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BrianDavion wrote:
...frankly 40k likely wouldn't have taken off if anyone could add anything they wanted to 40k when they wanted. it'd make 40k an incoherant mess.

*cough* star wars lore *cough*

Goodbye FW, Hello China.

Not sure how us in the UK have been screwed over BCB. It's business as usual for us. Man I feel sorry for anyone not in the UK though, FW prices were already eye watering. It will however level itself out if the £ starts strengthening against other currencies. I'm pretty sure the £ is currently near a low not seen since WW 2 vs. the US$.

phillv85 wrote:
Not sure how us in the UK have been screwed over BCB. It's business as usual for us. Man I feel sorry for anyone not in the UK though, FW prices were already eye watering. It will however level itself out if the £ starts strengthening against other currencies. I'm pretty sure the £ is currently near a low not seen since WW 2 vs. the US$.

No need to feel sorry for all outside UK. For me if I were to buy a spartan now cost went up half a beer. Shock horror. I think I can live without half a glass of beer(0.25l) when buying something as expensive as spartan. Even on worst scenario it's not end of the world price hike and main GW has had lot bigger ones in the past yet they keep selling so anybody claiming FW sales are going to 0 are just flat out wrong. Hell this move is just putting FW pricing structure same to GW prime which makes me suspect it could be order from higher up's. FW's aren't in full control of their company as they have higher up's who can order them around.

Lot depend on how you bought FW stuff before but for euro users this varies from about 9% price hike to price drop.

Not to mention this improved their biggest market(UK). Maybe FW figured that boost in UK sales and about similar with maybe drop on EU is still more profitable even with US/australia sales dropping. Assuming FW even had any choise in the matter.

Lot depend on how you bought FW stuff before but for euro users this varies from about 9% price hike to price drop.

It really dosent. Just checked the Hierophant. I bought mine for €270 inc shipping a few years back.
Hes now €330.
Im in Ireland. Hardly the other side of the world from Nottingham.

 Ratius wrote:

Lot depend on how you bought FW stuff before but for euro users this varies from about 9% price hike to price drop.

It really dosent. Just checked the Hierophant. I bought mine for €270 inc shipping a few years back.
Hes now €330.
Im in Ireland. Hardly the other side of the world from Nottingham.

Yes you can pull in examples. You just hit on the worst case. Ie free shipping. Without that we get into "oh bohoo spartan went up by 3€". That's btw fairly accurate difference in price I calculated on yesterday's conversion rates. Didn't go for cents and go for 2.xx€ so just put in 3€ or half the beer.

So yes it does. Did you buy 250£+ at once or not? Depending on that you get price hike, about equal or even price drop. Yes this system can actually result in price DROPS depending on how you bought the models.

And yes this does suck especially for US&Australia but GW has been hell bent on screwing those in prices for years so hardly a big news. But claiming this will kill FW sales are "bit" exaggerated. GW sales in US are doing pretty well despite being screwed by same pricing structure for years.

Ah just let us have an auld moan in peace tyvm!

I don't think anybody is saying this will kill Forgeworld, what they are saying is if enough people are pissed off enough to spend less with them, then this will hit their sales and they may reconsider.
I would however say that I don't think anything from Forgeworld has ever decreased in price (aside perhaps due to currency conversion fluctuations)

Nothing new for me, since Switzerland is outside of their comfort delivery zone we allready payed alot more for shipping.
Bonus points for tripple taxes and tarrifs.
Stuff ended up costing 50% more then the properly converted rate.

Whilst I'm a lover of tin-foil hat* theorys I think "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" covers this latest faux pas from your new consumer friendly Geedubs

But on the upside means folks might being investigating other manufacturers (legit or otherwise

*also never make a tin foil hat it just makes it easier for the mind probes get a decent signal

I just posted this in another thread but they announced on warhammer community site that they are opening a new warehouse / distribution centre in Memphis. Maybe they are clearing stock before this happens.

Call my chinaman! Tell him he's a rich man!

 nurgle86 wrote:
I just posted this in another thread but they announced on warhammer community site that they are opening a new warehouse / distribution centre in Memphis. Maybe they are clearing stock before this happens.

Would make more sense to lower prices then, no?

I've gone through everything I've ordered from them. Everything is the same price I paid.

Example would be my chaos knight, in January I paid $203 shipped. Now it's listed at $210 shipped. The Heresy Marie's and kalibrax autoguns are also the same price I paid months ago. The leviathan was $118 with arms shipped a month ago, now it's $125 shipped. So, I dont think it's boycott worthy but that's just me.

A buddy of mine brought up a good point. He thinks that the stuff that didn't get a price hike is to make up for the cost of spinning ultra popular kits with not as popular kits with them. As it seems that only the really big things and select popular models got anything significant price wise.

Hurt them with your wallet and send POLITE emails saying you won't be purchasing anything from them anymore and move on with your day.

If the community were serious and wanted to react together, they'd actually ban Forgeworld from large events as a protest. This would at least make the powers that be open their eyes and see repurcussions. However, will never happen as the community really doesn't mind getting gouged that much, as long as they can still win.

 bullyboy wrote:
If the community were serious and wanted to react together, they'd actually ban Forgeworld from large events as a protest. This would at least make the powers that be open their eyes and see repurcussions. However, will never happen as the community really doesn't mind getting gouged that much, as long as they can still win.

Given that the core GW lines have had similarly ridiculous price hikes at multiple points in the past decade, moreso even, this would be rather silly.

More to the point, for people who already own FW stuff, theyre not likely to be happy about told they cant use it.

Vote with your wallet, far more effective.

 bullyboy wrote:
If the community were serious and wanted to react together, they'd actually ban Forgeworld from large events as a protest. This would at least make the powers that be open their eyes and see repurcussions. However, will never happen as the community really doesn't mind getting gouged that much, as long as they can still win.

That wouldn't happen in a proper tournament setting as nothing would be banned for monetary reasons. From what I understand very little Forgeworld stuff gets used in large events anyway so it wouldn't really hurt their sales outside of convincing some casual players with plans to break into the tournament scene not to buy. The only way there'll be change is if enough people just don't buy it. Even then it could take years to see any real change. People in Australia have been paying insanely inflated prices on things for years as is though. There'll be outrage at first but then the playerbase in the US will just get used to it eventually and it'll be things as usual. There'll be some people who'll continue to go on about it over time but the majority of people will just get over it and tell everyone complaining to shut up.

It's crummy, but its a kind of crummy that apparently we're only going to care about in regards to Forgeworld? Just pricing a few things out the new US FW prices are about the same hike over the UK FW prices that US GW main line product prices are over UK GW prices.

Don't take this as an endorsement for the change. I'm in no way happy about it. I'm just saying that it's pretty silly to bring out the torch and pitchforks for this egregious price hike and happily pay the other.

This price hike has guaranteed I will not buy anything from FW.

The Peltasts upgrade is £23, converted to 38 Cad, 47 on FW. There's a decent amount of stuff I wanted but now I'll never buy it haha

Boycott! I actually thought GW had gotten so much better. Did Kirby just take over Forgeworld now?

masterhobo wrote:
They also made it so you have to spend more to get free shipping
Before it was £250 to qualify for free shipping which is ~$330
But now you have to pay $400 to get free shipping

It makes me mad because they say this is better because we no longer have to pay the 15% for shipping. Instead they force a 20%-40% price increase on us AND we still have to pay for shipping.

This pretty much sums up the reactions of people at my lgs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

I sent them an email.

While I applaud the effort to get a warehouse in the US and make things simpler the other changes you have made priced me out of the market. I am sympathetic to the fact that adding a warehouse will add significant cost to your business, however, you have dug too deeply to recover this cost. For example: Then - $60 for a dreadnought body + 15% shipping = $69 Now - $73 for a dreadnought body + $10 shipping = $83 A 20% increase. Then - ~$330 for product to get free shipping Now - $400 for product, which is the old equivalent amount of product when we paid $330. We now pay $70 more for the *same* amount of product. I urge you to reconsider some of your pricing and shipping policies as I fear this will have a large impact on more customers than myself - and I am not low income by any stretch of the imagination. Sincerely, Darren

If there's anything that's just insane about this is the lack of any real savings in shipping.

 IronBrand wrote:
That wouldn't happen in a proper tournament setting as nothing would be banned for monetary reasons.

Don't know how long you've been around, but various tournaments have banned a lot of things for a lot of reasons. The big 'pro' tournaments? Not so much, but the ones most people will attend have banned stuff for far less. It's not like there wasn't practically a 'ban' on Forge World nearly everywhere in the US for a long time- and it's still enforced by some.

 IronBrand wrote:
From what I understand very little Forgeworld stuff gets used in large events anyway so it wouldn't really hurt their sales outside of convincing some casual players with plans to break into the tournament scene not to buy.

Quite a few kits I've seen with Forge World components in tournaments.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

 IronBrand wrote:
That wouldn't happen in a proper tournament setting as nothing would be banned for monetary reasons.

Don't know how long you've been around, but various tournaments have banned a lot of things for a lot of reasons. The big 'pro' tournaments? Not so much, but the ones most people will attend have banned stuff for far less. It's not like there wasn't practically a 'ban' on Forge World nearly everywhere in the US for a long time- and it's still enforced by some.

 IronBrand wrote:
From what I understand very little Forgeworld stuff gets used in large events anyway so it wouldn't really hurt their sales outside of convincing some casual players with plans to break into the tournament scene not to buy.

Quite a few kits I've seen with Forge World components in tournaments.

I could've done a better job clarifying what I meant by "proper" tournaments. I meant the larger more organised tournaments. Not ones along the lines of the local level ones that are run by one guy who is also a competitor.

Yeh, this has probably finally pushed me from ever ordering from forgeworld again.

 IronBrand wrote:
I could've done a better job clarifying what I meant by "proper" tournaments. I meant the larger more organised tournaments. Not ones along the lines of the local level ones that are run by one guy who is also a competitor.

You could have said 'Pro Level'.

And I don't mean just tiny podunk ones. I mean larger ones, even- with 40-100+ players.

"Sorry, guy- that Commissar is a third party model with GW Bolt Pistol on it, gonna have to DQ you"

 LunarSol wrote:
It's crummy, but its a kind of crummy that apparently we're only going to care about in regards to Forgeworld? Just pricing a few things out the new US FW prices are about the same hike over the UK FW prices that US GW main line product prices are over UK GW prices.

Don't take this as an endorsement for the change. I'm in no way happy about it. I'm just saying that it's pretty silly to bring out the torch and pitchforks for this egregious price hike and happily pay the other.

People complain about GW's regional pricing all the time. Every few weeks someone posts a thread with "did gw just double the price of all their kits?", only to find out they were accidentally on the Australian site.

One key difference is there are many ways to get core GW items at a discount - retailers will sometimes have sales (I got Silver Tower for 100 bucks after tax at a local shop awhile back), online stores often will be at the full 15% off cap that GW has put in place (and you generally don't need to pay tax if the retailer is in a different state, which for me saves an extra 8-9%), Ebay often has stuff up at a discount and does big coupons every 1-3 months. Forge World, on the other hand, has none of that - you have to buy it straight from their webstore/con table with no discount + tax. Legit FW items occasionally pop up on ebay, but not nearly as often (unless you count recasters).

On a sidenote, here in the US, tax is not automatically included in product prices, and while I can understand why to an extent, it annoys me to no end. When I see a price, I want to go "this is the price", not "ok, this is the price, now I need to add X% to it"


And yeah, I do see that their plan was mostly to just keep the prices consistent with their internal exchange rates, but when the consumer sees that most kits have a drastic price increase, they get a bit disgruntled. If they had used a more modest conversion rate for existing stock - like something close to the current conversions rounded up to the nearest dollar, or even five dollar mark, and then used their standard rates for all new kits, there'd be grumbling sure, but not nearly as much as they are getting right now.

I've never bought anything from FW before and most certainly won't now. They priced themselves out of the market and made a horrible PR move with this.

Goodbye FW, Hello China.

These are the real winners here. There is a significant chunk of folks who used to purchase FW products who will now purchase 3rd party or recasts. The actual good news from this is we may see more Manufacturers of good stand in models. Things like the Dreamforge Knights, or the Alternative Primarchs.


There are FW products I want, but not enough to pay a 30percent FUA (FrakyouAmerica) tax. People can justify this all they want. If they are fine with flushing their money down the toilet it doesn't bother me, its not my money. But I don't need to pay for GW to get extra bonus income from me.