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He then returned some time later and asked me with a sad face whether all his marines were dead. I told him yes. He then wanted to know how that happened. I told him that our game was on the a moon without air and that any hit roll of six would cause an air leak and immediately kill the model, while pointing to my shoota boyz. He packed up and then complained to his kid friends how the orks had murdered all his blood angels on the moon and how they wouldn't have stood a chance on Earth.

Hahaha, terrific stuff.

 backlash13 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.

UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.

Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?

the_scotsman wrote:

 backlash13 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.

UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.

Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?

I may have misremembered this story

 backlash13 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 backlash13 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.

UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.

Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?

I may have misremembered this story

"no, see, that's a 9..."

"you've got the book upside down."

the_scotsman wrote:

 backlash13 wrote:

the_scotsman wrote:

 backlash13 wrote:

HuskyWarhammer wrote:
Oh, so many things...
-People who don't know the rules and feel cheated when you follow them (e.g., I had a friend who thought piling in wasn't a real part of melee and became upset). I mean, we all forget or make mistakes, but there's a certain level of base game knowledge that's necessary.

UGH! It's even worse when it is something that penalises them. Had to kindly point out a few times to different people that the wording is "more than 9 inches away", so no your scions cant rapid fire me, or claim the pick the highest damage for melta guns.

Did you also point out that you have to be within 6" for melta range..?

I may have misremembered this story

"no, see, that's a 9..."

"you've got the book upside down."

Honestly....some of the players at my store, could be possible.
Ended up being the "bad guy" for trying to tell them that yes....a -1 to hit on a plasma overcharging means a roll of a 2 kills the bearer. Oooh man, they weren't happy

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

I agree, but theres a difference in terms of losing and getting curb stomped. I can lose but if I get list tailored and tabled turn 2, im not gonna be happy. Had a game in 7th...I play orks ( so you know this story is going downhill already) He put the triple demolisher formation on the table knowing I had brought orks that day. Another guy asked specifically to play against me and my orks. He asked me to bring a stompa so he could put the Tau KX139 on the board. I already knew that thing was OP and I refused the game only to have him get upset and pissy. If you asked to play against Orks in 7th, you knew something was up...TFG.

Recently went to an X-Wing tourney, a sort of send off for proper X-Wing. Brought my dual Phantom list, Buzzsaw Whisper and RecSpec Echo, no blocker. Proudly displayed my list while waiting for the thing to begin. No one else had written a list yet...

Funny that the other three guys (X-Wing is very dead) decided to play "fun" lists with Harpoon & GC spam...

"Oh sorry man, Phantoms aren't very good anymore huh?"

Well... Maybe if I wasn't hard countered all day by tailored lists you'd know why Phantoms were once considered broken.

Not sad to see X-Wing go, really. When I ran the club you had to have your list in the day before the event to prevent this very thing.

In truth, everyone annoys me, all the time. I'm not really sure why I enjoy playing these games but I do. Perhaps to remind myself why I settle for a very simple work-sleep-work-hobby routine...


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Lol, one guy even tried to get me to take a blocker! Actually told me I wouldn't stand a chance without an Academy TIE!

I'm like, dude, have you ever flown this list? Do you think one Academy TIE is going to somehow save me from multiple Harpoon barrages?

Just to give some perspective here, I got into the top 50 at regionals two years ago with almost the exact same list, having never flown it before. Having never even been to a tournament of that scale before! And top 50 out of 100 or so players is pretty damned good for a rookie playing a high skill list. So it ain't like I didn't know what I was doing!

But alas, I should have known better than to assemble my ships before the event...

Oh well. X-Wing rant off.

So you tried to take something extremely broken and complained that your opponent's didn't take fun lists to deal with it? I don't like list tailoring at all but that one sounds a little like a two way street....

Here's a new one.

Me, my five friends working on creating a narrative Kill-Team campaign. We meet up one afternoon at the FLGS to grab some stuff. We're deliberately playing fast and loose with the rules to create a story, just to make things fun and interesting.

In comes 'the guy' that can't understand this simple concept of 'playing for fun', because he's a net-listing game-breaker that gloats about his 'win' as if it required more skill than Google and disposable income.

He asks what we're doing when we're sitting down and writing out some notes and rolling up some names. I didn't have the proper hand signals for "Do not tell this guy anything he will ruin it". No, really- this guy can't even play D&D without being competitive with the party. He's the type of guy that GM's to kill the party and brags about it.

One of our group tells him we're meeting at a place and playing this narrative campaign. The rest of us are staring at our friend like he's just given a convicted felon the keys to all of our houses and a list of all of our valuables.

Ever wanted to take one of your friends out back, and with tears streaking down your face, tell him to just look at the flowers? I have. If you understand that reference, you'll know what I mean.

Well, it's too late. Competitive dude shows up and starts trying to dictate what the Narrative SHOULD be. And what his army SHOULD have. What the rest of us SHOULD be limited to. And what terrain we SHOULD buy.

He's not even brought a few sodas or beers and he's eating half of our snacks and trying to tell us how our campaign should run. That he's contributed nothing to, other than his models.

So, I decide it's time to be a jerk.

Rule number one is that all Specialists must be and must be modeled or converted in such a way that they stand out from a standard unit of the same type. They must be unique.

He's displeased at this, and starts trying to- I kid you not- convince us to not even use specialists at all. He doesn't want to start chopping up his models or building new things, he wants to use the same Imperial Guard models he's had for 10 years. He doesn't even like the idea of painting the edge of their base a different color.

At this point, everyone is just like, "Okay, either you're playing here as a guest with us in our campaign or you can go somewhere else and play it your way, these are the requirements we agreed to before you came to play."

This took place a week or so ago.

I step into the FLGS today for some paint and terrain, and the first words out of someone else's mouth: "What's this I'm hearing from [COMPETITIVE GUY] that you and [friends] are telling people they have to give you models and pay to play on your table at your house?"

Moral of the story- house games are for friends. Leave the chaff and the social liabilities at the FLGS.

The local gaming community I find is as catty as highschool girls. Plenty of people (including the store owner) talk crap about a couple players (not going into specifics because it'd just turn into a rant), but when I actually meet and play with the other people, they're totally fine.

'That guy' is in the eye of the beholder in my experience.

That being said Doritos, that guy sounds like a royal dorkbag.

AD, that player sounds fething TERRIBLE.

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
Here's a new one.

Me, my five friends working on creating a narrative Kill-Team campaign. We meet up one afternoon at the FLGS to grab some stuff. We're deliberately playing fast and loose with the rules to create a story, just to make things fun and interesting.

In comes 'the guy' that can't understand this simple concept of 'playing for fun', because he's a net-listing game-breaker that gloats about his 'win' as if it required more skill than Google and disposable income.

He asks what we're doing when we're sitting down and writing out some notes and rolling up some names. I didn't have the proper hand signals for "Do not tell this guy anything he will ruin it". No, really- this guy can't even play D&D without being competitive with the party. He's the type of guy that GM's to kill the party and brags about it.

One of our group tells him we're meeting at a place and playing this narrative campaign. The rest of us are staring at our friend like he's just given a convicted felon the keys to all of our houses and a list of all of our valuables.

Ever wanted to take one of your friends out back, and with tears streaking down your face, tell him to just look at the flowers? I have. If you understand that reference, you'll know what I mean.

Well, it's too late. Competitive dude shows up and starts trying to dictate what the Narrative SHOULD be. And what his army SHOULD have. What the rest of us SHOULD be limited to. And what terrain we SHOULD buy.

He's not even brought a few sodas or beers and he's eating half of our snacks and trying to tell us how our campaign should run. That he's contributed nothing to, other than his models.

So, I decide it's time to be a jerk.

Rule number one is that all Specialists must be and must be modeled or converted in such a way that they stand out from a standard unit of the same type. They must be unique.

He's displeased at this, and starts trying to- I kid you not- convince us to not even use specialists at all. He doesn't want to start chopping up his models or building new things, he wants to use the same Imperial Guard models he's had for 10 years. He doesn't even like the idea of painting the edge of their base a different color.

At this point, everyone is just like, "Okay, either you're playing here as a guest with us in our campaign or you can go somewhere else and play it your way, these are the requirements we agreed to before you came to play."

This took place a week or so ago.

I step into the FLGS today for some paint and terrain, and the first words out of someone else's mouth: "What's this I'm hearing from [COMPETITIVE GUY] that you and [friends] are telling people they have to give you models and pay to play on your table at your house?"

Moral of the story- house games are for friends. Leave the chaff and the social liabilities at the FLGS.

I was initially going to say that winning at a competitive level does take more skill than Googling a list, but then I listened to the story and realised that it sounds like that's probably all that guy has the intelligence for.

What. A. dill weed.

Especially love the B.S.ing about you behind your back after you guys gave him a chance to come along out of courtesy and he did everything he could to trash it.

One of my favorite parts of DakkaDakka is seeing what creative ways people can think up substituting real swear words

 SHUPPET wrote:
So you tried to take something extremely broken and complained that your opponent's didn't take fun lists to deal with it? I don't like list tailoring at all but that one sounds a little like a two way street....

Extremely broken? I am just going to laugh at that. Have you ever flown Dual Phantoms? I'm guessing you've only heard about them from salty old FlyCas grognards who were pissed their Fat Han finally had a counter.

It has been a long damn time since Dual Phantoms were anything but a fun, swingy list that was either going melt faces or die instantly.

You take that list, at 84 points, to ANY tournament and then tell me they are 'extremely broken' and I'll show you a liar.

 SHUPPET wrote:
I was initially going to say that winning at a competitive level does take more skill than Googling a list, but then I listened to the story and realised that it sounds like that's probably all that guy has the intelligence for.

And I would 100% agree, in cases where it is several competitive players. But when you are THE only competitive player around most of the time, Google and Chinacast models are easy-win.

 SHUPPET wrote:
Especially love the B.S.ing about you behind your back after you guys gave him a chance to come along out of courtesy and he did everything he could to trash it.

Yeah, and this is why we have EXTREMELY strict protocol about who plays. We move the tables from house to house, and since my place has 3 bedrooms and me by my lonesome, the master bedroom is a great gaming room (why use a big room like that when all I need in a bedroom is a bed and a nightstand, right?). The fact that I set up a kegerator and tap it with my own money and don't ask a dime, and that this dude came over and didn't offer anything to the group was a slap in my face. Then afterward he smeared us.

If this was the FLGS I part-timed at, he'd be banned. Hell, I might ban him from the one I work at. Boss has a strict no-drama policy.


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 vaklor4 wrote:
That being said Doritos, that guy sounds like a royal dorkbag.

 JNAProductions wrote:
AD, that player sounds fething TERRIBLE.

Oh, I've known this guy long enough- I could probably dedicate an entire TFG thread to him.

He tends to phase in and out of the meta, come back 'better' but then get right back into his old habits. Literally every single friend he's invited to the FLGS has been banned, too- from everything ranging to shoplifting models to selling stolen M:tG cards in the parking lot. One of his 'mature, laid back' friends showed up high on... well I don't know what it was but I'd love to have some of it myself as long as someone chained me to a radiator and let me enjoy the ride.

There is probably a thread somewhere on the toxic sludge FFG calls a forum about the WAAC guy who brought Dual Phantoms to a funsies tournament. Probably penned by some lackwit T-65 fanboy on a sticky keyboard...

 darkcloak wrote:

 SHUPPET wrote:
So you tried to take something extremely broken and complained that your opponent's didn't take fun lists to deal with it? I don't like list tailoring at all but that one sounds a little like a two way street....

Extremely broken? I am just going to laugh at that. Have you ever flown Dual Phantoms? I'm guessing you've only heard about them from salty old FlyCas grognards who were pissed their Fat Han finally had a counter.

It has been a long damn time since Dual Phantoms were anything but a fun, swingy list that was either going melt faces or die instantly.

You take that list, at 84 points, to ANY tournament and then tell me they are 'extremely broken' and I'll show you a liar.

I literally know absolutely nothing about what you are talking about, this is a 40k forum. You simply said in your own post that if they didn't counter it you'd be able to see why people think they are so broken, and then complained that they countered it, and that their lists weren't "fun" lists. Hence why I said, this one sounds a little bit like a two way street, mate...

Oh, the snippet about 'if I hadn't been hard countered'?

Well then yeah I would have had a chance to show what Phantoms can do beyond whiff all their greens and take 4 damage + 1 on the next guy...

It's a swingy list even in the most casual setting. You can win big or lose big depending on the dice.

Also, if you... don't know anything about X-Wing then how do you know Phantoms are extremely broken? See, I knew a Fat Han player told you that!

Slow play, sore losers and obvious cheaters get my goat. Unfortunately, I've faced all three in one opponent and I avoid playing with that individual if I can - to the point when he's invited over for games I suddenly find myself late for an appointment elsewhere.

I think a lot of these situations could probably be resolved with some honest conversation.

About the only annoying experience I've had is being heckled when I was trying to not lose the 4th game in a row at my 40th birthday holiday at WHW. I guess it was funny to my friends, but for me it was my last chance to regain some pride by not being beaten by a Killa Kanz list... :(

During the actual night of my 40th, my friends were amazingly generous, buying all the drinks etc... the next morning I found out one of the lads had filled my leather coat pockets with salt, and the lining had bust, so I had a coat full of salt.

I was emptying it out for about three weeks after... XD

mhalko1 wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

I agree, but theres a difference in terms of losing and getting curb stomped. I can lose but if I get list tailored and tabled turn 2, im not gonna be happy. Had a game in 7th...I play orks ( so you know this story is going downhill already) He put the triple demolisher formation on the table knowing I had brought orks that day. Another guy asked specifically to play against me and my orks. He asked me to bring a stompa so he could put the Tau KX139 on the board. I already knew that thing was OP and I refused the game only to have him get upset and pissy. If you asked to play against Orks in 7th, you knew something was up...TFG.

reminds me of the time in 7th I was in a campaign league so I had to play a person I usually avoided because I knew he was notorious for tailoring his list to a cartoonish degree (he had an imperial guard collection that was enormously vast with every weapon on his HWTs and LRs magnetized, so if he knew what army you were playing he'd show up with a completely tailored list against it, his defense being that he "gives and expects no quarter and he hopes his opponent does the same")

Knowing this I decided to test the waters, we ended up matched together and I said "my orks are ready to go!" Then I made a list no person in their right mind could complain about - a stompa, 5 deff dreads, 3 killa kanz and a few big meks, with minimum squads of gretchin filling the troop choice. Any TAC list would have taken my list apart.

luckily, as it turned out I was up against 5 leman russ punishers with HB sponsons, several triple HB heavy weapon squads, several all-flamer special weapons squads and naked lasgun infantry all in a fortified trenchline. Not a single weapon that could strip a HP off of av12.

Excessively slow players.

I'm thinking of one in particular here - over an hour to deploy a necromunda gang, four hour games of blood bowl. 40K was an ordeal...

The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.

I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.

And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!

 vaklor4 wrote:
One of my favorite parts of DakkaDakka is seeing what creative ways people can think up substituting real swear words

I like to use smurf... like, I can't smurfin believe you smurfin did that you mother smurfer!

SG

 Dr. Mills wrote:
The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.

I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.

And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!

I got that when I started Necrons when their new Codex dropped at the end of 5th. I'd liked the idea of them for ages, but they always seemed so... flavourless and one-dimensional, so when they got redone I jumped on them. The first comment I got was someone I'd played before--and never won against--saying "Oh you've seen that they're strong so you're buying Necrons now?" after he lost to a Necron force, as well as general annoyance that I used them from other players. And yes, being a codex made for 6th edition and also strong in its own right, Necrons were a force to be reckoned with if you stocked up on Wraiths and flying Croissants... Which I didn't. Not a single flier or Wraith in my army. No special characters, no Spyder/Scarab spam, nothing that *really* made Necrons supreme at the time. The closest to that I got were having 2 Annihilation Barges and a Mindshackle CCB.

Hell, after a while we were having a discussion about netlists in the store, and the same guy who got snarky when I started the army even used it as an example of a list that's fun to play against because it's not just a netlist or super OP.

(That said, considering my armies until then had been CSM from 4th-6th, and Eldar & Tau from 5th-6th, I think I'd earned the right to play something a little more effective. Unfortunately, I quit before my Tau and Eldar got their 6th editions.)

 Dr. Mills wrote:
The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.

I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.

And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!

Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.

Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dr. Mills wrote:
The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.

I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.

And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!

Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.

Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.

Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.

 vaklor4 wrote:
Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.

I can sort of understand being a bit disappointed if you feel like someone is pushing in on "your thing" but it's almost always a stupid reaction. If it's a powerful army then people will already be playing it. If it just got updated and people want to try it out and someone carries on about how they liked it before it was FOTM they can feth off. If they're starting because they like the army just like you, chat about what you both like about it. The only time I can really see it as justified is if you beat them in a game then they show up next week with a newly built army of your faction with striking similarities to your list.

the_scotsman wrote:

mhalko1 wrote:

 gwarsh41 wrote:
People who cannot have fun while losing. Sometimes the game is called by turn 2, it's obvious one side has an advantage. I've had many games where instead of calling it, the opponent keeps playing, and is super salty while they do.

Just stop playing, shake hands, and walk away if you cannot play the game happily.

I agree, but theres a difference in terms of losing and getting curb stomped. I can lose but if I get list tailored and tabled turn 2, im not gonna be happy. Had a game in 7th...I play orks ( so you know this story is going downhill already) He put the triple demolisher formation on the table knowing I had brought orks that day. Another guy asked specifically to play against me and my orks. He asked me to bring a stompa so he could put the Tau KX139 on the board. I already knew that thing was OP and I refused the game only to have him get upset and pissy. If you asked to play against Orks in 7th, you knew something was up...TFG.

reminds me of the time in 7th I was in a campaign league so I had to play a person I usually avoided because I knew he was notorious for tailoring his list to a cartoonish degree (he had an imperial guard collection that was enormously vast with every weapon on his HWTs and LRs magnetized, so if he knew what army you were playing he'd show up with a completely tailored list against it, his defense being that he "gives and expects no quarter and he hopes his opponent does the same")

Knowing this I decided to test the waters, we ended up matched together and I said "my orks are ready to go!" Then I made a list no person in their right mind could complain about - a stompa, 5 deff dreads, 3 killa kanz and a few big meks, with minimum squads of gretchin filling the troop choice. Any TAC list would have taken my list apart.

luckily, as it turned out I was up against 5 leman russ punishers with HB sponsons, several triple HB heavy weapon squads, several all-flamer special weapons squads and naked lasgun infantry all in a fortified trenchline. Not a single weapon that could strip a HP off of av12.

While I don't like list tailoring and do my absolute best to avoid it, at least the guy you are talking about owns it. He knows he list tailors. He knows you know he list tailors and instead of hiding behind it or making excuses he just straight up says he gives and expects no quarter. He clearly states what kind of game he wants and what kind of game he will provide. That's really not that bad compared the guys who totally list tailor, but say they don't.

 vaklor4 wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Dr. Mills wrote:
The most annoying for me, is being tarred with the same brush as other players using the same army.

I run custodes. Pure Custodes. No FW or bikes either. In the big FLGS bear me, the the custodes players are hyper competitive with bikes, Telemon Dreads, guard CP batteries, the works.

And there's me with Allarus Terminators, mixed guard squads and even a Venerable Contemptor Dread. They look shocked!

Quite honestly it's that sort of knee jerk reaction people have to certain armies that has pushed me away from a lot of things. There is nothing like getting excited about a new army project only to have it all blown up by witnessing how dang mad people get over even thinking about running that faction.

Hell I got recommended not to start a Black Templars army at an old FLGS just because one player was a super fan of them and would basically flip his gak over other people playing them.....despite never playing them himself.

Can attest. The girlfriend of one of our players has a necrons army and despite barely ever playing, got super defensive when any one of us thought about trying the army out.

I've never understood that sort of attitude honestly. Why not want people to join your brotherhood cool club of similar armies? Hell I'd love to see another Imperial Fists player just because tables need more color and the angry lemons bring that visual pop in spades.