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Backfire wrote: Am I the only one who much prefers original British Psylocke? I thought that ninja-Psylocke was lame, as if Siege Perilous had flattened her personality to two dimensions, and the Kwannon retcon made it ever more stupid.
Nope, you're not the only one. I vastly preferred the telepathic English model with the cybereyes to little miss psy-ninja. Ninjas had been overdone even back then.
Backfire wrote: Am I the only one who much prefers original British Psylocke? I thought that ninja-Psylocke was lame, as if Siege Perilous had flattened her personality to two dimensions, and the Kwannon retcon made it ever more stupid.
Nope, you're not the only one. I vastly preferred the telepathic English model with the cybereyes to little miss psy-ninja. Ninjas had been overdone even back then.
I liked 'em both
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Backfire wrote: Am I the only one who much prefers original British Psylocke? I thought that ninja-Psylocke was lame, as if Siege Perilous had flattened her personality to two dimensions, and the Kwannon retcon made it ever more stupid.
Nope, you're not the only one. I vastly preferred the telepathic English model with the cybereyes to little miss psy-ninja. Ninjas had been overdone even back then.
I liked 'em both
No worries. There's room in the world for people to like either version, or both. I was just stating my personal preferences.
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This is more comic book accurate. Except for Mystique being there. But yeah, we got a terribly done Dark Phoenix movie already. It was so bad that they had to time travel to retcon it and make sure it didn’t exist anymore!
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timetowaste85 wrote: This is more comic book accurate. Except for Mystique being there. But yeah, we got a terribly done Dark Phoenix movie already. It was so bad that they had to time travel to retcon it and make sure it didn’t exist anymore!
But in XMen Days of Future Past Wolverine is greeted by Jean Grey. . .
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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timetowaste85 wrote: This is more comic book accurate. Except for Mystique being there. But yeah, we got a terribly done Dark Phoenix movie already. It was so bad that they had to time travel to retcon it and make sure it didn’t exist anymore!
But in XMen Days of Future Past Wolverine is greeted by Jean Grey. . .
Right....in the altered timeline in which she DIDN'T go all crazy and kill everyone, forcing him to kill her. Only Logan remembers the "original" timeline.
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timetowaste85 wrote: This is more comic book accurate. Except for Mystique being there. But yeah, we got a terribly done Dark Phoenix movie already. It was so bad that they had to time travel to retcon it and make sure it didn’t exist anymore!
More accurate, yes, in the sense that Monty Python's The Holy Grail is a more accurate telling of Arthurian legend than First Knight...
I wouldn't say I was excited for it. But it's looking like it's going to be better than The Last Stand.
And they're keeping elements from the original comic too. The animated series looks like it's still going to be the perfect version of the saga (which, being a 5 part story in the show, roughly amounts to the length of 1 feature lengthed movie.)
They've got the Phoenix as an external force influencing her, which is already a big improvement over Last Stand.
If we then have Magneto and the nascent Brotherhood in place of the Shi'ar Royal Imperial Guard, that seems like a good fit.
As long as they sort of keep the theme that the X-Men's greatest strength is they're a family and Jean having agency in the ending with her doing the final act and making the choice to sacrifice herself. I think I'm going to be happy.
Ending scene:
-Phoenix is about to go goo goo and wipe out everyone.
-Scene blinks to a dying Thanos who snaps his fingers.
-Phoenix turns to dust.
-In a bar, Wolverine wakes up from a drunken stupor by Xavier calling to him mentally. His face contorts.
-Da Klaws come out.
-fade to black.
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Frazzled wrote: Ending scene:
-Phoenix is about to go goo goo and wipe out everyone.
-Scene blinks to a dying Thanos who snaps his fingers.
-Phoenix turns to dust.
-In a bar, Wolverine wakes up from a drunken stupor by Xavier calling to him mentally. His face contorts.
-Da Klaws come out.
-fade to black.
That would be a neat way to connect the X-verse with the MCU.
My only complaint is that Phoenix was supposed to be a universal force of life, death, and rebirth; probably punching a bit over Thanos' weight class even with the Gauntlet...
Lance845 wrote: There is no good way to connect the fox x men movies to the mcu. The mcu needs to do its own thing.
Since Disney now owns both, you can expect that sooner or later they will connect. I'd prefer MCU start over and do the characters from scratch, but I think Disney would expect X-fatigue to set in and therefore try to work them into the MCU as-is somehow.
Lance845 wrote: There is no good way to connect the fox x men movies to the mcu. The mcu needs to do its own thing.
Since Disney now owns both, you can expect that sooner or later they will connect. I'd prefer MCU start over and do the characters from scratch, but I think Disney would expect X-fatigue to set in and therefore try to work them into the MCU as-is somehow.
Disagree. The xmen that are 1) are already a certain age and dont have mcu style contracts. 2) a gak representation of thise characters that comes with at this point decades of plot inconsistency baggage. And 3) dont make any sense in the mcu.
I think disney will sit on them for a bit and then work them into the mcu with a new cast and new stories. It would ruin their shared universe to just dump what fox has done into their mix.
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Lance845 wrote: There is no good way to connect the fox x men movies to the mcu. The mcu needs to do its own thing.
Since Disney now owns both, you can expect that sooner or later they will connect. I'd prefer MCU start over and do the characters from scratch, but I think Disney would expect X-fatigue to set in and therefore try to work them into the MCU as-is somehow.
Disagree. The xmen that are 1) are already a certain age and dont have mcu style contracts. 2) a gak representation of thise characters that comes with at this point decades of plot inconsistency baggage. And 3) dont make any sense in the mcu.
I think disney will sit on them for a bit and then work them into the mcu with a new cast and new stories. It would ruin their shared universe to just dump what fox has done into their mix.
I certainly hope so. Starting over would work better.
I'm just worried they're feeling under pressure to get the X-Men up and running ASAP, because of the age of the Avenger actors...
Their continuity is the single most valuable thing they have. Letting bs happen because of "preasure" would be very uncharacteristic of them after a decade of proving what they do works.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
They've got the Phoenix as an external force influencing her, which is already a big improvement over Last Stand.
This is a retcon and really not part of the original story.
While comics do "retcon" a lot Marvel has never done a full on reboot. At which point it's a little less of a retcon and more a further revelation on the plot and events. Fact is the phoenix force is an external thing that does influence her. If they want to tell the phoenix story that is an element of it.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
Won't be seeing it in the theater that's for sure. Also committing one of the cardinal sins (super present in many super hero films): having no real enemy, or a poor one.
They've got the Phoenix as an external force influencing her, which is already a big improvement over Last Stand.
This is a retcon and really not part of the original story.
While comics do "retcon" a lot Marvel has never done a full on reboot. At which point it's a little less of a retcon and more a further revelation on the plot and events. Fact is the phoenix force is an external thing that does influence her. If they want to tell the phoenix story that is an element of it.
Does that make the original story unfaithful to the source material?
My point is, the original story is one in which the Phoenix being an external force is not an element of it. In fact, there's a character pivotal to the whole thing whose whole job is to actually be an external force that influences her.
I am saying in the original story them not SAYING the Phoenix is an external force does not mean that it is not an external force. And any person who is in the story explaining what is or is not anything can easily be 1) telling a lie or 2) ignorant. Future stories have clearly clarified that the Phoenix is in fact it's own external entity.
Another person sitting around influencing her can still be a thing either way. The nature of the Phoenix isn't important to whether or not somebody else is an influence.
These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason.
I'm more of a fan of the animated adaption than the initial story (because it gives Jean more agency at the end, if memory serves), which does have both the Hellfire club and the Phoenix as an external source.
Reviews are out. They are uniformly giving it horrible reviews.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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