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schoon wrote: The rules for AT are solid - much more maneuver warfare than most other GW games.
If they made a mistake - IMO - it's the model release schedule.
You really need to play with a full titan maniple to take full advantage of the tactics involved, and unless you're willing to proxy, you won't be able to do that till the Warhounds come out in October (?).
true this. if you are very rules strict, you cant play narrative or matched games yet cuz they require maniples, and 1 of 3 maniples can at the earliest be made in 1 1/2 weeks.
i get that drip feeding is GWs new thing but it should not be for AT, it should be full maniple model releases with alt weapons.
this game wont be fully playable until moust likely end of october.
2 of 3 is you play Legio Gryphonicus.
I think the reason GW did it was so that people could absorb the sticker shock instead of having three cheap kits dropped then then $110 model dropped.
The biggest models also sell the least so having them apart of the GME means they are moved quicker and people get to see big stompy robots which, let's be honest here, is a HUGE "Ohhhh what's that" factor compared to smaller stompy robots.
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Strg Alt wrote: For christ´s sake 230 Euros are 460 DM! No one is going to spend such a high sum of money for a game. And I am very glad that nobody bought in because it shows that people still have some sense left.
Read your entire post, can I now say you are still demonstrably wrong?
See the issue is you are looking at sticker price, while that is a good idea to judge things it's only one piece of the pie here.
Value is another. In USD I know I am getting a free Warlord titan plus some in a GME set. A. Free. $110. Model
Mind you, you speak of "imposing" that's nice and all but the Warlord was a hell of a lot of fun to build and looks far better to me than those knights. The knights are just... Boring.
You cannot argue over taste. You don´t like the Knights and had tons of fun building the Titan. That´s fine. I am happy for you that you enjoy the hobby and support one of GW´s specialist games despite the costs. If we are lucky we might even see Gargants & Phantom Titans in the future.
I dont understand what you mean by costs. I have a tournament capable army for $350 usd. Can you have a tournament ready army in 40k for that?
Hell I could EASILY ditch the GME box, grab a Reaver pack coming out next week, a rules pack, and when the warhounds come out two sets of those and likely spend LESS than a GME box. . . That would STILL give me a tournament ready army with a lot of built in fun and design. Hmmm Might need the warhound cards and the Venator terminal pack so over a GME in the end and yet. . . far more than enough to play the game.
The warlords were a blast. More pieces per model than the Knights, amazing detail, and a breeze to paint.
You are barking up the wrong tree here. I don´t go to tournaments and still play 2nd 40K with two characters, three squads, a Rhino and a Dreadnought. This takes usually only 90 min and not 4h like many people try to make you believe on the interwebz.
The problem in my area is that specialist games are rarely played. I did a ton of BB & Necromunda demo games in the past but only one guy agreed to participate in a N17 campaign. The rest plays religiously 40K and spend ridiculously amounts of money to expand their force. They see the price tag on the AT box and are instanly turned off. In addition, these people are also accustomed to 8th 40K rules and would get a brain stroke, if they tried to understand how AT works.
More pieces than a Knight? I like to paint but not to build.
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General Helstrom wrote: I also find it interesting that people who don't like the game seem to be very angry about all the money they're not spending on it. Is this what the proletariat does all day?
It seems like it's a case of "I didn't buy it, so please let it be a bust!" for what reason I don't know.
Bought the GME and will be adding a few reavers and some more knights as well as more terrain the coming months.
I bought it because i love the scale and the idea of commanding huge machines. Dont care its not compatible with 40k since i hate that game.
AT is the most fun ive had with a GW game since i played Warmaster many years ago and imo the best game they have atm, even with the limited range right now.
in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
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I own the GME, and have been playing Epic for most of my life. It is my favorite scale of any table top game I have played.
I have some issues with the size of the new models (being too big), but the detail of the models themselves is pretty amazing.
I said some time ago if GW doesn't expand this to include marines and vehicles like SM1, then this game will collect dust on the shelves a year from now. No one is going to play a game over and over again that involves so few models, that's just the reality.
I think you can pin interest like this:
Hardcore Epic fans bought, none core fans didn't.
The price was a hard swallow, and kicked some people aside.
If you stick to Imperial models only, you'll lose some existing fans.
If you don't include Xenos, you'll prob miss out on some newer fans.
If GW doesn't follow up with 'Epic' units within a year or so, you'll lose a bunch of existing fans.
I think this game has to grow to become more successful. People will need to see that to make this kind of investment. There is only so much you can do with so few models. You want to encourage people to collect and build armies. I hope GW understands this, and if they dig their heels in and refuse to make it Epic, no one is going to care about this game a year from now.
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in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
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Have not bought the game. Have not played the game. It's a little too expensive to dabble in. And, I do sincerely hope the gameplay is all that and more. I'm all for more good games. But, truth is, I have yet to build two 40K Knights from the new Renegade box ( a true killer deal!), and also two Forgebane Amigers awaiting the painting table. If I do give AT a go, I'll look at adapting it to those models. Bringing Knight's to a Knight Fight is one of my fantasies. Besides, the concept of Knights jousting somewhere in no man's land makes more sense to me than Titans fighting duels on an otherwise unoccupied battlefield. But, that's not behind my decision to sit this one out (which I rarely do).
The scale of AT is wrong. Warlords should be Armiger size, not almost as big and as expensive as Knights. It should not be a major purchasing and building project to field six Warlords between the two sides. Warhounds should be 40K Terminator size. Knights don't belong in a titan fight. The intermediate scale is betwixt and between. Too large to be practical, and should not inevitably compare with 40K Knights. But, its not small enough in scale to convey the impression these are grand Godmachines rampaging across a battlefield they absolutely dominate. At the "right scale," they would have had me,. Again, I hope its a great game, and does well. Maybe someday I'll eat a hearty helping of crow, and dive right in.
Lysenis wrote: In USD I know I am getting a free Warlord titan plus some in a GME set. A. Free. $110. Model.
THIS is what I mean by saying, NOT buying the GME was starting to make me feel like a chump. I was initially angry because of sticker shock and no one in my group was going to buy it either. But the GME has great value, it's just getting over the initial emptional reaction against that price.
in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
Why do I need to name a GW product that gives 100 pieces for £6??
I never mentioned GW.
You're not very attentive.
I didn't get the GME but I will be buying it piecemeal. It's much more palatable as its not such a huge initial investment. And I can get stuff painted as I buy.
It looks really good, I personally think the GME was a bit over priced - the savings were easy to pass on since the buy in was so high.
I gotta admit I'm a little surprised at some of the vitriol I see for a game that by all accounts seems not only well written but also appears to have excedeed gw's expectations in terms sales. I know they were playing it safe with the small production run but as has been mentioned (many... many times!) the price for the gme box was a shock to a lot of people. (not really sure why? I'd budgeted for it to be around £250 before I heard we were getting a warlord for free. I mean look at gw's prices there were no surprises here.)
One of the few valid bits of criticism I've seen is that the game should have come with reavers instead of warlords to make it a little more affordable which is a fair point. But I'm more than happy with my two warlords. Plus the box seems like it was made with a view to those that would split the box with a friend.
But anyways to answer the OP's question I got the GME and a Civitas sector since this game looks like it'll work better with decent amount of terrain, and I got it because I've always been a big fan of epic, also the more i heard about the rules the more interesting it sounded and once I got to see a few of the models the deal was sealed.
Sasquatch wrote: I gotta admit I'm a little surprised at some of the vitriol I see for a game that by all accounts seems not only well written but also appears to have excedeed gw's expectations in terms sales. I know they were playing it safe with the small production run but as has been mentioned (many... many times!) the price for the gme box was a shock to a lot of people. (not really sure why? I'd budgeted for it to be around £250 before I heard we were getting a warlord for free. I mean look at gw's prices there were no surprises here.)
One of the few valid bits of criticism I've seen is that the game should have come with reavers instead of warlords to make it a little more affordable which is a fair point. But I'm more than happy with my two warlords. Plus the box seems like it was made with a view to those that would split the box with a friend.
But anyways to answer the OP's question I got the GME and a Civitas sector since this game looks like it'll work better with decent amount of terrain, and I got it because I've always been a big fan of epic, also the more i heard about the rules the more interesting it sounded and once I got to see a few of the models the deal was sealed.
A lot of the Vitriol, it seems, has it's roots as anger over the price, a "rargh GW priced me out of this game!" mentality. It almost seems to me that people seemed to expect that on account of the models not being usable in 40k, even as cultist proxies, GW owed it to them to have a cheaper price when, economics, sadly, tells us the exact oppisite is likely true. There's also the lack of epic from the start which has some people mad and I think shifting to epic would be a good way to kill two birds with one stone as presumably a land raider squadron would be a cheaper entrypoint. Although me myself I like the tighter rules a titan focus allows. There's also the useal "what about Xenos" crowd. although the cold and bitter truth is even if Xenos had been planned from day one there would have been a wait.
but basicly the Vitriol boils down to "this game isn't right for me at the moment so it should be right for no one" Personally as a "big stompy robot" guy I couldn't be happier with the game. and am eager to see what the future brings.
although yeah I maintain my statement, we NEED a starter set with reavers or even warhounds to keep the entry elvel, price down. Maybe for christmas GW should release a "Venator Princips" pack, that includes 1 reaver box and 1 warhound box. toss in a venator command terminal, and price it at 150 bucks and you've got a great starting point.
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Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
KTG17 wrote: I own the GME, and have been playing Epic for most of my life. It is my favorite scale of any table top game I have played.
I have some issues with the size of the new models (being too big), but the detail of the models themselves is pretty amazing.
I said some time ago if GW doesn't expand this to include marines and vehicles like SM1, then this game will collect dust on the shelves a year from now. No one is going to play a game over and over again that involves so few models, that's just the reality.
I think you can pin interest like this:
Hardcore Epic fans bought, none core fans didn't.
The price was a hard swallow, and kicked some people aside.
If you stick to Imperial models only, you'll lose some existing fans.
If you don't include Xenos, you'll prob miss out on some newer fans.
If GW doesn't follow up with 'Epic' units within a year or so, you'll lose a bunch of existing fans.
I think this game has to grow to become more successful. People will need to see that to make this kind of investment. There is only so much you can do with so few models. You want to encourage people to collect and build armies. I hope GW understands this, and if they dig their heels in and refuse to make it Epic, no one is going to care about this game a year from now.
That´s the way I see it too. Space Marine/Epic was great in the 90s. So GW, you know what to do:
I do wanna BTW disagree that people won't play a game with so few models, niot everyone needs a million models on the table to play a game. unless you mean model varity, and that's an issue yes for a host of reasons.
Given the maniples out there, right now, the most titans I could see myself needing is 3 Warlords, 4 Reavers, and 4 Warhounds, this is eneugh to deploy any maniple in the rules, and to subsitue a few reavers into the mix if I'm feeling like playing legio Gryphonicus and utilizing their ability to swap in Reavers.
now titans are big titcket items sure, but that's a pretty reachable goal. I mean I've already got 2 warlords, to keep the bucks flowing in we'll definatly need more stuff, and upgrade sprues likely won't do it. FW's been layering in mention of other titans for awhile now so it's clear thats one avenue of upgrade, there's a LOT of room for oddball machines if they wanna work with it. For example, a reaver sized titan, with only arm mounted weapons but more speed might be well received as a melee specialist design, I could see some sort of warhound sized titan thats slower with a carapiece weapin as a "light battler titan" finding a place in peoples armies. Beyond those, Xenos titans seem a logical step, as Orks and Eldar would be a whole new range that people'd collect. There's a fair bit of room to expand without going to epic. I think Epic will come simply because it's clear there is an intreast in games at this SCALE, but for some people the cost of a titan is a bit much. GW's 40k practices suggests that there is very much a desire to ensure people can enter the game easier
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Epic(or, more likely, Space Marine) is at least two years away if it comes at all.
You've got several additional Knight chassis(Cerastus and Acastus from the FW range, Castellan and maybe eventually Armiger from GW's new kits), and the possibility to provide resin "upgrade packs" with the Mechanicum-flavoured carapace, head, and weapon options.
You've got the new variant Titans they plan to "spin off" from the old specialised named loadouts for the core three, plus all the new ones they've been name-dropping in the HH series.
You've got the possibility they brought up of doing "precursor" versions of things like the Subjugator.
And of course potential Chaos expansions(both carapace and weapon packs for the existing chassis, and proper daemon engines) and three plausible(assuming they stick with Knights & Titans only) Xenos factions as well.
At three or four releases a year they could milk that list for a long time without needing to go for Epic. I very much hope they do of course, both in terms of adding a limited selection of stuff to AT in a similar manner to Knight Banners, and eventually with a full additional game system more focused on the giant battle side of things, but I don't think they'd actually be forced to at any point, they could comfortably extract a complete and profitable "life-cycle" out of AT with just Knights & Titans.
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Yodhrin wrote: Epic(or, more likely, Space Marine) is at least two years away if it comes at all.
You've got several additional Knight chassis(Cerastus and Acastus from the FW range, Castellan and maybe eventually Armiger from GW's new kits), and the possibility to provide resin "upgrade packs" with the Mechanicum-flavoured carapace, head, and weapon options.
You've got the new variant Titans they plan to "spin off" from the old specialised named loadouts for the core three, plus all the new ones they've been name-dropping in the HH series.
You've got the possibility they brought up of doing "precursor" versions of things like the Subjugator.
And of course potential Chaos expansions(both carapace and weapon packs for the existing chassis, and proper daemon engines) and three plausible(assuming they stick with Knights & Titans only) Xenos factions as well.
At three or four releases a year they could milk that list for a long time without needing to go for Epic. I very much hope they do of course, both in terms of adding a limited selection of stuff to AT in a similar manner to Knight Banners, and eventually with a full additional game system more focused on the giant battle side of things, but I don't think they'd actually be forced to at any point, they could comfortably extract a complete and profitable "life-cycle" out of AT with just Knights & Titans.
yeah I think the only reason why they'd "need" to go epic IMHO is to open this scale up to an easier entry point. One thing a lotta people might be missing BTW are team games. If I have a warlord, you have a reaver, a buddy has a pair of warhounds? we;ve got a maniple among us and could play vs another 3 man group with a similer set up. this method of play isn't very common in 40k, but games similer to AT (such as Btech) you see it not infrequently
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
Why do I need to name a GW product that gives 100 pieces for £6??
I never mentioned GW.
You're not very attentive.
Ah, so you are talking 3rd party. Then we can't expect the quality or scope of release.
I am very attentive. You can't produce a GW model at 100 pieces for £6. Hell any you did would have to be utter crap because they can't even pay themselves on that unoess they are selling thousands consistently.
Yodhrin wrote: Epic(or, more likely, Space Marine) is at least two years away if it comes at all.
You've got several additional Knight chassis(Cerastus and Acastus from the FW range, Castellan and maybe eventually Armiger from GW's new kits), and the possibility to provide resin "upgrade packs" with the Mechanicum-flavoured carapace, head, and weapon options.
You've got the new variant Titans they plan to "spin off" from the old specialised named loadouts for the core three, plus all the new ones they've been name-dropping in the HH series.
You've got the possibility they brought up of doing "precursor" versions of things like the Subjugator.
And of course potential Chaos expansions(both carapace and weapon packs for the existing chassis, and proper daemon engines) and three plausible(assuming they stick with Knights & Titans only) Xenos factions as well.
At three or four releases a year they could milk that list for a long time without needing to go for Epic. I very much hope they do of course, both in terms of adding a limited selection of stuff to AT in a similar manner to Knight Banners, and eventually with a full additional game system more focused on the giant battle side of things, but I don't think they'd actually be forced to at any point, they could comfortably extract a complete and profitable "life-cycle" out of AT with just Knights & Titans.
yeah I think the only reason why they'd "need" to go epic IMHO is to open this scale up to an easier entry point. One thing a lotta people might be missing BTW are team games. If I have a warlord, you have a reaver, a buddy has a pair of warhounds? we;ve got a maniple among us and could play vs another 3 man group with a similer set up. this method of play isn't very common in 40k, but games similer to AT (such as Btech) you see it not infrequently
Not really. Epic is an eventualll byproduct of AT which is good but they don't need it to be easier to get into. That happens in October with the Warhound drop. At that point you can start playing the game for about $195ish at minimum points and another $75ish opens up far more possibilities for 1250 and that's without knights
The game is not expensive to get into you just need to get over the sticker shock of the base box. It's not a starter set. It's the "here is 85% of what you need to play" set
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in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
Why do I need to name a GW product that gives 100 pieces for £6??
I never mentioned GW.
You're not very attentive.
Ah, so you are talking 3rd party. Then we can't expect the quality or scope of release.
I am very attentive. You can't produce a GW model at 100 pieces for £6. Hell any you did would have to be utter crap because they can't even pay themselves on that unoess they are selling thousands consistently.
You are not very smart are you? I mean you come on here and rag on a game you know next to nothing about, you come from some odd place of superiority you don't have. So boring
He is talking about historical games, not GW. He is one of those people who feel it is necessary to go on threads about GW to tell everyone how much they suck and how they don't play them anymore.
in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
Why do I need to name a GW product that gives 100 pieces for £6??
I never mentioned GW.
You're not very attentive.
Ah, so you are talking 3rd party. Then we can't expect the quality or scope of release.
I am very attentive. You can't produce a GW model at 100 pieces for £6. Hell any you did would have to be utter crap because they can't even pay themselves on that unoess they are selling thousands consistently.
You are not very smart are you? I mean you come on here and rag on a game you know next to nothing about, you come from some odd place of superiority you don't have. So boring
He is talking about historical games, not GW. He is one of those people who feel it is necessary to go on threads about GW to tell everyone how much they suck and how they don't play them anymore.
In other words he's trying to justify his decision by convincing others to agree with him,
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
Believe me your wallet will thank you for it, if you do.
Not really. The conversion rate today is totally off. 230€ used to be 450 Mark, but the world has moved on, it's been almost 18 years since we got the Euro.
If I converted my net household income into Mark and ignored completely what happened in the last 18 years, yeah that would have been a kingly number and at 1999's prices it would have been a very nice living that might have made me shop around for a Jacuzzi ... Turns out that that isn't much money nowadays.
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in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
Why do I need to name a GW product that gives 100 pieces for £6??
I never mentioned GW.
You're not very attentive.
Ah, so you are talking 3rd party. Then we can't expect the quality or scope of release.
I am very attentive. You can't produce a GW model at 100 pieces for £6. Hell any you did would have to be utter crap because they can't even pay themselves on that unoess they are selling thousands consistently.
You are not very smart are you? I mean you come on here and rag on a game you know next to nothing about, you come from some odd place of superiority you don't have. So boring
He is talking about historical games, not GW. He is one of those people who feel it is necessary to go on threads about GW to tell everyone how much they suck and how they don't play them anymore.
In other words he's trying to justify his decision by convincing others to agree with him,
So basically it's false equivalency. Got it.
Meh, boring. I have played At, played dozens of other games, including several various slnaval style games (my favorite types) and the rules are crunchy enough and well enough written that I expect them to last for years easily.
in what form? Weapons? Meh. Instead of making it a near 200 piece kit costing as much as a single 40k Knight they split the weapons sprue off.
Meanwhile in the real world of proper wargaming you can buy kits for £18 with 6 variations to choose from...
Or sprues of 100 pieces for £6...
Ridiculous.
Care to actually list an example of a single model near that size? Come now, name a GW product that gives you 100 pieces of something for £6 on a single model in high quality injection mould plastic at msrp
I shall wait with bated breath.
Why do I need to name a GW product that gives 100 pieces for £6??
I never mentioned GW.
You're not very attentive.
Ah, so you are talking 3rd party. Then we can't expect the quality or scope of release.
I am very attentive. You can't produce a GW model at 100 pieces for £6. Hell any you did would have to be utter crap because they can't even pay themselves on that unoess they are selling thousands consistently.
You are not very smart are you? I mean you come on here and rag on a game you know next to nothing about, you come from some odd place of superiority you don't have. So boring
He is talking about historical games, not GW. He is one of those people who feel it is necessary to go on threads about GW to tell everyone how much they suck and how they don't play them anymore.
In other words he's trying to justify his decision by convincing others to agree with him,
So basically it's false equivalency. Got it.
Meh, boring. I have played At, played dozens of other games, including several various slnaval style games (my favorite types) and the rules are crunchy enough and well enough written that I expect them to last for years easily.
adeptus titanicus reminds me a lot of battletech, and that games been kicking for 30+ odd years now.
Opinions are not facts please don't confuse the two
It's a really neat idea for a game and all, but I need another game like I need a hole in my head. I know in my local area the game has picked up no steam at all, so that doesn't help.
I think it probably would have helped locally if GW had released more than just the Warlord and Knights at initial release (and the Warlord not having any weapon options in the box is pretty insane). If GW ever release a proper starter box for the game (Rules, a couple reavers and some warhounds or something for around 150$) I might be willing to give it a try.
Not to say GME was a bad deal, just with my current games taking up a lot of my time, no local scene, and the boxed set cost of entry, I will just leave it to those who are very passionate about it.
It's almost as if it might be a Specialist Game aimed at more involved hobbyists...
Yes, it is expensive. I saved up for it as soon as it was announced. I am very happy with what I got for my money.
Hardcore Epic fans bought, none core fans didn't.
The price was a hard swallow, and kicked some people aside.
If you stick to Imperial models only, you'll lose some existing fans.
If you don't include Xenos, you'll prob miss out on some newer fans.
If GW doesn't follow up with 'Epic' units within a year or so, you'll lose a bunch of existing fans.
Not sure I agree with this.
I am neither of the first
Not that high compared to an actual 40k army. Just a lot at one time.
This disregards realities of business AND the internal flexibility of the lists
Once again, realities of business.
More people who buy the more this is likely. Even then likely only Imperial to start since creating 5 factions at one time would be expensive.
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Sabotage! wrote: It's a really neat idea for a game and all, but I need another game like I need a hole in my head. I know in my local area the game has picked up no steam at all, so that doesn't help.
I think it probably would have helped locally if GW had released more than just the Warlord and Knights at initial release (and the Warlord not having any weapon options in the box is pretty insane). If GW ever release a proper starter box for the game (Rules, a couple reavers and some warhounds or something for around 150$) I might be willing to give it a try.
Not to say GME was a bad deal, just with my current games taking up a lot of my time, no local scene, and the boxed set cost of entry, I will just leave it to those who are very passionate about it.
Like any brand new game if there is no one showing it off there will be no interest. People tend to pick things up a couple of ways. They see it at a Con and buy in they see it played at a store and buy in and RARELY people see it on a shelf and then buy in.
The first two are the most common with the second happening more than the others. Its how I get people into games.
Wait a week. The fact that the Reavers are coming out 3 weeks after release is important and people are ignoring this bit. Due to the initial costs of the game it was smart that GW did not release everything at once. In fact they waited for people to get a new paycheck. Its one of their smartest decisions I think so far.
For the Warlord , adding in another full sprue of weapon options would of make the box as expensive as a standard 40k Knight. Sorry but that would of made cost to entry FAR higher. Make up your mind. Complete game or reasonable costs
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