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I'm hoping we see both.

Card packs for existing characters does make sense. Relatively cheap to produce, reasonable outlay for us Nerds, and gives us greater variety going forward.

But in terms of character expansions, in the style of Old Quest? Pic for clarity for other readers...



That I'd be ok paying £20ish for, provided it's an all new model, and even character class.

They could improve this by instead producing boxed sets of adventurers. Think Shadepsire (my word those are a bargain! £17.50 each!), but with 40k themes.

Imagine one for each branch of the Inquisition (because there's not just going to be one Inquisitor sniffing around. That's not how they work. Not how they work at all!), one for Adeptus Mechanicus (mmm....specialist Magos models!), one for Orks (Freebooterz, natch). Eldar Warlock with hand picked cronies (again, we might see other Paths represented, beyond Warrior), Archon much the same.

Essentially, just give me more. Now. Or I'll cry

Im all for expansions and new characters. From what i have seen i will really, really like this game.

Gonna start a new topic in 40k Discussion for that I think. Save clogging up the rumour section!

I'd be very happy with Shadespire type packs. Single models? Nope.
Remember, AU pricing, so the cheapest I can get £20 product for is around £23. That's my "maximum discount", and involves getting them directly from the UK via ...ways and a couple of weeks' wait time.

There's no 20% off £20 here. If I could actually get things for £16 here, then I'd be much more okay with many things. You of all people should be understanding/sympathetic to the way that GW rig their prices to screw everyone else, so what's reasonable to you (even before discount!) almost always works out to feth over the rest of the world.

The AU price for the £20 boxes works out to just shy of £31. I'd bought EVERYTHING for Kill Team up to the point when they released those in the way that they did, so I'm not exactly a complete tightarse. Give me value, and I'll buy. Make me feel like product is a ripoff and I won't - or I'll find alternatives in various forms.

Plus we're not factoring the arbitrary blanket price for KT Commanders.

Sometimes (namely Primaris characters) they are cheaper in the KT Commander box. Others, like the Commissar and a lot of the smaller HQ types, are vastly more expensive than just buying them separately.

That kinda stuff is crazy, and we don't want to see it repeated for Blackstone Fortress, even with new sculpts.

Small crews of ships would be cool. 5/6 characters and a ship. The support ability could be based on who gets left behind. You could even try it with less Explorers and get more support abilities.

Dunno, I'd personally prefer to see full expansion boxes similar to (for example) the ones FFG does for Imperial Assault or Mansions of Madness, either the big or the small ones. That way you could add missions, entire story arcs and additional, different tiles too.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but I think a good candidate for a new model would be an Eye of the Emperor, i.e. an old retired Custodian Guard, who roams the Imperium only in simple robes without the usual Custodian wargear.

tinbee wrote:
How long did it take from the release of Silver Tower before new heroes went on sale? Would be cool if we had a few more options. Here are some random ideas that might make for cool minis:

Ork Freebooter/Blood Axe Scout
Harlequin Mime
Squat Mercenary
Inquisitor (a low ranking one)
Death Watch Scout (hopefully not too op)
Eldar Exodite
Tau Pathfinder
Ogryn

You forgot Sly Marbo.


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 Thargrim wrote:
I have no real desire to see marines playable in this. They would just be able to go toe to toe with the csm too easy. But stuff like a demiurg, exodite, inquisitor, voidsmen would all be great options. A demiurg would be great though cause a card in this game acknowledges their existence.

I second this. No SM player characters. This game should be a challenge and not a snoozefest.


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 Stormonu wrote:
I'd say if GW were smart, they'd sell a mini-box with 4-5 minis in it, from tinbee's list.

Add in:

Escher lieutenant
Goliath facebreaker
Van Saar henchman
Admech Dominus
Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau

maybe that old half-eldar marine Ultramarine captain....

This will never happen. Characters of Necromunda are confined to the Necromunda boardgame and won´t see face time in any other GW product.

Didn't see anyone mention (missed it) the possibility of the Rogue Trader KT heroes getting a ship card and stats for BSF.

 privateer4hire wrote:
Didn't see anyone mention (missed it) the possibility of the Rogue Trader KT heroes getting a ship card and stats for BSF.

That would be a good way to salvage that mess.

I second this. No SM player characters. This game should be challenge and not a snoozefest.

While I agree here (I would except a scout, perhaps, seeing as you could draw an equivalent with the Ranger, but then why is a scout isolated from his chapter at the arse-end of nowhere?), if I had to do it I'd go full bore on it. Ok, you're space marines. We'll even give you lore-appropriate stats. Cool eh? But you're ALL marines. No choices. You're a boarding party, and the explorers who found this place woke it up. Automatic reinforcements. Maybe even an extra group of baddies in each encounter or something. And each 'run' you make costs you a 'time' point, get to zero and you lose because the baddies got their Evil Plan underway. No bugging out back to Precipice just because someone took a hit or two, you're Space Marines after all!

Basically, welcome to speed-run hard mode.

If they want add marines, a Deatwatch marine would make most sense. I don't think the power is a problem, as the robot is clearly more powerful than a single marine.

Single Marines can run around with other random adventurers just fine, see 40k RPG.

Pilum wrote:

I second this. No SM player characters. This game should be challenge and not a snoozefest.

While I agree here (I would except a scout, perhaps, seeing as you could draw an equivalent with the Ranger, but then why is a scout isolated from his chapter at the arse-end of nowhere?), if I had to do it I'd go full bore on it. Ok, you're space marines. We'll even give you lore-appropriate stats. Cool eh? But you're ALL marines. No choices. You're a boarding party, and the explorers who found this place woke it up. Automatic reinforcements. Maybe even an extra group of baddies in each encounter or something. And each 'run' you make costs you a 'time' point, get to zero and you lose because the baddies got their Evil Plan underway. No bugging out back to Precipice just because someone took a hit or two, you're Space Marines after all!

Basically, welcome to speed-run hard mode.

Because Scouts aren't just recruits. See the fluff about Telion or Naaman or Cyrus.

I'd be fine with a Scout. It'd be a way to finally have a "veteran" Scout shown off.

I'd love it if Marines make it into future BSF releases - and given their place in the history/story/sales numbers...I think it is a matter of 'when' NOT 'if'!

 Mysterio wrote:
I'd love it if Marines make it into future BSF releases - and given their place in the history/story/sales numbers...I think it is a matter of 'when' NOT 'if'!

Only as a Blackshield type or a renegade (not Traitor) Marine seeking to stay low for some reason.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

tinbee wrote:
How long did it take from the release of Silver Tower before new heroes went on sale? Would be cool if we had a few more options. Here are some random ideas that might make for cool minis:

Ork Freebooter/Blood Axe Scout
Harlequin Mime
Squat Mercenary
Inquisitor (a low ranking one)
Death Watch Scout (hopefully not too op)
Eldar Exodite
Tau Pathfinder
Ogryn

None of these exist as single models in plastic, so the chances are slim to none outside of a major Blackstone Fortress expansion.

What's far more likely, at least for the initial releases, are things like the Fireblade, Succubus, Haemonculus, that blasted Commissar everyone has, maybe an Ork Mek or Painboy, a low level Shadowseer or Autarch, and the Techpriest Enginseer.

I do hope we get proper character releases for this game, real expansions and further adventures within the Blackstone Fortress. I expect a reboxing of existing plastic minis however.

That would be terrible imo.
Really hope they don't shovel in the game every character that have a plastic kit a la ST. Especially Ork, I don't want a Ork as a special character. Yeah I know about blood axe, but I see them doing mercenary work together, not one alone hanging out with a bunch of humies


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 Azazelx wrote:



Oh, I get what you mean. I just disagree completely.

Not at the prices that they're asking for the KT ones, repack *or* new models. I wouldn't be okay with that at all.

I fear that it's exactly what they'll do, though.

I'd rather that they follow the boardgame model and release addtional heroes via proper expansions, but I think the single-model box is what they will choose to do instead.

But yeah, I'd really like it if they would sell card packs (ST-style) that would allow the use of as many as possible/all of the current existing character model range (including those that they have just finished reboxing for KT.), and some multi-hero reboxings at a discount.

I'd be willing to pay a arm and a leg for new character box like there was in the old WHQ

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Single Marines can run around with other random adventurers just fine, see 40k RPG.

Spoken like someone who never had a random player decide to play a Space Marine in a Dark Heresy game.

The obvious thing to do would be to put in the guys from Rogue Trader, (Starstriders?) or is that already in the cards?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Single Marines can run around with other random adventurers just fine, see 40k RPG.

Aha haaa, just fine. Yeah, ok, you obviously didn't play the games then or just ignored the fact that a special set of rules had to be made (Black Crusade) that allowed Marines and other characters to exist 'in harmony' whilst playing together in the same game. There is a reason Marines were split off into 'Deathwatch' amd also why the main Chaos dude in BSF is classed as an extremely difficult challenge, they massively skew things combat wise if games are true to the background. Im not saying marines can't or shouldn't be included but they are powerful. They will undoubtedly be included in a supplement but will see caveats/increases in enemy number to compensate/be part of full marine squads and the like


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The obvious thing to do would be to put in the guys from Rogue Trader, (Starstriders?) or is that already in the cards?

*BA DUM TSSH*


Seriously though, i'd hope to see them in White Dwarf or similar

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
The obvious thing to do would be to put in the guys from Rogue Trader, (Starstriders?) or is that already in the cards?

So far all we have is a promise of future support for the game. No specifics yet.

For those of you who want to base your minis like those seen on the box, Warhammer TV has posted a fairly simple tutorial.

 EnTyme wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Single Marines can run around with other random adventurers just fine, see 40k RPG.

Spoken like someone who never had a random player decide to play a Space Marine in a Dark Heresy game.

If they are roughly the same power level it works fine.

They could add a Deathwatch scout sent to investigate, or maybe a scout who has been exiled on a personal penitent crusade, like Ventris was. I think PA Marines would be a poor fit though, unless they had some other weaknesses (perhaps a crippled Marine who spends his days wandering the outer reaches- still a threat, but far from his full potential). Any Space Marines need to be off their A-game in some way.

The retired Custodes with no armour would also be an interesting and unique mini.

I really hope we see some Inquisition stuff, like henchmen and Interrogators. The Inquisition should be the next Imperial body to arrive after Rogue Traders. Perhaps an expansion with an interrogator, some henchmen, and an Officio Sabatorum agent just in case the BSF is considered too big a threat to leave intact?

xerxeshavelock wrote:
Small crews of ships would be cool. 5/6 characters and a ship. The support ability could be based on who gets left behind. You could even try it with less Explorers and get more support abilities.

Especially if they made little models of the shps we could use for ship games

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Single Marines can run around with other random adventurers just fine, see 40k RPG.

Aha haaa, just fine. Yeah, ok, you obviously didn't play the games then or just ignored the fact that a special set of rules had to be made (Black Crusade) that allowed Marines and other characters to exist 'in harmony' whilst playing together in the same game.

This is where they need to dig intot he old (read: original) WHQ's past.

One of the reasons the original Warhammer Quest was a huge success was because it allowed players to buy a box - get a full game, and then expand into the rest of the Warhammer Fantasy range. Also, the characters released in those small character boxes were unique sculpts. Which meant you had WHQ players grabbing them up, and then Warhammer Fantasy players who wanted unique sculpts (as all of the characters were more or less miniatures you could use in normal Warhammer Fantasy). That continues till this day. I sell minis on commission on eBay and I can sell 15-20 old Dwarf Slayers for about $30....and I can sell the single Dwarf Slayer from Warhammer Quest for $20 solo. He's not anything particularly special. The sculpt is pretty standard Slayer fare, but he's unique.

Unique Warhammer characters which are BSF boxes but can be played in 40K would grab plenty of sales...but mainly if they're unique sculpts. Sadly GW loves charging an arm and a leg for plastic unique sculpts...so that sucks.

Put a new plastic character in a box, add in a new ship card, a few extra cards for some of the decks in BSF, maybe a new event card or two (or challenge card or whatever). Make it a tiny mini-expansion, and charge $30 and you'd sell plenty. Or...do micro-expansions of a new character and 3-5 bad guy minis (even if these are re-purposed 40K minis), and all the cards and doo-dads for $40-45 and you'd probably sell some as well. BSF looks advanced enough that they could add a lot of tokens, doo-dads, cards, etc. to warrant the price they normally charge for a plastic sprued character.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
You obviously didn't play Wrath and Glory then. You know, the current version of GW's view on how adventuring in the 40k galaxy works.

Not everyone has that and/or have any interest in playing it.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Inquisitor Kallus wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Single Marines can run around with other random adventurers just fine, see 40k RPG.

Aha haaa, just fine. Yeah, ok, you obviously didn't play the games then or just ignored the fact that a special set of rules had to be made (Black Crusade) that allowed Marines and other characters to exist 'in harmony' whilst playing together in the same game.

You obviously didn't play Wrath and Glory then. You know, the current version of GW's view on how adventuring in the 40k galaxy works.

By all accounts not many people do.