzwagon" to make them worth painting everything that admittedly fantastic color scheme.

Shocker would be a looted wagon strategem!!!
I’m not even sure how they could make that work lol

gungo wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
*sigh* death skulls tomorrow

I hope there's something in there aside from 6++ and the "snazzwagon" to make them worth painting everything that admittedly fantastic color scheme.

Shocker would be a looted wagon strategem!!!
I’m not even sure how they could make that work lol

I sure would be nice but the Blood Axes would ask for it also!
Looted/traded wagon that is.

I would be a happy camper If i could use this nice looted rhino
kit from FW here and there...

I don't know how that would work...You suddenly get to play with somebody else's model? I've run into some folk that could get a little tetchy with that....

 JimOnMars wrote:
I don't know how that would work...You suddenly get to play with somebody else's model? I've run into some folk that could get a little tetchy with that....

No; it stops being their model when you take it.

 JimOnMars wrote:
I don't know how that would work...You suddenly get to play with somebody else's model? I've run into some folk that could get a little tetchy with that....

Rather changes stats of your existing model. Or would be entry in codex with mandatory cp usage which would be silly

I definitelly don't agree about Stompa being on the knight level. Have you seen the damn thing? It's about twice as big, so the price is also about twice as big. It could be worth it at about 650-700 points with the current stats. Then it'd be comparable to a Castellan(without 3++ ofc). However it might get a cool "add +1 to hit rolls for ORK unit" stratagem or something and might go off the rails, we don't know yet.

Size!=power. Stompa has always been squadronable swarm unit more comparable to land raider than warhound. It only got to this level in latest go when it became thing in 40k where designers mixed up stompa with mekboy gargant which is ork equilavent to warhound.

A good thing is that the billowing exhaust fumes stratagem is for all orks, not just Evil sunz. Same goes for the speedwaagh. I'm still waiting for the Bad moons stratagem to be reveal, otherwise its probably goffs that i'm most excited.

Got my SpeedFreeks box!! If anybody wants info, just ask.

Here is a comment on the size of the sprues. Yes, the sprues are big ... they are twice the size of a "regular one" (e.g. a warbiker one). On the red buggy, it seems like it could easily be split in two parts however and there is a flash mark right in the middle. On the yellow buggy, it's a bit more tricky, but not impossible to have it on 2 regular sprues.

Here is another one on customization: it seems impossible to switch parts without some work. Nothing too difficult I imagine, by looking at the sprues. The assembly book shows no options at all, except for the warbikers of course. The datacards don't show any options either for the two buggies.

Points: PL6 for the Shokkjump Dragstas (up to 3 per squadron), PL5 for the Kustom Boosta-Blastas (up to 3 per squadron).

 nflagey wrote:
Got my SpeedFreeks box!! If anybody wants info, just ask.

Here is a comment on the size of the sprues. Yes, the sprues are big ... they are twice the size of a "regular one" (e.g. a warbiker one). On the red buggy, it seems like it could easily be split in two parts however and there is a flash mark right in the middle. On the yellow buggy, it's a bit more tricky, but not impossible to have it on 2 regular sprues.

Here is another one on customization: it seems impossible to switch parts without some work. Nothing too difficult I imagine, by looking at the sprues. The assembly book shows no options at all, except for the warbikers of course. The datacards don't show any options either for the two buggies.

Points: PL6 for the Shokkjump Dragstas (up to 3 per squadron), PL5 for the Kustom Boosta-Blastas (up to 3 per squadron).

What's your opinion on the terrain? A lot of people have stated that it's amazing but doesn't come across well on camera

Terrain is good. Six big pieces, with lots of diversity on them: tires, pieces of dakkajet/trukk/wagon, tools, ork symbols, imperial symbol, lightbulbs dangling in the wind, ...

They fill 2 regular sprues, to give you an idea of the size.

Three pieces have to be put flat, while the other three are on their side, if you see what I mean.


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The driver of the red buggy is definitely a cybork by the way.
We could see his spine (kind of necron-like) on some pictures already. Both arms also show mechanical parts.

Another general comment: it's weird to see sprues in brown, red, and yellow (first time for me). The yellow one is really giving me a sense of lack of details (just an impression of course)

 Spreelock wrote:
A good thing is that the billowing exhaust fumes stratagem is for all orks, not just Evil sunz. Same goes for the speedwaagh. I'm still waiting for the Bad moons stratagem to be reveal, otherwise its probably goffs that i'm most excited.

Problem is it's speed freak only and triggered at the start of movement phase so in terms of usability it's inferior to rotate ion shield which already is dubious use except when fielding lone knight as ally. Problem will be that a) vehicles will be 1 model units which aren't really that super units you would want to definitely protect one specific b) enemy can simply skip it and shoot another. As there's no "protect this one at all cost" like castellan with knights it's not even much of a hindrance for enemy...

Pretty much custom made for units of 12 bikes. Though doesn't look those got enough boost that they would be worth it even for this. Now if battlewagon gets speed freak tag...

Another case of non-scalability of strategems kicking orks in the teeth. Ork army building style and strategems don't really synergy when orks works by overloading enemy with target saturation while strategems work by buffing one unit. Exact opposite styles...

If the points are as stated by the French war game studio I have a few concerns.

The stompa looks vastly overcosted unless it has some stats and abilities that we haven't seen. I'm sure we''ve seen the rule for PDB by the way, it was in a preview and allows the gun to fire again on a 2+. I'm still not seeing almost 1k pts of value.

The buggies are also too expensive and their costing makes little sense. The KBB at 5 PL is more expensive in points than the SJD at 6 PL? What?

110 pts is usable for the SJD but its hardly efficient. 120 for the KBB is too expensive. The Squig Buggy will be the worst selling of the buggies I suspect because its far too expensive.

I wonder if bikes have had the substantial price reduction they needed. It wasn't mentioned in the Evil Sunz article so I'm not sure.

Well, I was considering it for nobz on bikes, to make them more resilient. Yeah, it is definately good if battlewagon gets speed freak keyword.

 Spreelock wrote:
Well, I was considering it for nobz on bikes, to make them more resilient. Yeah, it is definately good if battlewagon gets speed freak keyword.

I think it was stated somewhere which all the units with keywords speedfreeks were. I think it's just the new buggies, bikes and deffkoptas. Not planes, trukks nor battlewagons. Maybe it was answered on facebook or something, I honestly don't remember right now

I hope bikers will be viable. I could see them getting a constant -1 to hit because of all the dust and exhaust fumes. Just like the admech dragoons. They used to have constant cover because of this a few editions ago.

PiñaColada wrote:

 Spreelock wrote:
Well, I was considering it for nobz on bikes, to make them more resilient. Yeah, it is definately good if battlewagon gets speed freak keyword.

I think it was stated somewhere which all the units with keywords speedfreeks were. I think it's just the new buggies, bikes and deffkoptas. Not planes, trukks nor battlewagons. Maybe it was answered on facebook or something, I honestly don't remember right now

Correct. They stated in the comments that the article named all the units with the Speed Freeks tag - bikes, koptas and the new buggies. Not planes, trukks or bwagons.

By the way, I saw someone here ask about Looted Wagons.

The French guys talked about them briefly and said they were not in the Codex. I guess this is not really a surprise.

Psychocouac, tu confirmes?