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Right, can we steer back into topic please?

 Mymearan wrote:
Warp Spiders and Shining Spears have 1 sculpt (2nd ed and 3rd ed respectively). Fire Dragons, Banshees, Dark Reapers and Striking Scorpions have 3 (2nd, 3rd and... 4th or 5th for the latest ones?). Dire Avengers I think only have 2, with the second set being plastic. Swooping Hawks have 2 (2nd and 3rd ed). The 3rd ed resculpts were not done by Jes Goodwin, and suffice to say better stick to either the 2nd ed or the latest ones...

Dire Avengers had 3. They had a metal/plastic hybrid kit in 3rd that used 8 plastic Guardians and added metal Dire Avenger heads and sashes as well as a metal arm with shuriken pistol and one with power sword.

The day they release each Aspect unit in plastic is the day I start an Eldar army! Howling Banshees or Warp Spiders designed up with today's standards would make some very sharp looking units

 NurglesR0T wrote:
The day they release each Aspect unit in plastic is the day I start an Eldar army! Howling Banshees or Warp Spiders designed up with today's standards would make some very sharp looking units

I loved how those different aspects filled a different CC niche. Banshees were devastaing on the charge, whereas SS could take a charge and stick around to deal some counter damage if they didn't manahe to get the charge in themselves. Plus mandibles

With the pitiful damage that SS do now, I really wish that their mandibles would proc on a 5+ instead of a 6. I love the models so damn much, but their price (both $$ and in game) has basically kept me from running them ever, except in the rare case where I go against my friends GSC, they can do ok there.

First look at Angron?

Where's that from, JSG?

 Dysartes wrote:
Where's that from, JSG?

The new article on wake the dead.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/27/27th-sept-wake-the-dead-the-loregw-homepage-post-3/

That's gotta be old, unrelated art. That's a chaos dreadnought and Angron doesn't look like a generic Daemon Prince, and certainly doesn't use a sword.

Edit: I read the blurb of fluff. The Sam-Hainn succeed in stopping that Chaos uprising, and this boxset takes place after that has already happened.

 zend wrote:
That's gotta be old, unrelated art. That's a chaos dreadnought and Angron doesn't look like a generic Daemon Prince, and certainly doesn't use a sword.

Edit: I read the blurb of fluff. The Sam-Hainn succeed in that Chaos uprising, and this boxset takes place after that has already happened.

I thought he used a black sword.

Nope, that art is old. It's in one of the old eldar codexes.

That art was at the very least in the 4th ed codex so I doubt you can glean much for angron

JSG wrote:

 zend wrote:
That's gotta be old, unrelated art. That's a chaos dreadnought and Angron doesn't look like a generic Daemon Prince, and certainly doesn't use a sword.

Edit: I read the blurb of fluff. The Sam-Hainn succeed in that Chaos uprising, and this boxset takes place after that has already happened.

I thought he used a black sword.

Apparently he did, but it was broken by Grey Knights during the first War for Armageddon. I assume hes back to using an axe, as most art depicts him with one and GW has most likely modelled him with one. Either way, hes not going to look like the generic $40 DP kit.

JSG wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Where's that from, JSG?

The new article on wake the dead.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/27/27th-sept-wake-the-dead-the-loregw-homepage-post-3/

Call it nit picking but even with a small side event such as this box set, why the feth does everything have to involve the zogging Ultramarines. You have six 1st founding chapters represented in the Space Marine Codex along with their countless numbers of successor chapters to use in your setting and yet Ultras are involved in basically every narrative event.

 Vankraken wrote:

JSG wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Where's that from, JSG?

The new article on wake the dead.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/27/27th-sept-wake-the-dead-the-loregw-homepage-post-3/

Call it nit picking but even with a small side event such as this box set, why the feth does everything have to involve the zogging Ultramarines. You have six 1st founding chapters represented in the Space Marine Codex along with their countless numbers of successor chapters to use in your setting and yet Ultras are involved in basically every narrative event.

Because they are the fashionably late Cavalry? It’s been their schtick since the Horus Heresy - miss the main fighting and show up afterwards to kick in the head of the side that’s already blown its wad on the enemy. If I didn’t know better, I’d think Roboute does it on purpose...

I imagine it's in part because Ultramarines are what the studio vanilla marines primaris army is

 B0B MaRlEy wrote:
That art was at the very least in the 4th ed codex so I doubt you can glean much for angron

Shame.

BrianDavion wrote:
I imagine it's in part because Ultramarines are what the studio vanilla marines primaris army is

Yeah. I probably would have bought Tooth and Claw but I can't really be bothered scraping the SW iconography off the marines, so this looks a bit more attractive to me (and if I'm stuck with the opposing faction I'd prefer Eldar over stealers, but that's just a bonus).

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I imagine it's in part because Ultramarines are what the studio vanilla marines primaris army is

Yeah. I probably would have bought Tooth and Claw but I can't really be bothered scraping the SW iconography off the marines, so this looks a bit more attractive to me (and if I'm stuck with the opposing faction I'd prefer Eldar over stealers, but that's just a bonus).

Just a heads-up, but the marines in Tooth and Claw are multi-part, and all the Wolves iconography is part of the included upgrade sprue. With the exception of the specifically Space Wolf Haldor Icepelt, all the other models can be built as not-Wolves without any conversion straigth out the box.

It could have been any other chapter of space marines. Why did they have to go with Ultramarines? Now that the Ultramarines are there, there's zero conflict. GW would never have the blue boys lose.

drbored wrote:
It could have been any other chapter of space marines. Why did they have to go with Ultramarines? Now that the Ultramarines are there, there's zero conflict. GW would never have the blue boys lose.

They probably "had to go with Ultramarines" because the Ultramarines are currently out there trying to reinforce the various lynchpin worlds. Guilliman's going to send his boys, end of story.

They're really milking the teases for a comparatively dull box that seemingly nobody is bothered by

drbored wrote:
It could have been any other chapter of space marines. Why did they have to go with Ultramarines? Now that the Ultramarines are there, there's zero conflict. GW would never have the blue boys lose.

*Eyeroll* yeah because the presence of Ultramarines at Cadia stopped Cadia from falling. Ultramarines suffer plenty of defeats (Honor and Iron for example had the third company suffer a devestating loss)

the ultramarines hate is getting old people

 Insane Ivan wrote:

JWBS wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
I imagine it's in part because Ultramarines are what the studio vanilla marines primaris army is

Yeah. I probably would have bought Tooth and Claw but I can't really be bothered scraping the SW iconography off the marines, so this looks a bit more attractive to me (and if I'm stuck with the opposing faction I'd prefer Eldar over stealers, but that's just a bonus).

Just a heads-up, but the marines in Tooth and Claw are multi-part, and all the Wolves iconography is part of the included upgrade sprue. With the exception of the specifically Space Wolf Haldor Icepelt, all the other models can be built as not-Wolves without any conversion straigth out the box.

Really? I checked the sprue pics and I saw glyphs and neck charms on the models, but I guess I didn't pay close attention (I did notice the shoulder pads are additional, but I thought some of the chest pieces and legs are unique). I'll go check again. Do you have the set?

/edit - hmm. I believe you're right. This may change things. I prefer the WtD leader and eldar, but I also prefer the the T&C dread and flamer infantry. Decisions to be made.

Yeah, Tooth and Claw is just normal Primaris with upgrade sprues. The character is SW, but easy to trade. Fortunately, the wolves are one of the many chapters I have, so I am the target audience for most of their Imperium releases.

Except for Blood Angels.

And I’m splitting my Wake boxes with a buddy...he needs more Wave Serpents and Guardians. But he wants new Aspect Warriors sculpts too.

 Vankraken wrote:

JSG wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Where's that from, JSG?

The new article on wake the dead.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/27/27th-sept-wake-the-dead-the-loregw-homepage-post-3/

Call it nit picking but even with a small side event such as this box set, why the feth does everything have to involve the zogging Ultramarines. You have six 1st founding chapters represented in the Space Marine Codex along with their countless numbers of successor chapters to use in your setting and yet Ultras are involved in basically every narrative event.

How many chapters they have PAINTED UP in the studio army? That's the question. Guess their painters are too busy painting other stuff to do other chapters in sufficient quantities.

tneva82 wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:

JSG wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Where's that from, JSG?

The new article on wake the dead.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/27/27th-sept-wake-the-dead-the-loregw-homepage-post-3/

Call it nit picking but even with a small side event such as this box set, why the feth does everything have to involve the zogging Ultramarines. You have six 1st founding chapters represented in the Space Marine Codex along with their countless numbers of successor chapters to use in your setting and yet Ultras are involved in basically every narrative event.

How many chapters they have PAINTED UP in the studio army? That's the question. Guess their painters are too busy painting other stuff to do other chapters in sufficient quantities.

I am under the impression that other forces tend to be personal armies of one of the staff, which are sometimes used if they are of sufficient quality.

 Haighus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Vankraken wrote:

JSG wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:
Where's that from, JSG?

The new article on wake the dead.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2018/09/27/27th-sept-wake-the-dead-the-loregw-homepage-post-3/

Call it nit picking but even with a small side event such as this box set, why the feth does everything have to involve the zogging Ultramarines. You have six 1st founding chapters represented in the Space Marine Codex along with their countless numbers of successor chapters to use in your setting and yet Ultras are involved in basically every narrative event.

How many chapters they have PAINTED UP in the studio army? That's the question. Guess their painters are too busy painting other stuff to do other chapters in sufficient quantities.

I am under the impression that other forces tend to be personal armies of one of the staff, which are sometimes used if they are of sufficient quality.

looking carefully in the vanilla marine codex BTW, the codex has a raven guard army with reavers inceptors, and Intercessors, so had they wanted to they could have gone with raven guard.

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
It could have been any other chapter of space marines. Why did they have to go with Ultramarines? Now that the Ultramarines are there, there's zero conflict. GW would never have the blue boys lose.

*Eyeroll* yeah because the presence of Ultramarines at Cadia stopped Cadia from falling. Ultramarines suffer plenty of defeats (Honor and Iron for example had the third company suffer a devestating loss)

the ultramarines hate is getting old people

Maybe when their eye-roll inducing ubiquity in the setting tails off, so will the antipathy.

 sockwithaticket wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

drbored wrote:
It could have been any other chapter of space marines. Why did they have to go with Ultramarines? Now that the Ultramarines are there, there's zero conflict. GW would never have the blue boys lose.

*Eyeroll* yeah because the presence of Ultramarines at Cadia stopped Cadia from falling. Ultramarines suffer plenty of defeats (Honor and Iron for example had the third company suffer a devestating loss)

the ultramarines hate is getting old people

Maybe when their eye-roll inducing ubiquity in the setting tails off, so will the antipathy.

sure, proably because most of the hate for the Ultramarines are people doing it to be cool and contrary, basicly hipster 40kism.