Warhammer {{{40k}}} Quest - Blackstone Fortress

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**CthuluIsSpy**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Odd how there are no necrons though. You'd think they would be all over a blackstone fortress, considering how those were Old One weapons platforms. Unless that got retconned.
Why would Necrons be all over it if it's an Old One weapon?

So they can blow it up? Its a lot easier to destroy a weapons platform from the inside than the outside.
Also, now that blackstone is a key component in necron anti-psy equipment (It can either amplify or neutralize psychic energies, depending on how you use it), they could mine it away, destroying the fortress in the process.
There is no reason for them not to be interested in the fortress.
If I were an Overlord and I heard about a Blackstone Fortress that's easy pickings, I would totally send in a mining team of canopteks, a cryptek supervisor and immortal bodyguards.

**Flinty**

She is wearing psychic armour. She can pretty much put it wherever she likes.

**bullyboy**

After finally getting to see the video on a full screen (not phone), I can really appreciate some of the models. I actually love the two little ratlings, what dungeon crawler is complete without a couple of the little guys? The robot is actually my least favourite model of the entire bunch. The navigator actually looks better as a mini than it does in the artwork.
The traitor guard are massive standouts though, wow, please expand this line to full on Renegade Guard.

And.....I don't care what you all think, I still love the Ranger (but I do see why people don't like the "Raging Heroes" style pose), but she would be my first character of choice if I play this in a group.

**NoiseMarine with Tinnitus**

Well dammit. That is my R&H army getting a complete reboot. I now just need ALL THE BLACKFORTRESS BAD GUY SPRUES!

Apparently the R&H dudes come with options. That makes me think we will be seeing a standalone kit for them in the near future. Would explain the timing of FW canning the R&H line.

**BrookM**

"Options" may just be a different head, so I'd wait and see first.

**Accolade**

Love everything in this set, but I’m a bit confused about the Chaos Space Marines.

They look bigger than the old marines but smaller than the Primaris (ie like the new death guard). Are there just going to be three scales of marines going forward (with chaos being in the middle)?

**Wolf_in_Human_Shape**

Yeah, that seems possible.

**H.B.M.C.**

If these are anything but mono-pose minis with the odd headswap I'd be very surprised.

**mortar_crew**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
If these are anything but mono-pose minis with the odd headswap I'd be very surprised.

Mono pose figures would be my bet also.

It seems that there are a pair of dudes with lasguns firing (?) one with some kind of club(?)
the grenade throwing one (with the pin still in the hand!)
a flamer and the leader with the sword and pistol.
So I will bet they will be on a unique frame.

Still stunning stuff, I will definitively hope they expand the range with at least
a heavy weapon kit and a sprue to "upgrade" cadians like they did for
the GSC... or more.
Buying all of them... Traitor guard in plastic, what a time to be a 40K gamer!

One plea to the designer nonetheless: keep it down on the chainmail please...

**silverstu**

Really impressive- I love this a lot more than I thought I would. The eldar ranger - I was expecting to hate- long time eldar collector and I've become a bit bored of them and I had been hoping for a proper corsair or something. But she's very impressive- love the dynamic pose- it makes more sense when you see other angles as she is holding a full sword not a dagger. The "Robot" looks like a suit or some kind - the chest has a big hatch and handle on it- either another ratling or a squat battle suit maybe? The Sister of Battle/missionary looks fantastic and the chaos stuff is more interesting than expected.. looks great model wise for me anyway..

**BrookM**

The hatch most likely contains the wetware of the robot.

**Kendo**

I just hope there are Killteam rules for these models. Some can port in already like the marines, but I would love to see these models come to the only GW game I play anymore.

**Binabik15**

The latest AoS starter had options on the duplicate sprue - one body and parts for the unit champ as well as another grunt. Maybe the Renegades are like that.

Cadian bodies are cheap enough to make us of the leftover bits.

**Elbows**

Also...this is a bit of stretch - could those two Chaos Marines be a new version of this? If CSM get a proper new release, the quick-fit models don't really make sense...but they would as the new micro-starter box. Maybe two minis instead of three due to the scale increase (or you'd get more than two in the box). They look more static than even the newest monopose minis...just a thought.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Space-Marines-3-models

All of the cultist/tratior guard I can make out have standard weapons in the typical cultists datasheet if you accept that autoguns and lasguns have the same stat line. I see autopistol/melee weapon, a flamer, and lasguns.

**ImAGeek**

Elbows wrote:
Also...this is a bit of stretch - could those two Chaos Marines be a new version of this? If CSM get a proper new release, the quick-fit models don't really make sense...but they would as the new micro-starter box. Maybe two minis instead of three due to the scale increase (or you'd get more than two in the box). They look more static than even the newest monopose minis...just a thought.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Chaos-Space-Marines-3-models

All of the cultist/tratior guard I can make out have standard weapons in the typical cultists datasheet if you accept that autoguns and lasguns have the same stat line. I see autopistol/melee weapon, a flamer, and lasguns.

The 2 CSM will just be in this game.

**barboggo**

Everything is awesome except the excessively-sexy-yet-still-weirdly-stiffly-posed ranger. A busty ranger with a design that emphasizes bursting boobs, thighs and stockings was a bad idea to begin with, but on top of that it's not even well executed with the slight pidgeon toed look and the awkward blade arm. It looks like bad 4chan waifu fanart brought to life.

**Haighus**

Elbows wrote:
Two disappointment stand out to me.

A) The robot has an assault cannon/mini-gun...this trend needs to die in a fire. We have 40K, a tremendous universe of possibilities and yet every GW design has the 1980's action movie obsession with miniguns. Really gets old (not to mention they rarely have an ammo feed appropriate for the gun). Unless you're wearing an MTV t-shirt, I don't want you carrying a minigun.

B) The CSM. This is a huge wasted opportunity. They're almost carbon-copies of the aesthetic from Dark Vengeance...just...larger and more boring. GW has finally put mass production behind things like MkIII and MkIV armour...they did a great job incorporating it in the Death Guard models, and yet we get another "generic Chaos" mark of armour that is kinda...nothing. I really wish GW would embrace the Horus Heresy origins which would look great on CSM models. Also..throw us some new helmets, or some old school bolters, or at the very least some chain mail bits, etc. The poses and styling of the new CSM seem really lazy...and not something I think was worth waiting for. I feel like someone totally different designed the traitor guard which are fresh, and interesting. I hope the new CSM kit (if one is indeed en route) is not based on this generic Chaos aesthetic they've been drowning in lately. The Lord, on the other hand, looks fantastic.

I know what you're saying, but at the same time, they are wearing MkV with Godwyn-style bolters, both of which were common in the Heresy. MkV is the easiest Mk to maintain and find spare parts for- it is basically MkIV with cheaper, inferior, bulky components. It makes sense for most non-Nurgle, non-Rubric CSM to use MkV for the maintenance reason. Most MkIV suits they did have would have been repaired to a MkV standard over the years.

Personally, I like the DV/ CSM Raptors look, so these two will be rounding out my Chosen squad, and the leader will become a Lieutenant/junior Lord to my Lord. Gonna have a core of elite CSM leading a bunch of cannon-fodder chaff.

**Flinty**

Maybe it's actually maximum inclilusivity and the ranger has one leg shorter than the other. What you are describing as an awkward pose is actually just because she uses special shoes? Or yeah... It's just weird...

**barboggo**

I'm not a fan of sexy Craftworld Eldar since they're supposed to be weird monk people that have abstained from the excesses of wider Eldar culture but if you're going to go that direction, at least try making it a little classier than what an 11 year old's drawing of what an "edgy sexy space elf lady" would look like. If the posing was better, I could MAYBE buy this idea with the specific context that she's a special named character at the Blackstone Fortress with her own idiosyncrasies and personality quirks and uh... sexy attire.

But... come on...

**Nevelon**

barboggo wrote:
Everything is awesome except the excessively-sexy-yet-still-weirdly-stiffly-posed ranger. A busty ranger with a design that emphasizes bursting boobs, thighs and stockings was a bad idea to begin with, but on top of that it's not even well executed with the slight pidgeon toed look and the awkward blade arm. It looks like bad 4chan waifu fanart brought to life.

Some of the design elements are straight from the normal rangers:

Spoiler:

Open chest robes, thigh-high leg warmers. giant gem belt buckle. Pose does looks a little goofy, but that might just be the angle. But she does fit in with the established aesthetics.

**barboggo**

It's cool if you like it man. I won't judge.

**Flinty**

Oh god... I just noticed the gem between the legs... It's like Ghostbusters 2 all.over again.

The design details are the same.but it's all sexed up.to 10.

**Nevelon**

barboggo wrote:
It's cool if you like it man. I won't judge.

I wouldn’t go as far to say I liked her. The model is posed oddly, but a lot of time dynamic models don’t photograph well. She might be better IRL or with a 360. So I’m not writing her off yet. I’ve also been giving Eldar in KT a lot of thought, so a ranger who stands out from the rest would be nice for denoting a specialist. One not finecast would be even better. So I might be a little biased towards her, despite flaws. Right now I’m hovering around “optimistically hopeful"

And any plastic eldar is a good eldar.

**BertBert**

The ranger really is a mystery to me. What's wrong with the legs and feet? The left foot is turned inwards and the right one is tiptoeing like a ballet dancer's pose.

The chest appears to be facing forward and is totally exposed, not something you'd expect form a martial posture. But then again, it doesn't really look like she's preparing to fight either, because she's neither aiming her rifle nor readying her kinve , with both being held uselessly on either side - It's all wrong

This has been called an Infinity-esque pose before, but it's really nothing like Infinity at all. Imagine the ranger had either of these poses, for example:

This is what you'd expect a ranger to move like.

**barboggo**

Nevelon wrote:
barboggo wrote:
It's cool if you like it man. I won't judge.

And any plastic eldar is a good eldar.

Can't argue with that.

Flinty wrote:
Oh god... I just noticed the gem between the legs... It's like Ghostbusters 2 all.over again.

The design details are the same.but it's all sexed up.to 10.

**Marleymoo**

The Ranger looks better on the video. The angle of the picture makes her look a little awkward.

You haters could just send your rangers to me.

**barboggo**

Yeah I can't complain if a lot of people like her. Makes her easier for me to get rid of.

**Mr_Rose**

Personally, I can’t get over the appalling trigger discipline, myself. Just, no, over-inflated space-elf, you only put your finger on the trigger when you are ready to kill the target.
What did that poor ceiling ever do to you?

**Crimson**

Mr_Rose wrote:
Personally, I can’t get over the appalling trigger discipline, myself. Just, no, over-inflated space-elf, you only put your finger on the trigger when you are ready to kill the target.
What did that poor ceiling ever do to you?

That is only an issue if the said trigger finger is controlled by a primitive and instinct driven monkey brain.

**Elbows**

That rifle doesn't even appear to have a normal trigger...it's Space Elf magicks.