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It's from the GW store page for the Warscroll cards

App is updated with new scrolls. For FEC so far:

* Horrors are still garbage, no changes and they needed some

* Flayers got better. Scream is now 2d6 versus Bravery, -2, if they are more than 3" and every roll higher than bravery, is a mortal wound; their attack is an unmodified 6 to hit and is a mortal wound in ADDITION to normal damage instead of replacing it

* Terorrgheist is now 6 mortal wounds on an unmodified 6 to HIT instead of Wound.

* Archregent seems pretty beastly and is a must-take in any FEC army, at least one.

Oh good. Terrorgheists can also be battleline. And now will do 6 mortal wounds on a 6 to hit. Hmmm I wonder if its valuable to spam that? Such choices they give lol

EDIT: i haven't seen their points cost yet. If they are actually paying for that ability properly then that would be acceptable. My cynical response is having a feeling that they will not be paying for that ability either.

 Knight wrote:

Spoiler:

Found this rat thing on reddit.

It's from the online store...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warscroll-Cards-Skaven-2019-eng

Omg that warpstone token ability is epic!


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auticus wrote:
Oh good. Terrorgheists can also be battleline. And now will do 6 mortal wounds on a 6 to hit. Hmmm I wonder if its valuable to spam that? Such choices they give lol

EDIT: i haven't seen their points cost yet. If they are actually paying for that ability properly then that would be acceptable. My cynical response is having a feeling that they will not be paying for that ability either.

Do we have confirmation terrorgheists can be battleline? I got the sense it was dragons only.


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Wayniac wrote:
App is updated with new scrolls. For FEC so far:

* Horrors are still garbage, no changes and they needed some

What? Horrors weren't/aren't garbage at all. They just need to be in ghoul king range for the buff. They are running around at LVO right now and the guy who won SoCal open was using them.

Each of the 4 Courts unlocks 1 battleline: Terrorghasts, Zombie Dragons, Horrors or Flayers (the latter two also still unlock with the corresponding Courtier general). You pay for this by being forced into some pretty naff Court command traits and artefacts. I can't confirm but people say you also lose the Delusion if you run a Court.

Double summon command trait is gone (well, it changes to your regular summon not costing a CP).

Archregent spam is real. He's 200 pts and can summon your choice of 170 pts of Horrors/Flayers, 160 pts or Varghulf or 200 pts of Ghouls. Deploy him on the throne for free summons. So he leaves behind a literally free 7W body with decent melee, casting ability (with a great base spell) and literally the best healing in the game (auto 3 wounds a turn). So after you take your fill of dragon/terrorghast riders, you basically fill up all your leftover Leader slots with this guy every time.

 Knight wrote:


Found this rat thing on reddit.

Okay, so hypothetically you use your Grey Seer's Wither on an enemy blob on models/battleline. I'm guessing the resultant roll have to be high than the unit's total wounds in order for it to work in terms of mortal wounds and -1 to hit, or does it mean individual models within the unit?

I believe it means individual models, so basically is nearly automatic damage and debuff in nearly everything that is not a hero, mounted hero, or monster.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Each of the 4 Courts unlocks 1 battleline: Terrorghasts, Zombie Dragons, Horrors or Flayers (the latter two also still unlock with the corresponding Courtier general). You pay for this by being forced into some pretty naff Court command traits and artefacts. I can't confirm but people say you also lose the Delusion if you run a Court.

Double summon command trait is gone (well, it changes to your regular summon not costing a CP).

Archregent spam is real. He's 200 pts and can summon your choice of 170 pts of Horrors/Flayers, 160 pts or Varghulf or 200 pts of Ghouls. Deploy him on the throne for free summons. So he leaves behind a literally free 7W body with decent melee, casting ability (with a great base spell) and literally the best healing in the game (auto 3 wounds a turn). So after you take your fill of dragon/terrorghast riders, you basically fill up all your leftover Leader slots with this guy every time.

Well with Archregent at 200 balance is already gone no matter what. Even with nothing but generic Death allegiance you can run six of them, 450 pts of whatever, and have 6cp to do all their summons first turn and you have deployed between 2710-2950 points round one in a 2000 points game.

Do we have confirmation terrorgheists can be battleline? I got the sense it was dragons only.

I have not seen the book with my own eyes. However I have read in a couple places now they have something that makes royal zombie dragons AND terrogheists battleline.

Blackfang said above that one special court does dragons while another does terrorgheists (and it is confirmed these are indeed the unridden kind). That I am OK with; doing either would push it too far IMO. Now those options may be OP but that is a balance issue distinctly seperate from the concept.

It makes me think of the all-troggoth army. That army is possible but not all that good despite the component units being more or less balanced. Which is perfect because an army like that should be run for theme. It is also an excellent example of why list building still matters quite a lot even when things are balanced.

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Archregent spam is real. He's 200 pts and can summon your choice of 170 pts of Horrors/Flayers, 160 pts or Varghulf or 200 pts of Ghouls. Deploy him on the throne for free summons. So he leaves behind a literally free 7W body with decent melee, casting ability (with a great base spell) and literally the best healing in the game (auto 3 wounds a turn). So after you take your fill of dragon/terrorghast riders, you basically fill up all your leftover Leader slots with this guy every time.

Each Archregent can only summon once per game though. Also the units it brings on have to be within 6" of a table edge.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Each of the 4 Courts unlocks 1 battleline: Terrorghasts, Zombie Dragons, Horrors or Flayers (the latter two also still unlock with the corresponding Courtier general). You pay for this by being forced into some pretty naff Court command traits and artefacts. I can't confirm but people say you also lose the Delusion if you run a Court.

Double summon command trait is gone (well, it changes to your regular summon not costing a CP).

Archregent spam is real. He's 200 pts and can summon your choice of 170 pts of Horrors/Flayers, 160 pts or Varghulf or 200 pts of Ghouls. Deploy him on the throne for free summons. So he leaves behind a literally free 7W body with decent melee, casting ability (with a great base spell) and literally the best healing in the game (auto 3 wounds a turn). So after you take your fill of dragon/terrorghast riders, you basically fill up all your leftover Leader slots with this guy every time.

Well with Archregent at 200 balance is already gone no matter what. Even with nothing but generic Death allegiance you can run six of them, 450 pts of whatever, and have 6cp to do all their summons first turn and you have deployed between 2710-2950 points round one in a 2000 points game.

Isn't it even better than that with the Charnel Throne?

Without the Throne you have to buy CPs and at that point you're paying 50-90 pts for the Archregent's body depending on what you summon, which seems okay to me.

I think the simplest fix would be to errata the Throne to only pay for 1 command ability per round.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I do find it intriguing that some people are saying that something "ancient and terrible" would definitely describe Tomb Kings, as an enemy of Nagash, which would ALSO definitely continue the Soul Wars.

Slaanesh fits the bill a bit better...

Especially since the Aelf deities have been holding Slaanesh to extract Aelf souls from the World That Was out of Slaanesh's belly.

 Eldarain wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Each of the 4 Courts unlocks 1 battleline: Terrorghasts, Zombie Dragons, Horrors or Flayers (the latter two also still unlock with the corresponding Courtier general). You pay for this by being forced into some pretty naff Court command traits and artefacts. I can't confirm but people say you also lose the Delusion if you run a Court.

Double summon command trait is gone (well, it changes to your regular summon not costing a CP).

Archregent spam is real. He's 200 pts and can summon your choice of 170 pts of Horrors/Flayers, 160 pts or Varghulf or 200 pts of Ghouls. Deploy him on the throne for free summons. So he leaves behind a literally free 7W body with decent melee, casting ability (with a great base spell) and literally the best healing in the game (auto 3 wounds a turn). So after you take your fill of dragon/terrorghast riders, you basically fill up all your leftover Leader slots with this guy every time.

Well with Archregent at 200 balance is already gone no matter what. Even with nothing but generic Death allegiance you can run six of them, 450 pts of whatever, and have 6cp to do all their summons first turn and you have deployed between 2710-2950 points round one in a 2000 points game.

Isn't it even better than that with the Charnel Throne?

Yes it is.


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Thommy H wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:


Archregent spam is real. He's 200 pts and can summon your choice of 170 pts of Horrors/Flayers, 160 pts or Varghulf or 200 pts of Ghouls. Deploy him on the throne for free summons. So he leaves behind a literally free 7W body with decent melee, casting ability (with a great base spell) and literally the best healing in the game (auto 3 wounds a turn). So after you take your fill of dragon/terrorghast riders, you basically fill up all your leftover Leader slots with this guy every time.

Each Archregent can only summon once per game though. Also the units it brings on have to be within 6" of a table edge.

Any table edge. So it's actually better since you get to outflank.


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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Without the Throne you have to buy CPs and at that point you're paying 50-90 pts for the Archregent's body depending on what you summon, which seems okay to me.

I think the simplest fix would be to errata the Throne to only pay for 1 command ability per round.

A restriction that only the general gets to do it would be the only way to salvage things as it stands.

Looks like Gristlegore grand court does indeed get dragons AND terrorgheists as battleline. I think that goes too far; if it was one or the other that would be limiting on flexibility for theme but with both... I think it is cool and fun to let people do theme armies even if they are monster focused but that pushes it into 'what's the point of needing battleline at all?'

Someone posted this link on reddit: https://thehonestwargamer.com/age-of-sigmar-stats-feb-11th-2019/

Thought you folks might like to see some global statistics on event results since 2.0 launched.

That mirrors what I saw doing well at LVO; Daughters, Legions, and Stormcast with a side of Khorne and Idoneth. Builds were limited; Daughters had Morathi + Shrine + Infantry with only variation in support to that, Legions had grimghasts, 5-man dogs, and skeleton blobs almost universally, Stormcast focused on sequitors/evocators/ballista, Khorne probably had the most variation with gore pilgrims but diversity otherwise, while Idoneth was just eel spam.

Hopefully we'll start to see Gloomspite, Skaven and others that are getting new tomes start to push into the meta. There will always be a bit of lag time and Gloomspite has a fair few new models in it. So we might see something like skaven jump the line or even Flesh Eaters since both are pretty much running on legacy models for both armies.

Needless to say my excitement level on the game has not changed. It is still pretty low with these new issues coming out.

My community is starting to ramp up competitive AOS again as well so I have taken my narrative desires underground to the garage and have canceled trying to do any public narratives until gw addresses this without the need for houseruling.

The Skaven and Flesh Eater Battletomes are "issues" now?

Also surely Narrative is all about house-ruling on matters since its, you know, narrative and thus a far more acceptable area to introduce house rules and quirky adjustments to the game beyond just pure matched play with a bit of story.


Still maybe you'd be happier once the AoS RPG game comes out later? That at least would be totally narrative driven and RPG engines are designed to run through a DM and thus any errors or issues can be ironed out by a DM (this is not to excuse errors or problems; but simply being realistic that no RPG system is perfect and also that sometimes errors and problems are not actual and are wrong conclusions by people)

The issues being they continue to push the over powered builds that are obvious. The false choices. I consider those issues.

It also ruins any attempt to do a narrative campaign unless you're just ok with removing 9/10 of the game once those builds show up on your table.

They aren't issues if you are a tournament oriented or competitive gamer playing the game as an exercise in seeing who builds the better list and competing at events like LVO or Adepticon. They are issues otherwise and require social pacts to ensure a good game.

An RPG is not a wargame. They are two totally different entities that fulfill two totally different set of requirements / desires.

 Overread wrote:
Hopefully we'll start to see Gloomspite, Skaven and others that are getting new tomes start to push into the meta. There will always be a bit of lag time and Gloomspite has a fair few new models in it. So we might see something like skaven jump the line or even Flesh Eaters since both are pretty much running on legacy models for both armies.

Gloomspite was there, they are just a largely balanced battletome so obviously get slaughtered at tournaments.

I wasn't aware we'd spotted the overpowered choices yet. Skaven certainly appear to be a bit all over the place with good choices in a variety of places. Flesh Eaters are simpler if just because they've a much smaller range and whilst there might be some questionable formations (eg all dragons) it still waits to be properly seen if its balanced or unbalanced.


I dunno if they are in-line with Daughters of Khaine and the others on the top end of the curve then it just means the curve is higher for 2.0 and as GW updates each faction they will land in the same ballpark region.



Also Auticus, and I mean this sincerely not as an insult, have you considered taking a step back from AoS entirely? I say that only because it seems, from your internet posting (which I appreciate can be but one facet of a persons interest which they display) you've a heavily negative viewpoint of AoS. Indeed a vast number of your posts seem to dislike various aspects of the game/mechanics/gw and I just wonder if what's needed is a break. A chance to step away and try out some other stuff and give yourself a breather.

Skaven I don't think we know about. FEC we don't really onow barring the Archregent. Problem is unless there is a significant restriction we are missing the Archregent alone is so massively overpowered it shatters any semblance of balance even if everything else is fine.

As for Auticus, consider he has a meta filled with TFG. All the worst exploits we hear about but rarely see are the majority of the armies for him. I think that would sour any of us on the game even if we really wanted to like it.

Also it seems like he runs really good narrative campaigns despite that.

If I could do something with the vast amounts of models that I have spent a bazillion hours painting and modifying over the last 20 years I would certainly fully divorce myself from it entirely.

Barring that if I could play games knowing that I didn't drive 30 minutes to the store to auto lose by unpacking my army, I'd probably be in a better place. Problem is the armies that I really love (chaos warriors and knights, tomb kings, and dark elves) have nothing to stand up to the current jobber-bait.

Skaven we don't fully know about. There is a good chance that they'll be ok.

The FEC stuff though... between archregent obvious choice, max level summoning, and the terrogheist and zombie dragon being battleline choices, that book seems quite a bit bent.


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As for Auticus, consider he has a meta filled with TFG. All the worst exploits we hear about but rarely see are the majority of the armies for him. I think that would sour any of us on the game even if we really wanted to like it.

Also it seems like he runs really good narrative campaigns despite that.

My community isn't filled with TFG, but rather it is highly competitive. It only takes one TFG (and yes we have had a couple) to escalate and blow up a campaign with 15-20 others by causing the arms race because no one wants to be a jobber to someone else and lose by virtue of plopping down a fun army vs someone plopping down an LVO finals netlist army.

So when I see things like FEC dropping with the obvious choice character and dual zombie dragon / terrorgheist battleline choices and the ability to bring in 1000-1200 points of free troops extra, I know that it will show up and that the campaign will implode because of it because people will need to also bring their A lists (it is human nature).

I love the public narrative thing we've had going because its quite frankly unique. It breaks my heart to have to make it private because the only public games new players will be exposed to will be competitive league and tournament games and pick up games prepping for those.

So now knowing these results...I will stop bringing my Khorne army against my buddy's Overlords, and start bringing my Beastmen instead, apparently that's a fair fight!

It's the quality of the list more than the rank of the army. Every Khorne list doing well had Gore Pilgrims, and a Bloodsecrator is auto take even without it. Bring Khorne but don't use any bloodsecrators, should do the trick.

Fair enough, the Bloodboi is just an incredible force multiplier. So makes sense he is an auto-pick. Hopefully he gets changed in the new book, while keeping the book's power.