Honour the Chapter question

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**AduroT**

Honour the Chapter stratagem lets a unit fight for a second time at the end of the fight phase. If they pile in and engage a unit that was not previously engaged, can that enemy unit then fight back, or do they not have an opportunity to since it’s the end of the phase?

**DeathReaper**

AduroT wrote:
Honour the Chapter stratagem lets a unit fight for a second time at the end of the fight phase. If they pile in and engage a unit that was not previously engaged, can that enemy unit then fight back, or do they not have an opportunity to since it’s the end of the phase?

The unit that used Honour the Chapter can not attack a unit it did not charge at all.

WARHAMMER 40,000 RULEBOOK FAQ wrote:Q: If a unit that can fight twice in the Fight phase charges one enemy unit and destroys it during their first ‘fight’ in the subsequent Fight phase, and then consolidates into a second enemy unit, can they then attack that unit during their second ‘fight’?

A: The charging unit can only make attacks against the second unit if it also declared a charge against it in its charge phase.

**Quanar**

I don’t think that’s the question he’s asking DR:

If a unit of marines (A) uses HtC to wipe out a unit of Orks (B), and then consolidates within 1” of a different Ork unit (C), can Ork unit C attack that turn, or not because it is “the end” of the phase?

**p5freak**

HTC doesnt say that you go through every step of the fight phase, only that the unit gets to fight for a second time. Can you fight a unit you consolidated into, but didnt declare a charge against ? The stratagem doesnt give you permission to do that, so i would say no.

**JohnnyHell**

Charging unit could have declared a multi charge and only reached one of its declared targets. There are ways.

Regarding the OP’s question, then no. It’s the end of the phase so all Fighting is done, bar this happening by special permission of the Stratagem.

**BaconCatBug**

p5freak wrote:
HTC doesnt say that you go through every step of the fight phase, only that the unit gets to fight for a second time. Can you fight a unit you consolidated into, but didnt declare a charge against ? The stratagem doesnt give you permission to do that, so i would say no.

The Rulebook FAQ says you do though.

Q: If a rule states that you can choose a unit to ‘fight again’,
what does this mean exactly?
A: Repeat the entire Fight phase for that unit – i.e.,
choose to fight with the unit, pile in with that unit, choose
its target, choose its melee weapon, resolve its close
combat attacks, then consolidate with it.

To answer the OP, the attacked unit would not have a chance to attack back because it's the end of the Fight Phase and thus cannot be selected, same how you cannot select a unit to move after Deep Strikers come in because it's the end of the Movement Phase.

**p5freak**

Ok, but they still cant fight a unit they didnt declare a charge against.

**BaconCatBug**

p5freak wrote:
Ok, but they still cant fight a unit they didnt declare a charge against.

Unless they didn't charge that turn.

**Stux**

p5freak wrote:
Ok, but they still cant fight a unit they didnt declare a charge against.

EDIT
Nevermind, misread what you wrote.