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They were filling a gap and doing a great job of it, fortunately they no longer need to. On that point in particular at least. There are other areas where I'm sure their addition will be handy if not outright necessary to make things reasonable.

So on a totally different note, even going back to fantasy it has always bugged me that lances are still useable after the charge as if they are somehow feasible as a combat weapon. In some cases I can see it, like monster riders having room to stab or chaos knights just hacking with them, but stuff like brettonians were... Stabbing the third rank or something? So now we come to boingrot bounders, which obviously don't jave the strength, reach, or weapon to do meaningful damage after the charge... But then it occurred to me that the squig could jump straight up and the grot points the lance down in a sort of dive bomb maneuver, which is a funny mental image I wanted to share.

Surely the purpose of the spear isn't to attack but to guide the squig. You get that squig leaping super high at the end of the charge; leaping over the rows of pikes and spears against it; as it twists and turns falling through the skies the goblin sweeps the spear in the air like a rudder; guiding the gnashing maw of the squig down to bite atop the pointlessly helmed (and only possibly pointed) enemies below.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
So on a totally different note, even going back to fantasy it has always bugged me that lances are still useable after the charge as if they are somehow feasible as a combat weapon. In some cases I can see it, like monster riders having room to stab or chaos knights just hacking with them, but stuff like brettonians were... Stabbing the third rank or something? So now we come to boingrot bounders, which obviously don't jave the strength, reach, or weapon to do meaningful damage after the charge... But then it occurred to me that the squig could jump straight up and the grot points the lance down in a sort of dive bomb maneuver, which is a funny mental image I wanted to share.

You don't necessarily have to grab a spear at the end. I guess theoretically you could do the same with a lance? I always just kind of assumed that was an abstraction for the sake of gameplay. It'd be annoying if you had to cycle-charge your cavalry every turn. I guess this is why most polearm cavalry is less effective after the charge.

Oh I know it's for game mechanic reasons, just a pet peeve I guess?


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 Overread wrote:
Surely the purpose of the spear isn't to attack but to guide the squig. You get that squig leaping super high at the end of the charge; leaping over the rows of pikes and spears against it; as it twists and turns falling through the skies the goblin sweeps the spear in the air like a rudder; guiding the gnashing maw of the squig down to bite atop the pointlessly helmed (and only possibly pointed) enemies below.

Oh, it seems I was mistaken. Your explanation is much better.

When do you think we're going to see the release of the Carrion Empire?

What special terrain or endless spells would you like to see for FEC and Skaven?

 Knight wrote:
When do you think we're going to see the release of the Carrion Empire?

What special terrain or endless spells would you like to see for FEC and Skaven?

When is very hard to say, don't forget genestealers had their duel kit released last year and Slaanesh and Khorne had one released recently and neither of them has had a major Battletome update either.

That said I'd wager we'll see Cultists eat up two to three weeks and then we might see the new Flesheater and Skaven duel boxed set. However the major Battletomes might not come until mid-year (since there's Slaanesh, possibly Khorne to come first - not to mention whatever from 40K and such).


As for ideas Skavens building could be one of many possibilities.
1) A Tunnel - which might be in two parts - an entrance and exit or just one (possibly entrance). Letting them get a lot more sneaky deployments onto the table. That said if they keep warp grinders they've already got this ability so its kind of repeating it.

2) A Breeding midden - or at least a midden or rats that might generate rat swarms/giant rats on a large scale. A den of rats that erupts and charges forth in a rabid rage of skaven furiosity

3) A really big bit of warpstone!

Tunnel entrances would be fitting, however, I'd like to see GW showing a bit more creativity. Mostly because I'd like to see the terrain to be more unique rather than a faction version of a hole from where units are spawned. I'm not denying that it wouldn't fit the Skaven.

Warpstone deposit would be cool. No idea what it could do mechanically but the idea feels cool.

For endless spells, I've been thinking on something like vermintide (a swarm of rats that return slain models or do mortal wounds to the enemy) and giant sentient warp storm, perhaps something like "black hunger" in the form of a giant rodent's head that has an aura that increases the damage output but also damages nearby skaven units that are not in close combat.

A Gnawhole could always be one of their versions of an Endless Spell? While cliche, it's pretty signature to the Skaven of AoS. Skaven mage raises his hands and it rumbles up out of the earth and begins disgorging Skaven.

The terrain piece could be a gnawhole; not a hole in the ground but a hole in reality. Having tunnel (or tunnel derivative) features that are spawned during the game rather than set up beforehand would be really cool. Something other than 'deploy this before the battle, it buffs stuff nearby' would be welcome for me.

Vermintide is a given for endless spells, as is some sort of warp-lightning based spell.

 Knight wrote:
Warpstone deposit would be cool. No idea what it could do mechanically but the idea feels cool.

-Give bonuses to nearby Skaven Casters, with increased casting bonus/potency depending on how much they snack on, with risks involved.
-Give Nearby Skaven units a Frenzy type bonus, as they fight all the harder near their cultures “lifeblood”, if you will.
-A mechanic like the Herdstone that gradually spreads across the battlefield.

Just some fun ideas!

What is Warpstone in the new setting? In the old setting it was chunks of the moon of magic, right? Congealed solid magic raining down on the Old World.

It's Chaos-tainted Realmstone now.

And what is realmstone? Is it just the rock that realms are made out of?

Pretty much. Effectively Warstone is now akin to Warp-tainted rare ore in the ground.

 Da Boss wrote:
And what is realmstone? Is it just the rock that realms are made out of?

It's a magical substance that coalesces from the raw elemental magic at the edges of the Realmspheres. It takes a different form in each Realm; for instance Shyishian Realmstone is fine grains of black sand that each represent a single mortal soul. Nagash made his undead armies gather all of it from the edge of Shyish and pile it in the centre which is what caused the Necroquake as the magical polarity of the Realm was inverted.

So back in WHFB magic in it's raw form was corrupting and mutative, the eight winds of magic even came from the realm of chaos (the eight-pointed star was the eight winds flowing out from the northern pole where the realm of chaos intersected with the world). Warpstone was congealed magic, the moon was a huge blob of warpstone but the material existed elsewhere as well.

In AoS the nature of magic has changed, with the eight winds taking on existences of their own. Realmstone is essentially the same as warpstone, just the magic it is made of is different.

Is warpstone ‘solid chaos’ or corrupted realm stone? Actually I suppose those are pretty much the same thing...

A manifestation of chaos, although I imagine chaos could corrupt other stones.

By the horned one they're here, they're here!







I think we guessed all of the spells and the terrain. Good job dakka!

Called it!

Skipping the boxed set, I’ll wait for the characters to be solo released, but I’m getting all the tokens, terrain, spells. Its fun to paint up such different stuff. And the battletomes, I’m a completionist.

I have squinted really hard at the Abhorrant Archregent warscroll and I have divulged this:

- normal King healing

- a spell that adds +D6 to all attacks on a unit wholly within something (looks like 14")

- command ability that summons either 1 COURTIER, a unit of up to 3 REVENANTS or a unit of up to 20 SERFS.

So either my eyes are failing, or there's some major renaming going on, or we are getting new stuff.

Wild speculation: Serfs are repurposed Zombie kit.

I am super excited for an updated Flesh-Eater Courts tome. That is my primary army and I adore their fluff but they are pretty awful in the game.

I doubt they will get new models, although a repurposed Corpse Cart might be interesting and thematic (the necromancerish looking guy on it looks suitably ghoulish), and there is artwork that shows a corpse cart looking thing pulled by some giant monster as well as ghouls with banners. However, it seems like Deadwalkers are the only remaining Death faction that isn't part of something else, so it could make sense to roll them into FEC and be done with all of Death as well as give FEC more variety.

It seems like the Archregent gets to choose what he summons; the Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon summons courtiers, the Ghoul King on Terrorgheist summons Horrors/Flayers (possibly renamed to REVENANT?) and the Ghoul King on foot summons Ghouls (possibly SERFS), so the Archregent being the "Ghoul Emperor" can choose any of the three. Which, if Majestic Horror remains as it is, opens up the possibility to summon two different ones.

My friend, an avid Skaven player, has probably wet himself tonight.

I'm pretty excited for Skaven, and vicariously for FEC since a game buddy plays them. We already agreed to split the box when they announced it.

I wonder is AoS is going to see a battletome tidalwave now the 40k one is pretty much finished.

Some of these factions really do just need modern rules to function better (BCR, IJ, BS, ogors...)

Loving that Strigoi, I hope he's going to be available as a single model soon.

I fully expect a Battletome wave. AoS needs it more than 40K does honestly; the Index alone and the long stable history of 40K cemented most forces as existing. AoS at its launch killed off two whole factions and left many fragmented and bitty. Since then its been a lot of confusion over what would stay and what would go and even, form what stays, what nature it would stay as.

Pestilens Battletome suggested Skaven, at least early on, were going to get separate Tombs for each Clan. Now the new Battletome comfirms that not to be the case and that they will all be reunited as a single army. It's a fantastic turn of events for Skaven and honestly puts them right back where they are best; with a full model line; a diverse army with multiple options and, for the first time, a chance to run either pure clans or multiclans without penalties.

Under the previous system you had to ally in anything that wasn't from your Clan - meaning most Skaven clans didn't have mainstays like clan rats. Creating a really odd series of situations and a big need for a lot of models to flesh out each one into a proper working army. This new tome resolves that matter.

Plus it means if GW releases 1 new model for Clan Skyre its not just limited to them; any Clan can make use of it pretty much. It cuts down a lot of release pressure when all your skaven players are pretty much happy for a new model; rather than only 1/5th of them who can use it because they collect the right clan that the model comes from.

 Da Boss wrote:
And what is realmstone? Is it just the rock that realms are made out of?

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Realmstone